Serpent Rush

[serpenty 1]

I havent big exrerience ( year or lesser in multiplayer), but i think i can add my ideas about serpent rush.

All good serpent players after hut builds tavern or alchemist hut.

If player build tavern he ll have 3 ways what to do next.

1 - Most simply - build another and rush with 6-8 swordsman

sometimes it wroks, sometimes no, but u mustnt forget this simple way (it willnt work with lotus staff aderts)

2 - (if map has horses) build stables, then tavern and atack with 5-6 (or more) mounted swordsmans. It usually works good vs dragon and wolf (if wolf havent a lot of dryads) but serpent and lotus can build tower and do a little massacre for your horsemans. Dragon can build whirling spears ( one time i see that ) but most players dont do it.

note: u can dont build another tavern and build bathhouse for mounted geishaes

it works good too.

3 - build alchemist hut and atack with 4-5 swordsmans and 3-4 musketeers but this way havent stability.

If player build alchemist hut he ll have 2 other ways

1 - Build another one and make muske rush (it often works with wolf and dragon archers but spearmans, acolytes and swordsmans ll beat u)

2 - Build thieves guild and start creating snipes. Actually, this is more counterrush ,

especially *conterhorserush* (100% works if u build tower) but if u be fast u can atack yourself. Very good add canoneers with smoke or geishas, but it too long for rush.

note:this tactic ll lose if your opponent ll atack by fast melee rush.

note:lotus almost always crush serpent, if u now good way to prevent it, tell.

So, after start of building tavern or alchemist hut, u need to send your fourth or fiveth peasant to watch what is your opponent building now, and then start one of your tactics.

[serpenty 1]

Sry, i has created 2 topics.

Can someone delete one?

[{Dark}WolfBite 2]

Yes, Serpenty you are absolutely correct, except everything you have said depends on a players mcro and skill; while it may work some, it wont work for others.

[DDD 0]

Yes, Serpenty you are absolutely correct, except everything you have said depends on a players mcro and skill; while it may work some, it wont work for others.

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I think rush only works on another player who will also rush. If your opponent focus on defense in the earlier part of the game even an 8 swordsman rush will get slaughtered by a decent defense.

Best way I can initiate an attack is a 4 man raider rush. Even if your enemy establish a decent defense setting fire on a couple of buildings then retreat and leave caltrops will give them something to think about.

[[LOT]rundown 3]

having 4 raiders in a rush with caltrops would take awhile and by the time you get that your opponent will be able to block 4 raiders easily

[{Dark}WolfBite 2]

Ugh...From now on I am going to abuse in a 1v1, if my opponent abuses; I am sick of seeing one million smoke bombs weakening and stunning my army at the spot for it die in front of my eyes.

[DDD 0]

rundown' date='Jan 11 2006, 01:09 AM']having 4 raiders in a rush with caltrops would take awhile and by the time you get that your opponent will be able to block 4 raiders easily

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Well like I said "initiate an attack" not a "rush" even if your opponent block those raiders, retreat(that's what caltrops are for) and try another spot to get close to their base. Your enemy has to think twice if they want to pursue those raiders.

Also if you're playing serpent it is best to ditch an early rush and send in a crossbowman instead to set up those phosporus bolts around the enemy base, this way you know where an ambush is coming from or where the bulk of his defense is.

Plus set up a parameter around your base using those bolts to see where a rush is coming from and to determine where to concentrate your defense. No rush, so long game ahead but you can see your enemies movement so the advange is in your favor.

[Jdeks 0]

I keep hearing people say what serpenty says: That lotus have some sort of big advantage over serpent. In my experience, I've nevert found this, rather Ive found the contrary: Musks, swords and bandits perform exceptionally well against lotus for me.

Can someone elaborate please on this? Why is it that lotus crush serpent?

[{Dark}BerZerKer 0]

i played a 4 v 4 with computer allies. me and 3 other computers were serpent, and we faced 4 lotus computers. all the a.i. was zymeth.

we were crushed one by one. does that answer ur question jdeks?

[{Dark}KaBuKI 2]

i considered that computer are too easy also super ai i can beat 7 computer by my self ai just suck :nuke:

[[LOT]rundown 3]

yea, ais may be easy but they are fun to play against sometimes

[{Dark}WolfBite 2]

Jdeks, its solely based on abuse. If lotus player makes any of the following mixed in with great micro, any clan is bound to die.

2-3 Dark Canopy

3 Death Sentry

3 Death Wail

3-5 Channelers

1-3 Brothers

5-10 Warlocks

If you can use this army well, then the serpent is basically toast.

[{Dark}CoolGuy 1]

The thing is serpent has a lot of good stuff against lotus but people never use them.

EX) send crossbowin to thivensguid and use weeknessdirts.

Also bandits kick ass of lotus. Cannoner kick ass of warlocks masterwarlocks and Zymeth.

Is that enough weekness.

[{Dark}WarlockLord 0]

I tried the crossbow with weakness bolts on lotus and it is not that good.

[{Dark}CoolGuy 1]

You have to use it the right way then it work.

I spend a whole year playing against computer and i tried a lot of startagy i know it works.

[{Dark}WarlockLord 0]

I was going against lotus and they send warlocks and they some killed the crossbowmen. :shuriken:

[Jdeks 0]

So the lotus win on abuse, eh?

Mayhap the serpent should abuse too...

I reckon mass smokes and some muggers and bandits would go down very well against the little army you put forward Wolf? What do you think?

[{Dark}WolfBite 2]

Well. the things I listed above aren't abuse for lotus. They were listed to counter the serpent abuse.

[JoSeYwAlEs 0]

Vs lotus use smoke , mugs ,then u snipe the staff .

or u send the ghost and vetkin in the smoke,

ghost r weak but they protect vetkin from warlocks.

Canons r good because they damage few ubits for 1 shot.

i think its best strategy and u can send first a ronin to slow all units.

The difficulty is to avoid ice from warlock and move fast when they come to u.

[{Dark}KaBuKI 2]

yeah josey i think thats the right strategie i do the same thing vs lotus i mass smoke on then send my ghost then send vetkin and kill their staff and the smoke them again and send vetkin that way the warlocks dont use the ice and then kill then easy enought

[Jdeks 0]

Jdeks, its solely based on abuse.  If lotus player makes any of the following mixed in with great micro, any clan is bound to die.

2-3 Dark Canopy

3 Death Sentry

3 Death Wail

3-5 Channelers

1-3 Brothers

5-10 Warlocks

If you can use this army well, then the serpent is basically toast.

2979[/snapback]

Doesnt sound like a serpent abuse counter at all. Sounds like a very good lotus strategy in which "any clan is bound to die."

[{Dark}WolfBite 2]

Yes, the topic was on playing against serpent wasn't it.

[{Dark}WarlockLord 0]

No,It is about serpent rush.

[serpenty 1]

Mugs sometimes doesnot work good vs dc:

Good lotus player can create group of brothers and staff adepts.

You can steal dc, your swordsmans die one-by-one, and your opponent simply recover dc back...

All that you win - few seconds without dc.

And dc protect lotus troops vs canons and snipes - your main atack force.

Lotus can also use death voil vs mugs in first line.

About vetkin: it working good, but sometimes he cannt escape.So, vetkin is one and adepts are many.And, i guess lotus ll not be keep them too close.

[Darky{III} 0]

i think any lotus can lose to serpent.. with snipe and good micro... any units of lotus can die. smoke are lotus killer. 1 killed chan 2. helps mug to get in. 3. stop brother from blessing. 4. weaken lotus atttack which is mostly magic. smoke mug. then snipe aim for brother- lotus gone