#1 Player?

[The Fair Gamer 1]

So I was playing on Palermo the other night, and kept getting killed by rifle grenades by someone in spawn. I was confused, so I decided to spectate the person that killed me. I watched in amazement as this guy would spawn, shoot two rifle grenades, change classes, shoot two more, and repeat. I thought people should know about this because no one wants to play on a server with someone like this. I do more research, then I find out that "Careful With That Axe, Eugene" is the number 1 player on the server!! No wonder. If this is how he plays then he'll never die. It is funny though he still had 1 death. Here is the video:

Let me know what you guys think...

[Krash 1,040]

While its a perfectly legitimate strategy, it is quite douchey.

Sorry bro you'll have to deal w/ it. He isnt doing anything wrong.

[MagillaGorilla 1]

Yea I've seen him a lot, he said he's trying to get his kdr up. Sucks but he usually doesn't get me with his nades haha. He is so used to people bitching at him for it that he has a bind now saying "I'm sincerely sorry for spawn camping you"

[James Tyrgglidaar Quall 69 0]

ahahahahahha

Why exactly is this considered a legitimate strategy when you can't spam flag captures??

Both cases exploit the point system :/

[Bombz 31]

So I was playing on Palermo the other night, and kept getting killed by rifle grenades by someone in spawn. I was confused, so I decided to spectate the person that killed me. I watched in amazement as this guy would spawn, shoot two rifle grenades, change classes, shoot two more, and repeat. I thought people should know about this because no one wants to play on a server with someone like this. I do more research, then I find out that "Careful With That Axe, Eugene" is the number 1 player on the server!! No wonder. If this is how he plays then he'll never die. It is funny though he still had 1 death. Here is the video:

Let me know what you guys think...

In a cumulative points setup you have to take rankings based off of points with a grain of salt, as well as the KPD. As you can see, this guy is most likely not the #1 player, but is instead gaming the stats system.

[Panda 7]

In a cumulative points setup you have to take rankings based off of points with a grain of salt, as well as the KPD. As you can see, this guy is most likely not the #1 player, but is instead gaming the stats system.

Eugene is far from the number 1 player. He should be DQ'ed from the stats page.

[Bombz 31]

Eugene is far from the number 1 player. He should be DQ'ed from the stats page.

True, but I mean it goes across the board, really. The rankings descend based on total points. Points are earned from playing, so the more time played, the higher the points. The trouble with using a sliding points system is people get angry when they lose points, and it'd just encourage people to game the system even more than the KPD statistics do.

[mr mosin 2]

yea, sadly, I've played with him. So many times, he just lands somewhere and sets up a fricken tent city.

Actually it would be nice if admins could put notes about the player in their profile, like... if they are a jerk or not, or camper... that way people could get an idea of their playing style.

Eugene is far from the number 1 player. He should be DQ'ed from the stats page.

OMG

It's a fat-young-ginger-richard-simmons!

[James Tyrgglidaar Quall 69 0]

True, but I mean it goes across the board, really. The rankings descend based on total points. Points are earned from playing, so the more time played, the higher the points. The trouble with using a sliding points system is people get angry when they lose points, and it'd just encourage people to game the system even more than the KPD statistics do.

I can't believe im sperging out about this but i guess i got nothing better to do.

go to the stats page here http://stats.lotusclan.com/players/dods

click on "time" this will sort the players by time

as of this post, you need about 18.7k points to be in the top 50 pointwise and 15.5k to be in the top 100

I don't feel like actually counting but from a quick glance i'd say about half of the 50 people with the most play time don't make the top 50, and probably about a tenth don't make the top 100.

you need about 10 days of play time to be in the top 50 of people who've played the longest, 6 days 5 hours to be in the top 100

10 people in the top 50 point wise aren't in the top 100 of play time, and 24 people don't make the top 50 (including the previous ten).

So while you're right on some level, people with real skill definitely get more points those who suck quick, enough to make up for the play time. Obviously people exploiting the system offset any sort of real statistical analysis.

And obviously a high KPD will get you to the top much much faster than any length of play time so im not even gonna delve into that one.

So the point system works as long as people don't exploit it like this. Or, if people with high points have to play with people with no points, cause you lose them fast (but this server pretty much fixed that with only losing half the points someone gains). Other servers you'd lose 25 points a death, and only get 2 points a kill. some servers had no multikill bonus and so your only option was to get a ton of flag caps or kill 13 people a round. So what i'm trying to say is stat system good. exploit bad. girl good. wife bad.

[jrdbrn 13]

Why is Eugene still allowed to play the way he does?

Spawn > Shoot 2 nades > Respawn > Shoot 2 nades > Respawn > Shoot 2 nades > Respawn > Shoot 2 nades > Respawn > Shoot 2 nades > Respawn... all map long. He was 27-0 doing this.

He is nade spamming from his protected spawn. It should be against the "rules".

