Stacked Teams...

[WRYYY 0]

Hai, I've been playing on the Arena Chicago server for some time now and I've been noticing most good players that know each other (and know what to do in Arena maps) tend to pick the team which is more convenient to them in order to win and thus letting the other team get filled by "newcomers".

This is happening too often lately when there's a change of map, these "skilled" players tend to wait for the teams to fill up and just pick whether seems more convenient to them, sadly most of the times the teams composed by the guys who know what to do tend to win, while the other team gets filled with spies/snipers (not very useful in Arena, at least not when you have 4 spies and 5 snipers on one team) and get humilliated every round... so I was wondering if we could get a plugin or something that would votescramble automatically after three consecutive rounds won by one team?

I hope it doesn't sound like I'm whining or anything but it'd really make the server better. If it can't be done well I guess I'll just have to stop picking "random team".

Thanks in advance.

[Victoreem the V of doom 30]

sorry but if you look around for about a min you'll find a dozen other threads just like this so I'll tell you where this is going.

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2nd reply: LOL QUIT WHININ AND BE A MAN!! LOLOLOLOl

3rd: WAI TO BE CIVILISED ABOOT ET NOTHINGS GONA HAIPEN

4th: QUEEEEERRRRRRR!!!!

5th: spdr

Mana's post: I'll THROW IN A TEAM SWITCH LOCK ROFL!!!!!!

6th +: random off topic pictures and topics posted by yours truly.

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you brought this on yourself and everyone here. hope your happy

[Mana 3,867]

I meant to change back our Arena servers to the queue system a while ago. Especially now that we also have a 24 player Arena server where no extra plugin is needed to allow everyone to play.

But I guess since it needed an updated plugin for the 33 player server, I never got around to it.

The only reason I switched the server to non-queue system was because it didn't require an extra plugin to let everyone play.

I will look into this soon.

EDIT3:

OK, queue system does not work very well, especially on 33 player server, Valve didn't think it through. Bots have issues with it, players get to sit out a bit too often. Saw 7 players sitting out after a map load when there was time during round start to put them into play.

So I have replicated the other features from the queue into the non-queue game-play mode. This includes auto-scrambling after a team reaches X wins. Which is anywhere between 3 to 5. I haven't decided on it yet.

EDIT2:

It is now default arena, with the queue system and scramble. We'll try this out and see how it goes.

EDIT:

Probably won't have it for now, it still has a crash issue:

#1 0xf3ed976a in CTFGameRules::CountActivePlayers ()

from /home/srcds/orangebox/tf/bin/server.so

#2 0xf3ed8f91 in CTFGameRules::Arena_RunTeamLogic ()

from /home/srcds/orangebox/tf/bin/server.so

#3 0xee570712 in Arena_RunTeamLogicClass::Arena_RunTeamLogic ()

from /home/srcds/orangebox/tf/addons/sourcemod/extensions/runteamlogic.ext.so

#4 0xf3ed960d in CTFGameRules::RoundRespawn ()

from /home/srcds/orangebox/tf/bin/server.so

#5 0xf3e9dcb9 in CTeamplayRoundBasedRules::State_Enter_PREROUND ()

from /home/srcds/orangebox/tf/bin/server.so

#6 0xf3e99d21 in CTeamplayRoundBasedRules::State_Enter ()

from /home/srcds/orangebox/tf/bin/server.so

#7 0xf3e9f8d7 in CTeamplayRoundBasedRules::State_Think_TEAM_WIN ()

from /home/srcds/orangebox/tf/bin/server.so

#8 0xf3ea0c40 in CTeamplayRoundBasedRules::Think ()

from /home/srcds/orangebox/tf/bin/server.so

#9 0xf3edd731 in CTFGameRules::Think ()

from /home/srcds/orangebox/tf/bin/server.so

#10 0xf4497e3f in GameStartFrame () from /home/srcds/orangebox/tf/bin/server.so

#11 0xf41de371 in CServerGameDLL::GameFrame ()

[WRYYY 0]

Yeah well I don't exactly know how to quote on this forum but thanks Mana! :3

P.S: Couldn't you make it three/four rounds? Or is it asking too much?

