(A Real) Ban Request: 205 P4

[Soad 39]

This will be my last reply on this post, I have been playing office for about 8 years now. 2 of those years I have spent right here in lotus. Now I have always been about a 2.0 player, up until mana started the beta office server, and removed awps and autos, which I believe he did around the said time of my increase in KDR. My latency has went down half of what it was on texas server and I made some certain upgrades to my pc aswell,which has improved my game in every way shape and form.I am a pure rusher as you all know, actually the best rusher in lotus, wether Im on t or ct, it doesnt matter. A good player will study certain players habbits that are known to be good players and will learn their habbits in office. I play alot in here and I can tell u exactly what the good players will do ,where they will be ,wether they are on ct or t. Its not hard to figure out. Combine all of those together and YES some players will improve their game, and I am 1 of those players. It has been a month since beast and the 2 accounts were banned and I have improved my game by atleast a 1.0 kdr and Im only getting better. So what I guess Im trying to say is that..PEOPLE CAN IMPROVE!! by making adjustments in there game play. And I am proof of that..Oh and btw .. I was number 1 before mana reset the stats the last time, that he can tell you..anyways thats it..I will not waste anymore time defending something I did not do. Do what you need to do lotus..peace

Doesn't explain the ghosting account.

All you need to do is explain why there is an account (Noobalizer), with 193 aliases, no actual playtime, spectating for 9 days+, connects from your city of Mesa, Arizona, and is always in spectator when you play.

The facts are on the first page people, if you can't put two and two together, I don't know what will. If your own clanmates say you ghost how do you expect any credibility when you speak? You most likely know the habits of people by having your ghosting laptop in your lap for over 240 combined hours. Just man up and admit it. Act like an adult for once.

Oh and by the way, upgrading your RAM from 2GB to 4GB doesn't make you a better player. This game can run on any shitty laptop, like the one you got for beast off of craigslist to ghost on.

[Bombz 31]

Doesn't explain the ghosting account.

All you need to do is explain why there is an account (Noobalizer), with 193 aliases, no actual playtime, spectating for 9 days+, connects from your city of Mesa, Arizona, and is always in spectator when you play.

The facts are on the first page people, if you can't put two and two together, I don't know what will. If your own clanmates say you ghost how do you expect any credibility when you speak? You most likely know the habits of people by having your ghosting laptop in your lap for over 240 combined hours. Just man up and admit it. Act like an adult for once.

Oh and by the way, upgrading your RAM from 2GB to 4GB doesn't make you a better player. This game can run on any shitty laptop, like the one you got for beast off of craigslist to ghost on.

Mana or Nanny can simply look to see if the IP's are identical, not hard.

[digitalskillet 1]

hi,

i would like to ban eclipse,

because he always shoots me in the back in ways i never expect.

thx.

[cops in your computer 0]

i cant even believe it's a question whether or not to ban p4.. lol

[Papa Ron 1]

FOR CHRIST SAKE! ARE WE BANNING P4 OR WHAT! THIS IS TAKING SOO LONG! P

[purek 0]

why is taking so long to ban him? are you admins protecting him? soad put here a lot of evidence that should get anyone banned, but not P4, what make him so special? Should we understand that ghosting is permited on this server?

[Soad 39]

i cant even believe it's a question whether or not to ban p4.. lol

FOR CHRIST SAKE! ARE WE BANNING P4 OR WHAT! THIS IS TAKING SOO LONG! P

why is taking so long to ban him? are you admins protecting him? soad put here a lot of evidence that should get anyone banned, but not P4, what make him so special? Should we understand that ghosting is permited on this server?

Before someone accuses me of only my clanmates showing support of the evidence and 205 P4's ban, these people are not in my clan, nor on my friendslist but regulars on the 24/7 Office Server. The general community of the Office Server is aware of 205 P4's tactics and want to see a cheater punished, myself aswell. I also have screenshots of his clanmates stating they think he ghosts, further cementing the notion that he indeed, is not legit.

The evidence is all laid out everyone.

Soad

Edit: Updated First post.

[bTkLm 2]

Hey, I just registed on this forum. I regularly play both Lotus office and Dust. I'm not a great player, but I am decent enough. I am just wondering, if were not going to ban P4 for ghosting, can I start ghosting?

