(A Real) Ban Request: 205 P4

[Soad 39]

Ban Request - 205 P4

Date: From 10/13/10 onwards since he started using a ghosting account.

Server: Lotus Clan| Office 24/7 | West Coast

Game: Counter-Strike Source

Time: 10/13/10 onwards.

Explanation of the incident: See below.

Steam ID of 205 P4: STEAM_0:0:3186218

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Support List

Soad

Abominable Dr. Phibes

Conan The Libertarian

DrkEagle

Purek

Beast

Knusperkeks

Eclipse

Papa Ron

Cops In Your Computer

bTkLm

UBS

StrmDragon

Gnarkill

Toy Machine

...and many more members of the Lotus Clan CSS Beta community.

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I'm here to shake things up by bringing about a REAL ban request against the infamous 205 P4.

It has been noted many, many, many times that he uses a second account that sits in spectator while he plays, in order for him to know where everybody is.

Backstory

So we are all aware that 205 P4 and Beast used ghosting accounts to get their rank to their current status. They both live in Mesa, Arizona, they know each other in real life, and Beast formed the clan (Az) with 205 P4. Since they live 10 minutes away from each other and they were friends, they decided to share the same tactics. 205 P4 started using his high end laptop in order to have an advantage over the opposing team. He then encouraged beast to do the same, however beast did not own a second computer. 205 P4 took the initiative and purchased a low-end laptop off of Craigslist, and they were happily dominating the server.

This duo-ship did not last long as they had a "mutiny" and they became enemies. Ever since that, they would have their ghost accounts spectate each other in order to kill each other. A rivalry that pissed off the whole community as each team was getting obliterated by one ghoster on each team. These tactics took them to the top of the ranks. However, we all know Beast admitted to using a Ghost account after mounting pressure against him. This was after Beast left the clan he originally formed (Az) and made a new one to counter it. P4 didn't want to be challenged, so he kept trying to get Beast to crack, which he did.

Important Note

Its also interesting to see that the various (100's) aliases P4 used were inside jokes, some referencing 205 P4's in real life job of cleaning pools. This only FURTHER proves that the ghosting account, indeed, belongs to 205 P4

Examples:

acidwash165

calciumnogules

sandchange

All techniques used in the pool industry.

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Now, you can take everything above with a grain of salt, or believe it after you see the facts.

Lets Begin.

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ßέ۵ﮎ†: But do you see the irony behind it all?

ßέ۵ﮎ†: He shauned me

ßέ۵ﮎ†: like farted and pointed at me

ßέ۵ﮎ†: You know what I mean?

ßέ۵ﮎ†: He thought that the smell would leave with me... but he forgot about the stain he left behind.

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Firstly,

205 P4's ghosting account name » Hansenforhire » http://bit.ly/keFJ3V

Beast's ghosting account name » Thadius » http://bit.ly/k8Tcqr

Noobalizer has the same steam ID as Hansenforhire

Hansenforhire = Noobalizer + 192 Other Aliases

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Ghosting Spectator Argument

The following screenshots show an alias of Hansenforhire in spectator while 205 P4 is nearly always at the top.

I dominated P4 even when he had a ghoster in spec. Thats pretty sad.

No Beast in the picture below, only 205 P4.

The next screenshot doesn't have Beast in it. Fact is, its his account. Nobody can dispute this.

"Beast?" *Crickets* "205 P4?" "Present!" "205 P4's Ghoster?" "Present!"

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Kill Death Ratio Dramatic Rise Argument

This is 205 P4's scores the month preceding 10/13/10.

The red line denotes the start of 10/13/10 and when he started the ghost account and began to get comfortable with it, hence the rising KDR.

This is 205 P4's scores AFTER 10/13/10.

All scores above 3.0 were highlighted, hence he was very comfortable and had the tactics laid out.

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Ping and Latency Discrepancy Argument

Ping is a very important aspect to look at.

