My Ban For Being A Member Of Team Win

[Terminator_SRT4 0]

Ok, so I posted this in the main thread about Team Win being banned, but was told to start my own thread, so I pretty much just copied and pasted what I said from the other thread...

Just voicing my thoughts. The only thing that I did was spam chat, annoying and immature...yes, but I highly doubt it ruined anybody's night when they saw me type in "I need your clothes, your boots and your motorcycle" a few times.

I NEVER spammed voice-chat over my mic

I NEVER initiated a vote to kick/ban anyone for no reason (the screenshot Xiel provided of me initiating a vote to ban him was because every single person on the server was thinking that he was cheating, so that was justified.)

So why am I banned? For spamming chat? I won't do it again, I already unbound the keys that I had binded to say stuff, so that's done and I apologize for annoying some people.

I haven't played on any other servers other than Lotus servers for more than 6 months, I don't even know if I know how to find anymore servers, nor do I want to. I finally decided to break down and start donating to Lotus as well, and then less than a week later I'm banned for a reason that I'm still unsure of.

Is it because I'm a member of Team Win? That means that a couple members ruined it for more than 50 members. If there is definitive proof of specific people harassing/disrupting the server by kicking, banning, muting, harassing, etc etc...then ban them. The only thing I have done is spam chat, and I at least am being honest and admitting it and saying that I'm sorry and won't do it again.

I love playing on the lotus servers and I probably won't even play TF2 anymore if I am never able to play on Lotus servers again.

So if you're reading this Mana, thanks for reading it and I hope that after the initial annoyance/anger at all of the Team Win members dies down and you unban the people that truly didn't do anything and if they did do something, then they apologize for it and say that they won't do it again.

So I will never spam chat again if I am unbanned and if I do spam chat and someone takes a screen shot of it and proves that I spammed chat, then ban me permanently.

Sorry for all the Team Win members that did absolutely nothing wrong.

My Steam ID is STEAM_0:0:12812383

[xiel 0]

Ok so I know I have no say in this since I'm not a lotus member but I'll throw my 2 cents in here anyway..

You said this in the other thread here

as others have said, when you play almost everyone thinks that you cheat, that is why, that wasn't for no reason

multiple people on the server were saying that you were cheating and they meant it, that is why I did that

and then in this thread ..

I NEVER initiated a vote to kick/ban anyone for no reason (the screenshot Xiel provided of me initiating a vote to ban him was because every single person on the server was thinking that he was cheating, so that was justified.)

So you’re saying that the 15+ times I was vote kicked/banned the other night was because “multiple people on the server were saying I was cheating and they meant it!†So you personally have no idea one way or the other you’re just going with what other people are saying. And that’s ok because you’re not “vote kicking/banning for the hell of itâ€. As long as other people (in TECHNO and Team Win) say it, it must be true so you’re justified in whatever you do? Yeah there’s nothing at all wrong with that way of thinking …

I apologize for singling you out because you’re right, you really aren’t the problem, it’s the people who have brain washed you into believing shit that isn’t true. “He’s cheating ban him!†“He’s useless kick him!†and you just follow along.

The only thing I can say is if you're unbanned (I hope you are) and this goes for most of the Team Win people. If you think someone is cheating don't just take someone elses word for it. Spectate the person yourself and if you really think it's true do what the server tells you to do. Make a demo and post it here. Don't just listen to a few angry people who are pissed because they're dieing.

and for the record I DON'T CHEAT

.. that is all

[xiel 0]

xiel,ive never spectated you or anything but didnt you admint to aimbotting?or was that just a joke?

I've said stupid things like "I have a l33t Demoman aimbot" or "fear my Medigun hax" and stuff to that effect before as a joke. This of course happened long after I was already labeled as a cheater. My first catch phrase was "I have a goal of being votebanned at least once per day!". But that got old since it was happening 30 times a day anyway

But since I don't cheat it was a joke.

