Why Bots ?

[Outcast2 17]

Mana, please lock this thread like you did the sv_pure one, it's just going to turn into outcast yelling at everyone again

Wow ? where did this came from ? look how many posts i have on this forum my friend , you talk like i'm raping people with words on a regular basis.

On topic

I think the bots are ok as skill goes , we don't want better bots because we know they cheat , i mean come on , it's the computer , he can aim perfectly if we allow it.

The bots make another problem now that sexy king talks about dom , some people can make points for rank with bots in the morning when nobody plays , a bit unfair for the rank whores who work hard to get first place ( like phantom , hihihi ).

[GhettO.STyO 0]

I wasn't saying anything about the bot difficulty... I was saying that when someone leaves they are immediately replaced with a bot often causing a team to be majorly players and the other bots. This causes steamrolling and the people that are unfortunately on the team with mostly bots leave slowing the server from filling.

And no wants to play with 5 medic bots that sometimes don't even leave the spawn.

[Brokkoly 11]

i dunno about that with the medic bots, the medic ai seems to be the best, as they'll just follow you in. medic bots on dustbowl. that's where their ai is the best

[phantom 29]

im here today to defend the noble bots

normally when you join a server and theres only a few people on youre like "OH MAN FUCK THIS SERVER!"

not today, today you get bots. and not just any bots, amazing bots.

so i join stock maps 2 as per usual and what do i find? 5v5 sawmill. 10 bots.

ive never seen such amazing gameplay! so i quickly had to record a demo to catch it in all of its glory!

so i for one am glad we have such amazing bots to help seed servers, cause i know when i find a empty server i leave, but with these here i just want to stay! look how happy that soldier was!

[Mana 3,867]

Bots can play CP maps, Dustbowl is the map in question here.

They can not play CTF maps, unless they are medics and even then they can't really play it...

So that video is normal.

im here today to defend the noble bots

normally when you join a server and theres only a few people on youre like "OH MAN FUCK THIS SERVER!"

not today, today you get bots. and not just any bots, amazing bots.

so i join stock maps 2 as per usual and what do i find? 5v5 sawmill. 10 bots.

ive never seen such amazing gameplay! so i quickly had to record a demo to catch it in all of its glory!

so i for one am glad we have such amazing bots to help seed servers, cause i know when i find a empty server i leave, but with these here i just want to stay! look how happy that soldier was!

[Krash 1,040]

Post count = nothing.

And if it did, look whos talking.

Anywayz, from what ive seen in 'offline practice' the medic bots only heal other bots. But they uber correctly and do a fair amount of damage.

Edited July 3, 2010 by Krash

[Outcast2 17]

In dust the bots are better than most players , medics heal and uber properly , engies build tele's , it's great.

Krash , you bore me , i'm really bored arguing with kids , you give me no challenge.

[No longer a Sexy King:^) 5,592]

Dustbowl Stage 1, Bots Attacking. They don't have enough intelligence to get out of spawn by other gate than the one principal one. This results in the ultimate kritz spam ever they can't even get out of the spawn the entire round. And then they go defending, well easy for blu we rape them all in 3 stages in less than 5 mins and here we are at the 1 stage spawn raping them again. Seriously make the bots smarter please.

[Zephyr 14]

I think bots are a bad idea.. at least on Stocks 4. Normally, the server is completely full at this time on a Saturday, but the bots make people leave the server. Take a look at the statistics of how the server fills up with and without bots. I guarantee Stocks 4 fills up faster without bots.

Also, all medic bots makes for a strange game.

[Mana 3,867]

I think bots are a bad idea.. at least on Stocks 4. Normally, the server is completely full at this time on a Saturday, but the bots make people leave the server. Take a look at the statistics of how the server fills up with and without bots. I guarantee Stocks 4 fills up faster without bots.

Also, all medic bots makes for a strange game.

All medic bots do not help indeed.

But unfortunately bots can not play certain maps right now (ctf/payload). Perhaps I will disable bots on those maps.

[Outcast2 17]

So the general consensus is that bots are a bad idea , at least for some server.

I think a solution to the problem is to eliminate completely bots from servers who are usually populated , leave the bots only on servers that aren't so populated.

The famous Stocks 4 you have in US should not have bots , also the UK dustbowl now that we have stats is again very populated , we don't need bots there.

It's just a suggestion .

[Adlerson 0]

This bot 'solution' is a bad one, at best. Especially on payload maps the bots are less than useless.

I'm on the west coast payload server right now, my regular hangout for the past year or so. I've NEVER seen so few people on here on a Saturday night. For the past 45 minutes we've been sitting here with 4-6 players, and the rest bots. People join, realize the bot situation, then leave. And when people stay it tends to become 4-5 humans on one team, together with the useless bots, then 1-2 humans on the other team. The numerically inferior team keeps getting rolled, so people leave the server. (Right now it's down to 3 human players. Great.)