Now, you can see they are about 10-20 ms apart. He has a laptop and a desktop.

There are many ways to create a discrepancy between the latency of both accounts.

Examples:

1. Low-end CPU

2. Low-end GPU

3. Worse connection to the internet from one computer and a better connection from the other.

4. Better netcard on one computer, a worse one on the other.

5. Spoofing the ping by sending fake packets.

6. Tricking the game into sending messages to the server faster than normal.

7. Uploading/Downloading a little on one computer to distort the ping.

8. Enabling many firewalls on one computer, and no firewall on the other one.

205 P4 is decently knowledgeable in computers and would have no trouble doing any of the above.

Every single one of these examples are very easy to do. 205 P4 can't hide behind the ping argument now.

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Full list of all his ghosting aliases: http://stats.lotuscl.../aliases/773382

Final Notes: Tell me, why would someone have an account with 193 aliases, little to no actual playtime, in spectator nearly everytime you play, located in the same city as you?

The facts point to themselves, everyone.

Before you can claim that the account belongs to Beast, you can easily cross-reference the spectator name with each corresponding account (Noobalizer = P4, Thadius = Beast)

Also, checking the IP logs of Noobalizer and Thadius, then comparing them with 205 P4's and Beast's IP addresses are a sure-fire way of validating my claims.

For example: 205 P4 and Beast are on opposite teams. Two spectators are ingame, Buba and Orion.

[(205 P4) Buba = Noobalizer] [(Beast) Orion = Thadius]

There is no going around the facts, people.

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To the admins: I hope you make the right decision in banning 205 P4 for his usage of a ghosting account to have an edge over the enemy.

Signing off,

Soad

[Abominable Dr. Phibes 6]

We all knew it but i'm glad someone finally stepped up to the plate and took the time to put out proof.

P4...prepare to shake in your boots.

[ConanTheLibertarian 3]

This looks open and shut to me. A person who sinks to these ends for a competitive edge in a video game is pathetic. This makes me so sick I need to grab my Sports Illustrated and take a P4.

[DrkEagle 15]

I don't play CS, but Soad, fucking great job lol! (I'm actually listening System of a Down and was before I came to the forums just now, ironic? Or does your name mean something else?!)

[Soad 39]

I don't play CS, but Soad, fucking great job lol! (I'm actually listening System of a Down and was before I came to the forums just now, ironic? Or does your name mean something else?!)

Thank you. I have had the nick "Soad" for FPS's since I started UT2004 and yes, I used it originally because it stands for System of a Down.

[Papa Ron 1]

NO HE DIDNT! LMAO!

[JustmytwoCents 0]

i thought he was that good, if its true its phatetic.

[Voltazar 3]

I have known p4 even before there was a beta server, when he still used to play on lotus texas on css(i prefer to on there rather than the beta for clear reasons) as far as i noticed, p4 just had a lot of time on his hands and his rank was understood because of the time he put into the server.... its going to be a huge blow if p4 gets banned. I remember, i have been playing on the beta server for probably a few days only and p4 invited me to join his clan and i joined him becuase just because i could trust him. (p4 will not betray) I hope this ban does not go through... without p4, server will not be the same.

[205 P4 12]

Sent 17 June 2011 - 07:16 PM

Hey my brother and I recently got a server up and thought it would be a cool place to have a scrim between the two clans this weekend (sat or sun, pref. sun).

Not sure how many you can get online but my guess for my clan is that we can get eclipse, soad, conan, ronimus, guilty, michael, corvus, mobius one and possibly beast if hes online and ONLY if there are no spectators.

So a total of 9-10 players which may be unlikely though.

Hopefully a minimum of six players though, your clan is slightly larger so you could easily get the neccessary troops.

Our server has Sv pure ON meaning no texture hacks can be used. Ping and lag is considerably less than lotus, average ping I see is 30-70 and I personally get 50 ping. We would be playing office or dust2.