[205 P4 12]

Well this will be my last post I was just made aware by a friend who has been studying soads screenshot presentation, that there are some inconsistancies with his post, which I new there had to be. the header before the screenshot says, "No Beast here aswell." but if you look in the spectator you will see that infact there is one if not two of beast spectator ghost accounts that he used to ghost..giplory and foretwintee,,, in two different screens when he was not in the server. These names can be cross referenced with his ghost accounts here http://stats.lotuscl.../aliases/955763. Not only that this kid is continuously spaming the server, trying to get people to come in here and post on this thread. In an effort to make himself look good I guess. Look at this chat log he literaly has a couple things binded and has spamed them over 70 times since yesterday http://stats.lotusclan.com/player_histories/chat/551351. Not only that he hastles everyone in Az and spread rumors and lies about me that are absolutely rediculous. LOL he says Im a tweaker/methhead, Im gay, a 46 year old, and I clean pools..all of which are not true! He shows his immaturity everytime he types something in chat. He lies, he trolls the server and is a two faced teenager with too much time on his hands. To me that sends his credibility right out the window!! This kid definately has some issues...his chat log says it all!!

[Soad 39]

Well this will be my last post I was just made aware by a friend who has been studying soads screenshot presentation, that there are some inconsistancies with his post, which I new there had to be. the header before the screenshot says, "No Beast here aswell." but if you look in the spectator you will see that infact there is one if not two of beast spectator ghost accounts that he used to ghost..giplory and foretwintee,,, in two different screens when he was not in the server. These names can be cross referenced with his ghost accounts here http://stats.lotuscl.../aliases/955763. Not only that this kid is continuously spaming the server, trying to get people to come in here and post on this thread. In an effort to make himself look good I guess. Look at this chat log he literaly has a couple things binded and has spamed them over 70 times since yesterday http://stats.lotuscl...ies/chat/551351. Not only that he hastles everyone in Az and spread rumors and lies about me that are absolutely rediculous. LOL he says Im a tweaker/methhead, Im gay, a 46 year old, and I clean pools..all of which are not true! He shows his immaturity everytime he types something in chat. He lies, he trolls the server and is a two faced teenager with too much time on his hands. To me that sends his credibility right out the window!! This kid definately has some issues...his chat log says it all!!

Lets break this incoherent mess up.

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Well this will be my last post

Heard that one before.

I was just made aware by a friend who has been studying soads screenshot presentation, that there are some inconsistancies with his post, which I new there had to be. the header before the screenshot says, "No Beast here aswell." but if you look in the spectator you will see that infact there is one if not two of beast spectator ghost accounts that he used to ghost..giplory and foretwintee,,, in two different screens when he was not in the server.

As you can see there are two spectator ghost accounts. One is envy, one is gipglory. [(205 P4) Envy = Noobalizer] | [(Beast) Gipglory = Thadius]

Explain why Envy is in the server.

It would make NO sense for Beast to have two ghosting accounts. Your argument is invalid. You're pulling another Michelle Bachmann and talking about something completely different.

Nearly every single one of your screenshots which "prove how good you are" have a spectator in the game with a different alias of Noobalizer.

I can provide all 38 screenshots of myself between 4.0kdr --> 20kdr without one single Noobalizer alias spectator in it, unless you're also in the game with me.

Not only that this kid is continuously spaming the server, trying to get people to come in here and post on this thread.

Not ONE person ever complained. In fact, people were grateful for my work and many said, nice job, good post etc. I am merely informing the community that a ghoster had been playing with them for months on end.

In an effort to make himself look good I guess.

Opinion, irrelevant.

Look at this chat log he literaly has a couple things binded and has spamed them over 70 times since yesterday http://stats.lotuscl...ies/chat/551351.

It is perfectly fine to bind a sentence. I pasted them once or so every few rounds incase somebody missed the link. I find nadespamming and the line "fire in the hole!" more annoying than a simple sentence

Not only that he hastles everyone in Az and spread rumors and lies about me that are absolutely rediculous.

I do not engage unless first engaged. You see, I was friends with nearly all of Az until they started talking shit about me once I joined 2.0KDR. I was even your friend once, but it seems you value stats over friends.

LOL he says Im a tweaker/methhead, Im gay, a 46 year old, and I clean pools..all of which are not true!

You have personally confided in Beast, your former friend in real life, that you smoke so much meth you have to keep away from your family. Was told the other thing by Beast as well.

He shows his immaturity everytime he types something in chat. He lies, he trolls the server and is a two faced teenager with too much time on his hands.

Hypocritical. You just said something which is not true about me. You say "nigger" all the time in the chat, start shit by votebanning people who are simply playing and nadespamming on a stacked team.

All you need to do is explain why there is an account (Noobalizer), with 193 aliases, no actual playtime, spectating for 9 days+, connects from your city of Mesa, Arizona, and is always in spectator when you play.