[TF2guy 1]

TBH, I feel kind of bad for this guy, I do think he knows he made a mistake. Probably just fell in with the wrong guys. Maybe a short term ban eh?

[Terminator_SRT4 0]

Xiel, you're right, I shouldn't just automatically assume you're cheating based off of what everyone says. But you have to admit that on a server with 32 people when the majority of people are saying you're cheating...it's kind of hard to not think you are. Especially when I've played with you multiple times before and have heard you being labeled as a cheater. So I apologize for assuming, that was my mistake.

[Deadeye 0]

It's nature to accuse you of cheating, when you don't check your back for 30 seconds I uncloak run across a sniper deck and you wheel around and headshot me out of nowhere.

When stuff like this happens multiple times it feels kind of obvious.

I'v seen xiel snipe then stop then look off to the other end of the sniper deck and instaheadshot a spy going up the stairs without missing a beat.

Stuff like that makes it feel more than just paranoia.

However I don't think you aimbot. Iv played aimbotters and really good snipers. You miss shots and are not instant always.

However your ability to wheel around instantly whenever a spy is around is uncanny.

If you had anything it would be in my opinion one of those different sounds for spy uncloak or spy knife sheath.

ex: the alarm noise, or something similar

Back to the point though, votekicks and bans are extremely annoying and ruin the fun. Those who spam them should face some consequences. Not permaban, but a ban of some kind possibly.

[Terminator_SRT4 0]

Back to the point though, votekicks and bans are extremely annoying and ruin the fun. Those who spam them should face some consequences. Not permaban, but a ban of some kind possibly.

You're exactly right, votekicks and votebans that are spammed over and over are annoying, and I don't want to name names...but there really are only 2 people that I've witnessed that do it over and over and over.

I think I've used votekick once and that was to get rid of an AFK where 100% of the people voted yes, and the only voteban I did was with Xiel, which I've already explained why I did that and apologized for it since I personally haven't witnessed him hacking....I've only gotten shot over and over by him :/

So once again, the only thing that I really did wrong was spam the text chat, I bound a key to say a line from one of the Terminator movies....which you can ask most people and they'll tell you it was more amusing than annoying. I will NOT spam again and have unbound the key. So I'm sorry once again if I annoyed anyone by spamming the text.

[Ahti 0]

Just because people think he is cheating doesn't mean he is, the vote ban wasn't justified at all. And the whole chat spamming thing happens more than just a few times and really doesn't help your case here (BTW most things get old after the first two times).

Also, it's funny to see how biased people can be when posting about themselves.

Side note: Xiel doesn't hack for the people that still thinks that he does, you should jump/strafe/crouch more and/or suck less.

Edited May 1, 2009 by Ahti

[Storm38 Team Win 0]

I don't understand why people are complaining about Terminator "Chat Spamming". He does it after the winning round, not in game, not harassing. Just look at Crytek with his "ALL ME. ALL CRYTEK" or "WORST TEAM EVER". People are now looking for any dirt they can find to ban people, and will tattle when they see it.

[Ahti 0]

Crytek does do it but he doesn't spam it ten times at the end of every round. Chat spamming at terminator level isn't a banable offense its just annoying.

[Storm38 Team Win 0]

Crytek does do it but he doesn't spam it ten times at the end of every round. Chat spamming at terminator level isn't a banable offense its just annoying.

If it is just annoying and not a banable offense, why bring it up? My point being people will say anything and reword anything to make it sound like your at fault. I sure Terminator quoting movies and saying "Your going to love my nuts" isn't hurting anyone.

[Terminator_SRT4 0]

You said it isn't helping my case saying that I was spamming text? At least I'm being honest and am admitting what I've done wrong here and saying that I'm sorry for it and that I won't do it again. As I've said before this is the only thing that I have really done wrong, which is possibly annoy some people with saying the same thing over and over. I apologize for it and I really won't do it again.