My clanmates are down, what do you think?

Soad .......are you that mad soad that I didnt except the scrim with you guys..and do you really think Im that stupid too leave those screen shots up if I knew they would incrimminate me in any way. You are a little boy in a mans world, time to grow up and except the reality that I dont cheat. Oh and I like how you got all ur clan mates to post after you aswell...classic move..but fail none the less. OH btw have you seen the stats lately? My kdr hasnt changed a bit since the supposive ghost account were banned, if anything they got better because beast was banned and I dont have to contend with his bs. GET REAL DUDE!! NIce post tho , looks like you put alot of time and effort into it, to no avail.

[Soad 39]

I have known p4 even before there was a beta server, when he still used to play on lotus texas on css(i prefer to on there rather than the beta for clear reasons) as far as i noticed, p4 just had a lot of time on his hands and his rank was understood because of the time he put into the server.... its going to be a huge blow if p4 gets banned. I remember, i have been playing on the beta server for probably a few days only and p4 invited me to join his clan and i joined him becuase just because i could trust him. (p4 will not betray) I hope this ban does not go through... without p4, server will not be the same.

Thanks for your opinion, however, it holds no merit when we are talking about banning someone with substantial evidence of hardcore ghosting. What you said has nothing to do with anything I posted, and I highly disagree with your last point. When P4 joins, he always starts shit with Scout Master, getting everyone to voteban and pretty much making a huge flamewar.

Sent 17 June 2011 - 07:16 PM

Hey my brother and I recently got a server up and thought it would be a cool place to have a scrim between the two clans this weekend (sat or sun, pref. sun).

Not sure how many you can get online but my guess for my clan is that we can get eclipse, soad, conan, ronimus, guilty, michael, corvus, mobius one and possibly beast if hes online and ONLY if there are no spectators.

So a total of 9-10 players which may be unlikely though.

Hopefully a minimum of six players though, your clan is slightly larger so you could easily get the neccessary troops.

Our server has Sv pure ON meaning no texture hacks can be used. Ping and lag is considerably less than lotus, average ping I see is 30-70 and I personally get 50 ping. We would be playing office or dust2.

My clanmates are down, what do you think?

Soad .......are you that mad soad that I didnt except the scrim with you guys..and do you really think Im that stupid too leave those screen shots up if I knew they would incrimminate me in any way. You are a little boy in a mans world, time to grow up and except the reality that I dont cheat. Oh and I like how you got all ur clan mates to post after you aswell...classic move..but fail none the less. OH btw have you seen the stats lately? My kdr hasnt changed a bit since the supposive ghost account were banned, if anything they got better because beast was banned and I dont have to contend with his bs. GET REAL DUDE!! NIce post tho , looks like you put alot of time and effort into it, to no avail.

Everything I crossed out is irrelevant. Nice job pulling a Michelle Bachmann and COMPLETELY talking about something else, and avoiding the question. To be honest, I couldn't care less if you didn't want to scrim, it further proves that you don't even deserve to play a real clan.

All you need to do is explain why there is an account (Noobalizer), with 193 aliases, no actual playtime, spectating for 9 days+, connects from your city of Mesa, Arizona, and is always in spectator when you play.

Heres the thing, you can't explain it. You can keep walking around the edge, but sooner or later you'll slip and fall.

"You are a little boy in a mans world"

What does this even mean in the context? From our posts, it seems like the world is reversed.

"Except the reality that I dont cheat"

I do not believe you have any credibility to defend yourself without evidence, as your credibility has been tarnished by message after message of your former and current clanmates claiming that you are fishy/ghosting/hacking.

Of course, the incredible amount of evidence I have against you is enough to knock over any weight you have left.

On your stats, I'm sure Knusperkeks can do a better job of explaining how your stats incriminate you, and I won't get into it.

You completely avoided the question though, good job.

For an adult, I expected you to be able to put up a strong defence, however, I was mistaken.