[Krash 1,040]

Why is Eugene still allowed to play the way he does?

Spawn > Shoot 2 nades > Respawn > Shoot 2 nades > Respawn > Shoot 2 nades > Respawn > Shoot 2 nades > Respawn > Shoot 2 nades > Respawn... all map long. He was 27-0 doing this.

He is nade spamming from his protected spawn. It should be against the "rules".

I said what i said before (second post) before i played DODS often, and before i learned the game dynamics. So forget that.

I think he should have a temp ban, or something. Because whiles its not really against the rules, its still chicken shit.

[Bombz 31]

I can't believe im sperging out about this but i guess i got nothing better to do.

go to the stats page here http://stats.lotusclan.com/players/dods

click on "time" this will sort the players by time

as of this post, you need about 18.7k points to be in the top 50 pointwise and 15.5k to be in the top 100

I don't feel like actually counting but from a quick glance i'd say about half of the 50 people with the most play time don't make the top 50, and probably about a tenth don't make the top 100.

you need about 10 days of play time to be in the top 50 of people who've played the longest, 6 days 5 hours to be in the top 100

10 people in the top 50 point wise aren't in the top 100 of play time, and 24 people don't make the top 50 (including the previous ten).

So while you're right on some level, people with real skill definitely get more points those who suck quick, enough to make up for the play time. Obviously people exploiting the system offset any sort of real statistical analysis.

And obviously a high KPD will get you to the top much much faster than any length of play time so im not even gonna delve into that one.

So the point system works as long as people don't exploit it like this. Or, if people with high points have to play with people with no points, cause you lose them fast (but this server pretty much fixed that with only losing half the points someone gains). Other servers you'd lose 25 points a death, and only get 2 points a kill. some servers had no multikill bonus and so your only option was to get a ton of flag caps or kill 13 people a round. So what i'm trying to say is stat system good. exploit bad. girl good. wife bad.

Well of course if you're completely awful at the game or play classes which don't get many points you won't keep pace with someone of higher skill playing a point munching class the same amount of time. But that doesn't mean that the points are all about skill, either. Assuming everyone plays the exact same amount you can rely on the stats. But of course you can't rely on that and the ranks by default are based on points and not points for time played.

[DoD Ez 0]

Agree!

Eugene is far from the number 1 player. He should be DQ'ed from the stats page.

Is there a better Stat system the server could use? It looks like this server uses GameMe stats. Is there a better one that could be put in place?

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[Krash 1,040]

Is there a better Stat system the server could use? It looks like this server uses GameMe stats. Is there a better one that could be put in place?

No, were not gonna switch stats. But there must be a SM plugin that restricts grenade use until you leave spawn. Something like how you cant throw explosives in L4D2 saferooms.

[Worm 0]

Props to you quail 69... even though you headshot me a million times I still enjoy gaming with you... oh and hello people on the forums. it's like talking to aliens from another world. Hello I come in peace or in pieces either way....

Uhm to add to the topic about eugene, I used to not mind him camping because he was helping with the game but lately it's gotten out of hand as far as spamming nades from spawn, and keeping the mg warm at first flag. I'm sure he would drop a few points if he actually played a few rounds....also look at the accuracy tab in lotus stats.. Careful with that axe eugene is rank 6,528 with 6% accuracy

Edited April 9, 2011 by Worm

[Greenscum 0]

You are all wasting your breath. Eugene is a donator and as such nothing will be done. They don't care that he's exploiting (guess what? that's cheating) as long as he pony's up his 5 bucks a month along with the rest of the green names he can do whatever the fuck he wants. I challenge anyone of you to start behaving in the same fashion and see what happens. I'm sure it would be a hilarious lesson in hypocrisy.

[Ommand 2]

Use a sourcemod plugin (I'm not familiar with such a plugin, I can't imagine it would be complicated) to put a limit on how often players can switch to spectate. This would also prevent people from circumventing the auto balancer.

[jrdbrn 13]

You are all wasting your breath. Eugene is a donator and as such nothing will be done. They don't care that he's exploiting (guess what? that's cheating) as long as he pony's up his 5 bucks a month along with the rest of the green names he can do whatever the fuck he wants. I challenge anyone of you to start behaving in the same fashion and see what happens. I'm sure it would be a hilarious lesson in hypocrisy.

He can still be temp banned, which occurred last week.

No one likes his game play and it showed with a ban on a full 34 man server.

[Krash 1,040]

You are all wasting your breath. Eugene is a donator and as such nothing will be done. They don't care that he's exploiting (guess what? that's cheating) as long as he pony's up his 5 bucks a month along with the rest of the green names he can do whatever the fuck he wants. I challenge anyone of you to start behaving in the same fashion and see what happens. I'm sure it would be a hilarious lesson in hypocrisy.

Donors get banned quite often. And those who donate and get permanent bans don't get their money back. We don't go easy on anyone just cause they gave us $5 bucks (as you say).