Wanna Share Tf2 Gentleman's Latest Video

[Harlequin 2,975]

Hello everybody,

I know there may not be many ppl here that want to watch a 50 minute Video, espessialy one that is only about spyin';

but spys on this board may have a good time watching it, in special these spys that remember "old vanilla"

this is aint a regular gameplay, it's more about him sharing his oppinion about all the new weapons, where the spy was in the past, and what it looks like the spy gameplay will end.

It's a commentary with a bit gameplay, nothing to show "skill", just a commentary.

I totaly agree with gentlemans POV, I think I will change my gamestyle from "New-TF2 spam" more to the good old vanilla;

even if my K/D will suck on 2fort... D:

[Ghost_Jor 583]

I don't agree with most of the stuff he sad there.

1. He called Jarate a grenade. Which it isn't.

2. He complains about spam game-play, then wants to remove the air blast from the degreaser. That will make it an m1+w weapon like the phlogistanator; the weapon famed for making pyro's flame spammers (which he actually complains about to).

3. He says the ambassador gives a lot of damage from across the map an is spammy. It can be for those who have extraordinary aim/ hacks which is the point of the gun. It rewards sharp aim.

4. Spy's can be stealthy unlike what he said. The point of the DR is to get past spam-fests witch are part of the game. Using the regular cloaks where an enemy team is spamming the only entrance will not end well. Also, it's not as easy as he describes to DR past a team if they are competent.

5. The degreaser axtignuisher combo is only over-powered when you get into close range fights with the pyro. Which you should never do anyway as that's the point of the class.

6. I agree with what he said in terms of the ambassador. I wanted it to be a really damaging weapon and the changes he suggested sounded like the ambassador that it was described as.

7. I agree with what he said about the spycicle. It's just OP combined with the DR. Any competent pyro can counter a DR (which he failed to mention as he seemed to be played against a deaf team) using the air blast and flames but the spycicle just counters that.

Overall, I think the reason he sees the DR as not stealthy is because it allows him to get away with being a gunslinger. But that doesn't mean that's the only thing it can do. He purposely stayed back and shot people and made it look like it was the DR solely doing that. He could of had the regular watch, stayed back and shot and cloaked whenever someone got near. He could of also been stealthy if he tried to.

Aaaaaaaaaand. At one point he decloaked right behind 3 reds. The team he was playing against must have been deaf or stupid. Which is what most people in pubs are like an you can't blame value for people not being as good as yourself.

Sorry for it being tl;dr. But it was a long video and those are the 7 points I got from it.

[Nano 7,892]

I had mixed feelings after watching the video. I won't bother taking the time to repeat everything Jor did, but I think he also makes some valid points.

Overall I think pH Tim has a valid argument that the game today is not the same game as it used to be (or was originally intended to be). Whether or not the game is better now than it used to be is up for debate, but impossible to conclude as it is a determination based on as many opinions as there are grains of sand on the beach. When I think of what makes a good game, I want something I enjoy playing. Everything else is up for grabs. New mechanics? Different graphics? Varying difficulties? These and other variable factors help set games apart from one another, but most games still have the same end goal, enjoyment by the user.

To imply that TF2 is a poorer game than it was originally, is a false comparison. The fact of the matter is, the game today is not the same game as the original. It is a new and different game with every patch, every mod, every new gameplay mode, every new item. It's constantly morphing out of necessity to keep interest by it's users and keep the game fun to play. After all, monotony is the downfall of many a game.

[Harlequin 2,975]

First off, thanks for the feedback.

It is a new and different game with every patch, every mod, every new gameplay mode, every new item. It's constantly morphing out of necessity to keep interest by it's users and keep the game fun to play. After all, monotony is the downfall of many a game.

This is the point. 80% of the new weapons that come out seems for me to be there for the f2p guys, just make things easier. e.g. that annhilator...critz in water, removes sappers? Or this maul? Removing sappers?

And he's got also a point when he says: too many weapons kill in 1 shot. As he said, if you tell someone about pyro, he probably will think about a flamethrower. and what makes a good pyro these days? only uses his flamer to poof ppl, and doing dmg with flaregun or axtinguisher...makes no sense. taking a reward from the spy away when he managed to aovid the pyro; kill the engi and sappin his sentry. all the pyro now needs to do is to hit the sentry with a maul and wait for the engi to respawn. what?

Ghost, as I understood, he didn't say that spys can't be stealthy anymore. He just wants to get more spys to use the stock watch instead of DR, because 90% of all spys using the DR in pubs.

I think he only trys to question the evolution of spy gameplay from vanilla days to now.

Just played recently way too long with vanilla loadout on 2fort, and what shall I say - was 2nd MVP all the time (ofc no. 1 was se7en)

managin to get a sneaky assasination on the medic and slip away - leaving confusing enemys behind is much more rewarding then DR into 5 enemys and hope they don't hear you decloaking.

I wouldnt take his video as a major-complaining about items thesedays, (well, I do complain -.-) but in the end it's up to you if you play the game or not, and if you do - what loadout you use.