[autopsyguy 0]

Unban the terminator guy, hes cool, and I dont even recall him spamming that much. The issue here is

the uber gayness of the bearbreath aka father and his sidekick sodapop. terminator was not involved in that.

I think Mana got his point across crystal clear, they should get their own server and then they are free to

blow each other all day long.

[Fluid 1]

So why am I banned? For spamming chat? I won't do it again, I already unbound the keys that I had binded to say stuff, so that's done and I apologize for annoying some people.

Keep the ban, at least for a month. The mere fact you have your spam bound to keys is enough of a smoking gun for punishment. Plus, I will vouch for how much spam you contributed. A month off should give you time to reevaluate your priorities.

[GeodeLX 2]

Just knowing how to bind makes a person suspect? Or is it "people who bind for chat spam"? I've seen lots of people spamming chat ("Worst Team Ever", "All <playername>", etc.) but I don't see them up for a month-long hiatus. Sorry, Fluid, but I disagree with your position here.

I also think Terminator has made his apologies and stated his intentions to make amends/do better. He seems like a decent guy to me, and it sounds like he's trying to do the right thing. There are a few whom I would encourage to take a break from the game, but since I'm not posting many "supporting" entries in these forums, I don't think it's right for me to post "against" entries (guys/gals -- if you're not sure where I stand with you and you're concerned, PM me. Heh... not that it matters what I think).

I'm just hoping that Mana (et al) will do the right thing, too.

Hope to see y'all back in the game soon.

-- GeodeLX (the ancient one)

[Fluid 1]

Granted, I've only been in the scene since HL1, so maybe I don't know. Do people really bind chat to keys? (I.E. YOU'VE BEEN TERMINATED) Seems like an invitation for spam. I was simply saying having text that isn't strategic bound to keys seems a little suspicious. Regardless, it's not like more facts are needed.

[Darth Vader 0]

I would support terminators unbanning, He's been a quality player and although he would occasionaly repost the same line (honestly it wasn't even enough to call it spam) it was done only at the beginning/end of a match. He has done very little to warrant a ban.

[Terminator_SRT4 0]

Keep the ban, at least for a month. The mere fact you have your spam bound to keys is enough of a smoking gun for punishment. Plus, I will vouch for how much spam you contributed. A month off should give you time to reevaluate your priorities.

Reevaluate my priorities? You serious? I already said that I won't spam and have unbound the keys....the way you make it sound is that it is in my nature to spam in text and I need to reeavluate my life and realize that I need to change as a person...lol...seriously, I unbound the keys, that's it, I apologized for it and said I can understand how it can be annoying. There's countless other players that spam text and nothing happens...this whole ban isn't even about spamming text, it's about people spamming votekicks/votebans which I never did that except for one time to Xiel and we already went over that, the only reaosn why spamming the text is even being brought up is because I said the only thing I really did that was wrong was spam text, people have even said it isn't really a bannable offense.

This ban is about the fact that the teams were being stacked and anytime anyone on the other team would ask to scramble the teams, 2 certain individuals would immediately initiate a vote to kick or ban them, and I did not initiate any of those votes. Multiple people on here have pointed out the 2 individuals by name. So those 2 should be banned, but not everyone else. If someone takes the time to come on here and admit they may have done something wrong and state their case as to why they'd like to be unbanned and they say that they will not do what they did wrong again, that's a lot better than the people who don't give a shit about being banned or they ask to be unbanned but don't even admit what they did.

So I'm sorry for spamming text once again and I will NOT do it anymore.

[Storm38 Team Win 0]

Every time I've been playing with terminator and when he spams, no body complains about it. Not one fucking person said "Terminator, knock that shit off." So I find it extremely hard that this "spamming" would even be considered for ban. Show me one person who complained about his spamming prior to the banning of [Team Win].

[Mana 3,867]

Unban vote results:

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Your unban request has been denied! Yay!