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Your argument, once again, failed to produce any substance at all. Sorry mate.

You have BUT one supporter (Voltazar). Even Knusperkeks who used to be in your clan believes you ghost. Many of your clanmates say they think you're fishy/ghosting/hacking, and they also said they stay out of this because there is no way to defend you without coming across as ignorant because the FACTS are there.

You're starting to look like this, P4.

[UBS 1]

Support Soad. The evidence is clear and easily understandable. Good job soad.

[Soad 39]

Support Soad. The evidence is clear and easily understandable. Good job soad.

Thank you sir. I'm just waiting for the admins to have a look. Otherwise I'm having fun dismantling 205 P4's incoherent posts. He sounds like a hybrid between Palin and Bachmann. Crazy, ignorant, doesnt answer a question directly, and annoying.

Abominable summed it up well.

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[beast 4]

LOL .... i wonder wht the hell mana is doing ... he probably feels so BETRAYED by p4, he's second guessing if his 10$ a month contribution is going to be worth one player (P4) over dozens of office regulars .. fact is P4 cant defend himself against such evidence.. he's sidetracking and stating irrelevant facts... buying time i guess. The fact that it's taking this long is BS...if P4 dont get banned given the evidence at hand than this server/forum is really cooked , tilted and favored. mana, anfronny, krash, and all other admins... do whats right and get this guy out of your server. Not once has he denied or put up a single thread of evidence that would combat and defend his person against this IRON CLAD EVIDENCE that soad has provided!

[Soad 39]

Ping is a very important aspect to look at.

Now, you can see they are about 10-20 ms apart. He has a laptop and a desktop.

There are many ways to create a discrepancy between the latency of both accounts.

Examples:

1. Low-end CPU

2. Low-end GPU

3. Worse connection to the internet from one computer and a better connection from the other.

4. Better netcard on one computer, a worse one on the other.

5. Spoofing the ping by sending fake packets.

6. Tricking the game into sending messages to the server faster than normal.

7. Uploading/Downloading a little on one computer to distort the ping.

8. Enabling many firewalls on one computer, and no firewall on the other one.

205 P4 is decently knowledgeable in computers and would have no trouble doing any of the above.

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Every single one of these examples are very easy to do. 205 P4 can't hide behind the ping argument now.

[beast 4]

Thank you sir. I'm just waiting for the admins to have a look. Otherwise I'm having fun dismantling 205 P4's incoherent posts. He sounds like a hybrid between Palin and Bachmann. Crazy, ignorant, doesnt answer a question directly, and annoying.

Abominable summed it up well.

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man you aint dismantling P4's incoherent post... if anything your brutally ripping his online ego limb from limb... never has the "P4" come across such a skilled forum member.. any argument that P4 makes to defend himself via post is being disected , examined, evaluated, and displayed for the forum to see the real truth... soad is counter "facting" all the things P4 says in his line of defense...

[ReconPWN 10]

I still find it sad that P4 won't man up and say that he is lying

[Soad 39]

I still find it sad that P4 won't man up and say that he is lying

He is done. I'm pretty much complete with my original post, I've refined it quite well, and its all up to the admins now. I just hope they make the right decision.

[Papa Ron 1]

STOP MAKING SO MANY EXCUSES P4. THE POINT IS. WHY IS IT SO LONG TO BAN HIM, WHILE OTHERS GET BAN JUST BY POSTING ONE MSG!

[bTkLm 2]

This grows more irritating the longer this takes.

Edit: Maybe he really does have the admins around his fingers like he says?

Edited June 30, 2011 by bTkLm

[Oblivion 2]

Alright. As you can see, I'm a member of the Az clan and I'm playing with P4 since I installed CSS and joined Office 24/7 Lotus server 11 months ago. Actually, I believe that P4 do NOT hack, at least since I know him.

I'm not stupid, the proves Soad has revealed are pretty damning. But I sincerely believe that P4 is a good CSS player and has awesome skills to the point where it would be totally useless to use a ghosting account for him.

He's playing CSS since the Ice Age and I, despite an already innate talent for videogames, was able to improve my game of 150% with the advices P4 gave me when I started. Since then. we have developed strategies together and love playing with each other. So when P4 says to me that he's not ghosting/hacking, I trust him. Because if I can play as well as he can without ghosting/hacking or whatever, why he couldn't do it?

Where I live, we are innocent until proven guilty. Guilt must be made beyoud a reasonable doubt, what remains here. The accused doesn't need to proove his innocence, only the authorities need to.