[Mana 3,867]

Yeah well I don't exactly know how to quote on this forum but thanks Mana! :3

P.S: Couldn't you make it three/four rounds? Or is it asking too much?

As I said in my previous post, I'm still deciding on it.

[kammy 2]

I would like to put some input on this new scramble. Personally, I always do auto-assign when choosing a team because i honestly don't care whether I'm on the losing or winning side. What I do care about is when I have a nice group of guys that stick together as a team or a nice heavy/soldier-medic pair and people who have interesting or funny conversations. I lose both of these with every scramble. The newly scrambled team also doesn't have a properly distributed class loadout because the guys are already setup for their previous teams. So the ensueing battle just turns into a mess of classes. I also don't get to stick with friends whether or not we're on the losing team.

Don't we already have a server that scrambles every few rounds? Do we really need another one? I thought that was why so many regulars play on this server. Because they thought a lot of the queu rules sucked.

It's not like we don't have scrambling at all. That situation is what votescramble is for. If the entire other team is not having fun then the vote will pass.

[Mana 3,867]

Don't we already have a server that scrambles every few rounds?

Which server would that be?

[kammy 2]

Which server would that be?

Oh, well I remember we used to have two arena servers. Thought we still had it. Still saids we have two on the steam community group.

[Mana 3,867]

Oh, well I remember we used to have two arena servers. At least I remember playing on the second one. Still saids we have one on the steam community group.

That one didn't live long at all. It's been gone for ages. And it was an exact copy of the main arena server, except no crits/lower player count.

[kammy 2]

That one didn't live long at all. It's been gone for ages. And it was an exact copy of the main arena server, except no crits/lower player count.

I remember it scrambling teams though. But regardless, I gave my argument for no scramble.

[Mana 3,867]

I would like to put some input on this new scramble. Personally, I always do auto-assign when choosing a team because i honestly don't care whether I'm on the losing or winning side. What I do care about is when I have a nice group of guys that stick together as a team or a nice heavy/soldier-medic pair and people who have interesting or funny conversations. I lose both of these with every scramble. The newly scrambled team also doesn't have a properly distributed class loadout because the guys are already setup for their previous teams. So the ensueing battle just turns into a mess of classes. I also don't get to stick with friends whether or not we're on the losing team.

By default, all arena servers scramble when one team reaches 3 wins. So during those 3-6 rounds after scramble, people can change classes if they want to .

[WRYYY 0]

I would like to put some input on this new scramble. Personally, I always do auto-assign when choosing a team because i honestly don't care whether I'm on the losing or winning side. What I do care about is when I have a nice group of guys that stick together as a team or a nice heavy/soldier-medic pair and people who have interesting or funny conversations. I lose both of these with every scramble. The newly scrambled team also doesn't have a properly distributed class loadout because the guys are already setup for their previous teams. So the ensueing battle just turns into a mess of classes. I also don't get to stick with friends whether or not we're on the losing team.

Don't we already have a server that scrambles every few rounds? Do we really need another one? I thought that was why so many regulars play on this server. Because they thought a lot of the queu rules sucked.

It's not like we don't have scrambling at all. That situation is what votescramble is for. If the entire other team is not having fun then the vote will pass.

I understand you play there since a long time and know many of those who have a mike and enjoy talking with them, but, it really fucks up the game, a votescramble after three rounds sometimes does nothing and sometimes makes a big difference. I think it's a big selfish to let the other team be humilliated while you just talk with your buddies, I mainly play on this Lotus Arena server because the others make you wait and I think this votescrambling system after three rounds was the best thing to do. Sadly, when you are on the losing team, it's not like I can ask people who go sniper or spy to change class, I mean, one tries, but most don't listen, they just don't care to be first blooded after five seconds, they don't understand how the whole arena mechanism work so I can't blame them and neither can I stop them from playing the classes they like, but I think I have the right not to have to stand losing every round just because they "don't care", so a votescramble goes well to all, except I guess the guys who talk on the mike or feel the need to play on a team with buddies.

So what you are suggesting is go back to the roots, no autoscramble, just typing votescramble when things get tough and praying the winning team to not vote against it?

[Mana 3,867]

I've changed the autoscramble to happen after 5 wins. So that leaves 5-10 rounds before a scramble.

If teams are mostly even, scramble won't even fire during the map at all.