Respawn Time

[Elitist 4]

Alright, i'm getting so fucking annoyed with this respawn time, mainly in 2fort. do you know how frustrating it is to walk out of spawn, get killed by 4 guys, and have to wait 22 seconds to play again? it's beyond irritating. and what if the other team has sentries outside your base? its almost impossible to kill them with a 20 second respawn, and you are literally dead more than alive.

obviously its not just me that has a problem with it.

just change the god damn respawn time to at least 10 seconds, or even 13.

on a map like dustbowl its not really a big deal, since you don't die that often on D, but on 2fort it's insane.

rage over.

please consider it.

[Harlequin 2,975]

IMHO the respawn time is greate the way it is. This way you can take out enemy defense and try to get the intel, instead of facing the 5 ppl you just killed 10 secs before.

cheers

[JMaster299 654]

From what I've experienced most Lotus servers I've played on have stock respawn timers but there are a few that don't. If you want a fast respawn in 2Fort go play on the Insta Spawn Chicago server 65.60.32.26:27015. Play on the correct server that fits your play style instead of raging and cussing at people.

Also, how long you live is determined by a lot of factors, number 1 being your play style. If you get killed a lot you are probably being too aggressive in your play style.

[Elitist 4]

bloody: if you were getting spawn camped you would know what i mean. walk outside spawn, die, respawn for 20 seconds.

J: I know of that server, and more that have instant respawn, but i dont like that.

10-15 seconds would be a perfect respawn.

also, i've had a 31 kill streak as sniper and still had a 20 second respawn, so the the whole style of play thing is actually bs.

also, dont be such a baby. swearing is expressing your anger and frustration.

if i had said "you know, these gosh darn respawn times are really gettin on my nerves," i would sound like an idiot, and you people may not think i'm that serious.

so, please grow up. thanks!

[JMaster299 654]

Please learn to read, I never said how long you live will affect your respawn time. What I said was if you die a lot, which you yourself complained about, then you are probably being too aggressive in your play style. Also, I am not offended by your cussing I was simply pointing out that being a jerk, demanding a change and cussing at people about something you don't like is not the best way to get those people to listen to you.

If you want a short but not instant respawn maybe you should find a server that has that instead of demanding a server be changed to fit the play style you want. Or, you can be more mature and constructive by maybe starting a thread requesting input from other players who play on that same server to see if they want a shorter respawn time too. Then maybe the owners may make a change if a large enoguh portion of that server's community asks for that change.

Why should the rules of an entire server be changed just because you demand it?

[Elitist 4]

notice at the end of my post i say "please consider it".

if i was the only one who had a problem with this, i would not have started this post.

i would love to see your reaction to getting stuck in spawn with a 20 second respawn. wouldn't you get annoyed? wouldn't you get just a bit frustrated?

i WAS hoping people would comment on this, but not the likes of you.

if you would like to try it, come to 24/7 east coast 2fort and i'll just kill you when you step out of spawn. maybe i could wait a while, say, 25 seconds and kill you at your entrance.

sound like fun? no?

this is the only server i have a problem with. all the rest are fine, but with 2fort being so small and the respawn times so large, it's impossible not to get spawn camped at one point or another.

p.s.

commas and semicolons are your friends.

respectfully, a frustrated 2fort player.

[Nano 7,892]

Well at least elitist lives up to his name.

[Willerms 1,794]

Wait, which 2fort server are we talking about. There are a lot of 2fort servers. Often times, the community plays a large part (as stated above) in the decision. Like if you were stuck on a server with JaLo, I'd understand. This it kind of a moot point..

[Elitist 4]

Lotus 24/7 east coast x32

[Willerms 1,794]

Lotus 24/7 east coast x32

That one is my favourite. Isn't the respawn time only 16 seconds or so?

[Elitist 4]

sometimes its 16, but most of the time its 20-22.

and seven, don't give me that shit.

one or two good players on a team can still get spawn camped.

[JMaster299 654]

sometimes its 16, but most of the time its 20-22.

and seven, don't give me that shit.

one or two good players on a team can still get spawn camped.

You should at least learn some facts about respawn times before complaining about them. Teams will respawn in waves and where you get killed in bewtween those spawn waves determines how long you have to wait. On all CTF maps like 2Fort both teams will respawn players once every 20 seconds. So your spawn time can be any where from 0-20 seconds after the kill cam. If your spawn time is always closer to 20 seconds it's just bad luck as the spawn waves never stop occurring.

How long you wait is determined strictly by when you died in between waves. You don't get put into that que for the spawn wave until after the kill cam. Basically the game does not consider you dead until after that 5 seconds. That respawn of once every 20 seconds was set by Valve based on the numbers they got when beta testing the game back in 07 and various times were tweaked shortly after release. Valve considers those times to be balanced and you getting spawn camped should be a non issue. (Source)

2Fort has two different spawn locations, one of which has two exits, so you should be able to find your way out of spawn even if you have to suicide once or twice. If you keep getting spawn camped you are doing something wrong. The whole Rambo mentality that so many people have is what leads to things like people getting spawn camped. Everyone wants to constantly rush and try to cap as quickly as possible. You won't get spawn camped if your team actually defends the base properly.