P4 has no duty to prove something to the other players, except the admins.I believe in Justice, but some rules must be respected. Let Mana do his job, he has the best place to determine whether or not he is guilty.

I'm pretty sure he's working on this right now.

On that note, have a nice day.

[Soad 39]

Alright. As you can see, I'm a member of the Az clan and I'm playing with P4 since I installed CSS and joined Office 24/7 Lotus server 11 months ago. Actually, I believe that P4 do NOT hack, at least since I know him.

I'm not stupid, the proves Soad has revealed are pretty damning. But I sincerely believe that P4 is a good CSS player and has awesome skills to the point where it would be totally useless to use a ghosting account for him.

He's playing CSS since the Ice Age and I, despite an already innate talent for videogames, was able to improve my game of 150% with the advices P4 gave me when I started. Since then. we have developed strategies together and love playing with each other. So when P4 says to me that he's not ghosting/hacking, I trust him. Because if I can play as well as he can without ghosting/hacking or whatever, why he couldn't do it?

Where I live, we are innocent until proven guilty. Guilt must be made beyoud a reasonable doubt, what remains here. The accused doesn't need to proove his innocence, only the authorities need to.

P4 has no duty to prove something to the other players, except the admins.I believe in Justice, but some rules must be respected. Let Mana do his job, he has the best place to determine whether or not he is guilty.

I'm pretty sure he's working on this right now.

On that note, have a nice day.

I respect your opinion without a doubt. I may have been a bit assertive in my earlier posts, but I was adamant from the beginning to let the admins handle it. I am here merely to present evidence. However, one can have suspicion with good reason and intuition.

Thank you for the constructive post.

Soad

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Update

205 P4 deleted all of his 30+ screenshots except five of them. Three of them, coincidentally either do not have a spectator, or do not contain one of the 193 Aliases of Hansenforhire (Ghost Account)

The other two are from the same game, however...

It looks like he forgot to delete his best one, containing BillyBob (Hansenforhire)

[StrmDragon 0]

I will try to be as tasteful as possible with this post.

My views come from having played with and against BOTH P4 and Beast.

Now the day that Beast was watched by Afronanny (pardon me if I spelled wrong) I was in the server against Beast. I had just come thru to CT's spawn walking the whole way, there was no way that Beast could have seen where I was.

Then low and behold there is a grenade in my lap magically. The funny thing is I've seen *both the victim and someone on the same team* P4 do the same exact thing.

And I'm sorry but the excuse that you play office forever and on the same server forever would mean that you would throw random nades into popular spots. No you've done it when I've seen only when someone was there (and hadn't killed anyone or did anything to reveal them on the radar)

If it was experience based you'd be doing it random, no instead there is severe prefire on targets that would not be revealed on the radar to you, and targets that magically are known to you where they are.

There is a reason why demo's won't work against ghosting, cause unlike textures/esp/walling the person doesn't have to watch them thru the wall or do any indication that they know where the person is thru the respective hacks. (altho I will say Knus' post on Beast was damn convincing and would have probably gotten him banned on almost any server *no offense to the admins here you had to make a call and I respect your call*)

Now Beast's ban was done by Afronanny who only watched Beast play some rounds. But here we have a post that has been completely researched out and evidence posted.

Now over 90% of the evidence is VERY damning to P4. You'd expect P4's responses to be to the point of disproving the evidence presented, which in almost each post he has done nothing but try and slander the evidence presenter without discrediting the facts presented at all (except in one post where he tries to shift the focus to a mistake done).

Either way the final decision will be left up into the admin's hands for which I trust they will use their wisdom.

[Haz-Mat 0]

I just want to add my voice to the masses and say that the evidence is very compelling and P4 has yet to come up with any sort of explanation of the facts.

Ever since I started playing CS again and started playing on the Lotus server I recognized P4 as a moderately good player. As time went on though I became more and more suspicious of him. Too many times have I seen him pull that nade trick, where he chucks a nade at one of the last few remaining players and kills them, even though he should have had no knowledge of where they were(or even that one nade will be the final blow). At first I thought he used wall or radar hacking, but this(ghosting) seems to be the logical explanation, and the facts prove it.

I feel that fact that he has yet to be banned is very telling the admins. I really hate to point finger's at admins for being slow on this case, but it has been three days and the evidence was less clear with Beast. If P4 isn't banned, I really don't know how I can in continue to come to the server if this is the kind of behavior that is not bannable.

On a completely separate note. All the Arrested Development .gifs -- pure awesome.