[purek 0]

Keep in mind to ban the entire AZ team, as it's really hard to belive that they don't do it either.

I'm still wondering why P4 is not banned...

[Soad 39]

Updated with template.

[Krash 1,040]

He got ya P4, just admit it.

A+ Soad, excellent job.

[Soad 39]

He got ya P4, just admit it.

A+ Soad, excellent job.

Thank you. Just like to add that Beast provided many of the screenshots and backstory.

[205 P4 12]

Admit what? that isnt my account, just because you see a spectator in there when I am there, doesnt mean its mine! Mr beast came out and even chatted on this ghost account,,lol check the chat logs. Certain people have multiple accounts like beast and scout master and mutiple computers aswell. I happend to be loged on and playing at the time that ghost account was on, but it wasnt.. and doesnt mean it was mine! Dont you think it possible to log a ghost account on and the player who owns the ghost account might not be logged on yet , or maybe even already logged off. It makes no sence to me that you are letting soad dictate what goes on in the lotus server and now here in the forums, He obvioulsy is colaberating with beast in a massive effort to try and get me banned! Mr. beast probably had multiple accounts and the one that soad is trying to pin on me is his aswell. Again my daily KDR has not changed since those account were banned, along with beast and here is the proof http://stats.lotusclan.com/player_histories/sessions/484644 Wouldnt it be wise to assume that ones game might change KDR wise if he was not able to utilize some kind of cheating account! You guys do the math..the proof is there. Banning me would be unjust and just wrong!!

[Voltazar 3]

That was what i was trying to say also, p4 gameplay is still the same gameplay. (i have known p4 since before beta server exist)... there is nothing new. You will not be surprised because p4 does not need ghosting account and still play well. Report cannot be valid anymore.

[205 P4 12]

I think its pretty funny how I just went into the server and wrecked inh and company And guess what they started trying to ban oblivious who was spec..assuming I was using him as a ghost...again. I took a screen shot for those who want to have a look. I went 34 and 7 = 5.0 kdr plus in a matter of minutes against some good players as u will see them in the screen shot. I am have proved over and over again that I am legit. Have a good day

[Soad 39]

I think its pretty funny how I just went into the server and wrecked inh and company And guess what they started trying to ban oblivious who was spec..assuming I was using him as a ghost...again. I took a screen shot for those who want to have a look. I went 34 and 7 = 5.0 kdr plus in a matter of minutes against some good players as u will see them in the screen shot. I am have proved over and over again that I am legit. Have a good day

You left right after we joined. By the way after you left it was two inh versus 5 az, they started camping as ct's and nadespamming like no other.

Facts are still there people.

Just answer this: All you need to do is explain why there is an account (Noobalizer), with 193 aliases, no actual playtime, spectating for 9 days+, connects from your city of Mesa, Arizona, and is always in spectator when you play.

[Abominable Dr. Phibes 6]

Admit what? that isnt my account, just because you see a spectator in there when I am there, doesnt mean its mine! Mr beast came out and even chatted on this ghost account,,lol check the chat logs. Certain people have multiple accounts like beast and scout master and mutiple computers aswell. I happend to be loged on and playing at the time that ghost account was on, but it wasnt.. and doesnt mean it was mine! Dont you think it possible to log a ghost account on and the player who owns the ghost account might not be logged on yet , or maybe even already logged off. It makes no sence to me that you are letting soad dictate what goes on in the lotus server and now here in the forums, He obvioulsy is colaberating with beast in a massive effort to try and get me banned! Mr. beast probably had multiple accounts and the one that soad is trying to pin on me is his aswell. Again my daily KDR has not changed since those account were banned, along with beast and here is the proof http://stats.lotuscl...sessions/484644 Wouldnt it be wise to assume that ones game might change KDR wise if he was not able to utilize some kind of cheating account! You guys do the math..the proof is there. Banning me would be unjust and just wrong!!