[Ghost_Jor 583]

I just realized I might of sounded a bit aggressive.... Sorry about that

I don't think he directly said spy's aren't stealthy, but I got the feeling he was implying that. But I have to agree with what you said. It's much more rewarding using the stock weapons (well, except when you headshot a jumping scout with the amby).

With the Neon Annihilator though, I think Valve just went - "How can we make Pyro's EVEN more annoying to spies?". Water should be safe from pyros, and that feeling when a pyro with a Homewrecker comes along after you've killed the engi and sapped his stuff... ;.;

Like Pro said, there's a lot of debate!

[+Dr. Obvious 14,606]

This is the point. 80% of the new weapons that come out seems for me to be there for the f2p guys, just make things easier. e.g. that annhilator...critz in water, removes sappers? Or this maul? Removing sappers?

And he's got also a point when he says: too many weapons kill in 1 shot. As he said, if you tell someone about pyro, he probably will think about a flamethrower. and what makes a good pyro these days? only uses his flamer to poof ppl, and doing dmg with flaregun or axtinguisher...makes no sense. taking a reward from the spy away when he managed to aovid the pyro; kill the engi and sappin his sentry. all the pyro now needs to do is to hit the sentry with a maul and wait for the engi to respawn. what?

With the Neon Annihilator though, I think Valve just went - "How can we make Pyro's EVEN more annoying to spies?". Water should be safe from pyros, and that feeling when a pyro with a Homewrecker comes along after you've killed the engi and sapped his stuff... ;.;

Blah. The Neon Annihilator is annoying to anyone. Stop being self-centered. But i agree that it is absolutely bullshit. Water is supposed to be a Pyro's greatest weakness, not its friend.

In general, the Homewrecker - or the Maul, which is just a reskinned Homewrecker - are not OP. Yes, they can kill sappers. So?

Amb does fucking headshots. Spies can see enemy player's health and name. Spies can run through a Pyro's flame for seconds without being recognised (Blah blah you can hear blah blah right beside a sentry in action, yeah, of course). Spies are close to being unkillable due to DR. I once had to kill a spy 4 times in a row, with a FLAMETHROWER. Are you kidding me?

Spies are not supposed to fucking invisible Snipers with Medic skills, that survive far more damage than an overhealed Heavy.

Put short, stop bitching about the new weps. I hate them, too. The most overpowered classes out there are still Blackbox Soldier, Spycycle/DR Spy, Cuntsman Sniper, Degreaser/Axetinguisher Pyro. Realise that it includes your favourite class. Deal with it.

managin to get a sneaky assasination on the medic and slip away - leaving confusing enemys behind is much more rewarding then DR into 5 enemys and hope they don't hear you decloaking.

Yes, Bloody, i hate you, too. :-P

[Harlequin 2,975]

Oh doc...we really need to get A bottle emptied

[+Dr. Obvious 14,606]

Oh doc...we really need to get A bottle emptied

O.... only one? D8=

[- Mike - 2,728]

>Crits in water

Annnnnd how often are you in water? Get out of 2fort for a little while.

[Harlequin 2,975]

Sorry mike, but I won't adapt my preferred maps to bullshit valve did. Period

[+Dr. Obvious 14,606]

>Crits in water

Annnnnd how often are you in water? Get out of 2fort for a little while.

Get off badwater (hah! Where's the water in there?) for a while. There's quite some maps with water.

Even more ridiculous: this also applies when you are covered with Jarate or Milk... -.-

[- Mike - 2,728]

Get off badwater (hah! Where's the water in there?) for a while. There's quite some maps with water.

Even more ridiculous: this also applies when you are covered with Jarate or Milk... -.-

Mini crits anyhoots. Milk? People use that? crutch weapon like liberty launcher.

[Wampa Stompa 40]

not gonna read the whole book but i agree with mike's synopses

[Harlequin 2,975]

not gonna read the whole book but i agree with mike's synopses

You don't wanna know what's going on and what people are thinking but want to throw your two cents in? Wow. Why to share ones opinion if you don't give a Fuck.thanks for..I don't know.

PS: no offence. Just sitting here in the cold cuz my car died right after I visited the car wash..

Just trying not to fall asleep and freeze to death till that mechanic guy arrives

[+Dr. Obvious 14,606]

You don't wanna know what's going on and what people are thinking but want to throw your two cents in? Wow. Why to share ones opinion if you don't give a Fuck.thanks for..I don't know.

PS: no offence. Just sitting here in the cold cuz my car died right after I visited the car wash..

Just trying not to fall asleep and freeze to death till that mechanic guy arrives

I fully agree with your first paragraph.

Not so much with the second one.

The car problem sucks. -.-

[Harlequin 2,975]

We'll deFinitely take your car on our Spain trip.

[Wampa Stompa 40]

You don't wanna know what's going on and what people are thinking but want to throw your two cents in? Wow. Why to share ones opinion if you don't give a Fuck.thanks for..I don't know.

In a word, yes