I've been a monetary supporter of this server, and planned to continue to be, but if this bot 'solution' is staying I'm not.

If this was meant to be a solution to 'lure' people on to the server it's not a very good one; Not a single player who's been on there now has had a good thing to say about this, and I would be very surprised if you ever see them again on a Lotus server. (Some of them have noticed this is a Lotus thing, and trust me, didn't have anything good to say about Lotus.)

So.. Get rid of the bots. Or the players. Easy choice, I would hope...

[Melissia 7]

Amusingly enough, in CS:S the bots are often better than the players.

[Krome 1]

This bot 'solution' is a bad one, at best. Especially on payload maps the bots are less than useless.

I'm on the west coast payload server right now, my regular hangout for the past year or so. I've NEVER seen so few people on here on a Saturday night. For the past 45 minutes we've been sitting here with 4-6 players, and the rest bots. People join, realize the bot situation, then leave. And when people stay it tends to become 4-5 humans on one team, together with the useless bots, then 1-2 humans on the other team. The numerically inferior team keeps getting rolled, so people leave the server. (Right now it's down to 3 human players. Great.)

I've been a monetary supporter of this server, and planned to continue to be, but if this bot 'solution' is staying I'm not.

If this was meant to be a solution to 'lure' people on to the server it's not a very good one; Not a single player who's been on there now has had a good thing to say about this, and I would be very surprised if you ever see them again on a Lotus server. (Some of them have noticed this is a Lotus thing, and trust me, didn't have anything good to say about Lotus.)

So.. Get rid of the bots. Or the players. Easy choice, I would hope...

yeah, I play with Adlerson regularly on the WC Payload server, and the bot situation just has people joining and leaving. and Mana, you said yourself that they don't do Payload well. please remove the bots from the WC Payload server.

[Mana 3,867]

I'm on the west coast payload server right now, my regular hangout for the past year or so. I've NEVER seen so few people on here on a Saturday night.

It's not bots you silly. Same thing happened last year and there were no bots.

It's the 4th of July weekend. Even Counter-Strike: Source is down 15K players compared to a weekday right now.

[Krash 1,040]

Amusingly enough, in CS:S the bots are often better than the players.

Theyre pretty much aimbots. The bots are indestructible on expert.

[Adlerson 0]

It's not bots you silly. Same thing happened last year and there were no bots.

It's the 4th of July weekend. Even Counter-Strike: Source is down 15K players compared to a weekday right now.

Then how come I could go to my favourite backup server and it was full?

Were you on the server? I was, and I'm telling you, people left quicker than they've done in the past, even starting with an empty server.

You're the boss, of course, and you're free to do what you want. Just as I'm free to take my money elsewhere if this doesn't change.

[Mana 3,867]

Then how come I could go to my favourite backup server and it was full?

Were you on the server? I was, and I'm telling you, people left quicker than they've done in the past, even starting with an empty server.

You're the boss, of course, and you're free to do what you want. Just as I'm free to take my money elsewhere if this doesn't change.

So if its the bots then how come it wasn't an issue for the last 2 months? We had bots back then too. We had bots in some form since Valve announced the bot beta.

Only difference back then was that we had our own plugin manage them (instead of Valve's cvars), which got accidentally broken with one of the updates. It's fixed now, but we ain't using it yet.

You should go outside and celebrate, light up some fireworks like this man here:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/07/04/new.york.fireworks.arm.loss/index.html?hpt=T2

[No longer a Sexy King:^) 5,592]

lol

[Mana 3,867]

Anyway as I said previously, if a bot can't play a map, it shouldn't be on the server. This is now implemented (pending server restart).

What we're trying out now is this:

No more than 2 bots total (medics) on maps starting with ctf_ pl_.

Maps that bots can play with ANY class:

cp_ koth_ arena_ tc_

Maps that bots can play as medic only:

ALL

PS: With this new implementation you will rarely see bots on pl_ or ctf_ maps.

[No longer a Sexy King:^) 5,592]

Oh Thanks Mana Great Job =)

[Mana 3,867]

Oh Thanks Mana Great Job =)

Oh I forgot to say, the above is only valid for the US servers.

UK servers are different in setup and I will decide what to do with those later.

[No longer a Sexy King:^) 5,592]

Oh well, k but still great job with the us servers

[Brokkoly 11]

If this was meant to be a solution to 'lure' people on to the server it's not a very good one

the bots aren't meant to lure people, that's what the fake client plugin is for

Also, why do the bots with the name of people who are on my friends list have the little icon by their name on the scoreboard

Edited July 6, 2010 by Brokkoly

[Spartan_0214 18]

Mana stole some Steam IDs, probably from donator info.