You're not so much of a man now are you p4...Admit it...

Soad and Beast pulled down your pants in front of all of the girls at recess and they are laughing at what they see.

[beast 4]

just because you hold your kdr up doesn't make a valid point at all... you have probably found a way to utilze your "sons" account http://stats.lotusclan.com/playerinfo/494834 to your favor...you STACK teams and rush the shitty team. This tactic will for sure give you a advantage of not losing points or kdr. Soad even covered the one base you could coward to in your self defense.. the "It was Beast's acct" due to the fact he has eviedence of both of us playing at same time while 2 spectators are are in ghost mode (mine and yours) , he also has evidence showing just you logged into the server with only YOUR ghost acct logged on w/o Beast or his Ghost acct logged on...as far as your kdr goes, its not hard to maintain if you stack, but i notice on your dot graph you aint been racking up those 700+ point sessions anymore prior to the june 1 dates in which i was banned and exploited our ghosting stradegy. Only reason why all this happened is because you wanted to be ZUES king god of olympus...(what a ego) fact is your busted soad has substantial evidence linking you with YOUR ghost acct many times over... since ive been banned along with my ghost acct , it's only justice for P4 and his ghost acct to be banned aswell! The forums is a place in which pull , popularity, and reputation has no more weight than the truth, integrity, and justice ! banning P4 and his ghost acct will prove to all players of lotus that this staff commitee of lotus isn't BIAS and don't discriminate against anybody due to popularity..and in which case P4 doesn't get banned then i ask you lift the ban on me for ghosting.

You left right after we joined. By the way after you left it was two inh versus 5 az, they started camping as ct's and nadespamming like no other.

Facts are still there people.

Just answer this: All you need to do is explain why there is an account (Noobalizer), with 193 aliases, no actual playtime, spectating for 9 days+, connects from your city of Mesa, Arizona, and is always in spectator when you play.

hence stacked teams, 5az vs 2inh.. camping as ct's nadespamming.. hmm that would fall under stacking. Let me ask you this on that "screenshot" you took of you like 30+ and 7.. how many other team mates of yours on your team had good scores? more importantly how many players on the opping team (unstacked team) averag above a 1.0KDR? as for soads question above.. let me have the liberty of answering that for him as only he and I know the real truth. *193 aliases , because you cant log on to the same server for 7+hrs at a time under one name that never plays and is always in spec without people noticeing and creating a reputaion with that name (i.e. like bofa27 who everyone knows goes afk forever) *no actual playtime, because you only have two hands silly... its impossible to play on two accts at the samt time..*spectating for 9 days+, because if it aint broke dont fix it, also if you dig back and see when that 9day+ trend started to occur and croos refrence with P4 online stats you will see a IMPOSSIBLE increase of KDR (kill death ratio) KNUSPERKEKS can further explain this stat change... *connects from mesa, AZ and in spec everytime you play, because it's a laptop he uses right in front of him while he plays... lets get one thing straight... nobody is accusing him of hacking... his skill level along with his hpk suggest a shitty mid grade player... if you look at the KDR ratio and survived round columm, that will tell the story as it's a bi-product of knowing the positions of everyone evrytime.. "the all knowing" as we would call it... ALL EVIDENCE POINT THAT P4 GHOST WHICH IS A BANABLE OFFENSE SINCE I'VE BEEN BANNED FOR IT!

[KnusperKeks 7]

Good day ladies and gentlemen ,

1. This account is definatly a ghosting account, there is not even a shred of doubt.

2. It has the same ping and its from Mesa Arizona

3. It is NOT beasts account i checked beasts playtime and it doesnt fit at all with that account ( he didnt play for 2 weeks while this account was constantly on)

I wanna point out something different and mayby u guys can help me explain something:

Somebody start playing this game and hes doing ok (Average KDR 1.6) he has that KDR for 5!! mounth(16.04.2010-11.10.2010) from that time on his KDR increasing dramaticaly infact its going to an average of 3 (12.10.2010-28.06.2010). Which means he would improve 100% within 4 weeks.......no further Questions ur honor .