[Elitist 4]

do you know how many shitty tf2 players there are, especially on 2fort?

once again, ONE OR TWO GOOD PLAYERS CANNOT MAKE UP FOR A TEAM FULL OF IDIOTS. Learn to read seven, and don't be such a hot-headed fool.

but it doesn't matter, apparently no one on the server actually cares about the respawn, so i'm dropping it.

[Elitist 4]

Oh ok, the next time i'm getting spawn camped i'll just go demo and kill the 6 spawn campers with stickies, easy!

it's not like they would destroy the stickies one by one right?

because you would have to pop open the door and shoot them out one at a time, and then get at least 4 to do any real damage.

forget about the medic healing them, forget about the enemy demo getting ready to det HIS stickies at your spawn.

it's obviously not impossible to kill the spawn campers, but it is almost impossible to kill them solo.

so when you talk about getting spawn camped, and that i should just learn to play, you're obviously just trying to be a douche.

I wish i knew what made you such a cocky asshole, because there are a whole score of people just like you that need help!

and have you ever tried being nice to people? if they have a problem, has your first response ever something other than "pussy" or, "noob?"

so Se7en, (that's really bad ass, that 7 in there, it makes you look different) next time you respond to someone thats complaining about something, try to understand WHY they are upset, not just assume they are a noob, ok?

Now, sit the fuck down asshole. Thanks!

[JMaster299 654]

Don't blame Se7en just because you acted like a jerk and did not explain yourself fully. You kept going on and on about respawn timers but it now looks like that what you're really upset about is the spawn campers, and you incorrectly think that reducing the spawn timer will keep that from happening.

Spawn camping has nothing to do with respawn timers and is the result of bad players, including yourself. If you keep getting spawn camped take it upon yourself to defend your base and encourage other players to do the same. When the other team learns they can't just walk into your base unchallenged they'll stop spawn camping you. Or get a group of people together, have a couple go medic if needed, and Uber your way out of spawn. It all comes down to learning how to play.

It's also funny to watch you complain about other people having an attitude when you started off in your first post being an aggressive jerk.

[Elitist 4]

Jmaster....

I don't like to respawn for 20 seconds. That's it.

It's interesting that you don't like me just because I'm hating on the respawn time. If we were to meet face to face, I'll bet neither of us would act this angry.

Also, neither of you have the slightest idea of how good a player I am, so don't try to piss me off by saying I suck.

[JMaster299 654]

Now you try to back peddle and pull the foot out of your mouth yet you can't finish your post with out being an over aggressive jerk still. And the fact still remains, if you were as pro as you say you are you would not be getting spawn camped. Being a good player also means being able to guide and lead your team if needed.

If your team is full of bad players who won't listen having a shorter respawn still won't fix anything. If your team is full of asshats try getting on the other team or switch to another one of the 24/7 2Fort servers for a little while. There is a million other things you can be doing besides raging about spawn timers when those spawn timers are not the issue.

Stock spawn timers have their uses. When you make a big push and take out a large portion of the other team you know you can rush in and advance because you have those few precious seconds while the other team is stuck in respawn. Those timers are there for exactly that reason, so you don't coordinate a big push just to see it wasted because the other team can just respawn real quick and come at you full ammo and health and wipe you out.

I for one am going to walk away from this thread since you've been unable to have an intelligent and adult conversation since you made your first post. It's obvious all you want to do is yell and rage at people, have fun with that.

[Elitist 4]

if you put more than one question into a post, the other person will never answer both.

so, lets finish this off neatly, once and for all?

here is my second question: without knowing me at all, you're assuming i'm a bad player and unintelligent because i'm frustrated by one aspect of the game?

(and please don't try to act like you're better than me, because we both know you're not as mature as you think you are)

also, if you want to have a relatively calm discussion on this topic, i'd like to talk to you vocally on steam.

[Mana 3,867]

We have a few instant respawn servers. Those are disqualified from quickplay and aren't very popular.

Maintaining stock respawn times is required in order to keep the servers populated due to way Valve's matchmaking works:

https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=2825-AFGJ-3513#mat

Respawn times won't be altered as that would disqualify the servers from being seen by the majority of players.

[Willerms 1,794]

if they hav (that'se a problem, has your first response ever something other than "pussy" or, "noob?"

so Se7en, really bad ass, that 7 in there, it makes you look different)

SE7EN IS ONE BADASS MOTHERFUCKER

[Nano 7,892]

. Edited January 2, 2012 by TheProLoser

[JMaster299 654]

SE7EN IS ONE BADASS MOTHERFUCKER

Sorry, had to fix that post. You just can't same something like that with out a Sam Jackson pic to go with it.

[Mana 3,867]

I see this thread is getting derailled and going nowhere, fast.

I explained the reasoning for using default spawn times in post #23.

Thread closed.