Of course everybody has good days and bad days but this is impossible. ( Little sidenote if ur performance would change only by 25% league admins will start watching ur demos EVERY time u submit them(after every game u play) We talking here about an increase of 100%.

Second thing i want to add and this will mayby prevent some douchebags keep cheating.

I had cpl of times a Friend connected to the server to spec certain ppl.....he disconnected after only 15 minutes with the following words "Der halbe Server hat ja an loel...ich wuerd die ersten drei CTs sofort bannen, die sind ja mal super auffaellig." which is german for "half the server is cheating lol....i would ban the first 3 instantly, its so obvious" This guy watches demos every day it is his job, he gets money for this (ESL league Admin, EAS and EPS) After that i start recording Demos every time i play...i targeted 8 players especially "Reno"(Vacbanned) "B1" (Banned) P4 and some more.

I have no problem with getting killed but sometimes it comes down to one simple thing...Some players did things on this server which the best players in the world couldnt do...then u spec them and they cant even shoot with an Ak properly and they dont know any spots(when i connected to the server who would cover double window from elbow? who would sit in the plant between the hostages? who would sit on the LEFT side of the double window?......noone. Every really good player knows theese spots....(but the "Get it done fraction" didnt know them).Now of course everyone sits there

U guys have a sweet day

BTW...that demos and cheating post as a warning....i thought some ppl would realize that i suspect something and would stop...but I was stupid to think so

[Eclipse 2]

Why are you diverting from the point of this thread and posting irrelevant arguments p4?

Beast and Soad nailed it.

We got that Charlie Sheen swag 'cause we're winninggg.

[Soad 39]

Expanding on what Knusperkeks posted and adding pictures to make it easy to see:

We all know people have their off days and good days and whatnot, but generally people stay around the same kdr for atleast 2 months. You won't find someone playing 5 months with 2KDR then suddenly 3 days into October getting 3.0+'s and dominating everyone.

Because Beast knows P4 in real life and they used the same tactics, with P4 encouraging beast to get a ghosting account, its now known that 205 P4 started ghosting around 10/13/10. October 13th 2010.

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This is 205 P4's scores the month or so preceding 10/13/10.

The red line denotes the start of 10/13/10 and when he started the ghost account and began to get comfortable with it, hence the rising KDR.

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This is 205 P4's scores AFTER 10/13/10

All scores above 3.0 were highlighted, hence he was very comfortable and had the tactics laid out.

[Papa Ron 1]

P4. admit it. lol, ur a lier.!

[205 P4 12]

This will be my last reply on this post, I have been playing office for about 8 years now. 2 of those years I have spent right here in lotus. Now I have always been about a 2.0 player, up until mana started the beta office server, and removed awps and autos, which I believe he did around the said time of my increase in KDR. My latency has went down half of what it was on texas server and I made some certain upgrades to my pc aswell,which has improved my game in every way shape and form.I am a pure rusher as you all know, actually the best rusher in lotus, wether Im on t or ct, it doesnt matter. A good player will study certain players habbits that are known to be good players and will learn their habbits in office. I play alot in here and I can tell u exactly what the good players will do ,where they will be ,wether they are on ct or t. Its not hard to figure out. Combine all of those together and YES some players will improve their game, and I am 1 of those players. It has been a month since beast and the 2 accounts were banned and I have improved my game by atleast a 1.0 kdr and Im only getting better. So what I guess Im trying to say is that..PEOPLE CAN IMPROVE!! by making adjustments in there game play. And I am proof of that..Oh and btw .. I was number 1 before mana reset the stats the last time, that he can tell you..anyways thats it..I will not waste anymore time defending something I did not do. Do what you need to do lotus..peace