Banned

[Father 0]

I was one of the many people banned in the recent Techno/Team Win Mass bannings. As far as the douchebaggery Mana was referencing I guess I am at fault. I initiated at least one votekick against xiel to keep him from the server. I have never vote muted anyone or votekicked anyone other than xiel from the server if my memory serves me. So principally votekicking xiel is what I am responsible for.

I have for months remained diligent in looking for hackers, including reporting them and getting them banned -- just look up my posts. I was under the impression from demos I had taken and submitted that Xiel was using some form of third party software for either spy detection or aimbotting. Apparently that is not the case and he is most likely the best TF2 Sniper I've ever played against. I'd be willing to formally apologize to him if that would help my unbanning.

As far as preventing my kicking of Xiel in the future, since that is what I am solely responsible for as far as being an asshole officially is concerned, I can make a firm guarantee that it will never happen again. He seems to be incredibly skilled and if it's Mana's wish that he play wherever he pleases then I would not want to do anything different.

I realize near 100% of Lotus Clan members hate me for some unknown reason so I imagine this entire post will fall on deaf ears. I figured I'd just humbly come here and ask to be unbanned since I play with Puppy Breath and she wanted me to come here and ask at least. So I would just beg of you to let this go and let me apologize to Xiel. I was just overzealous in assuming he hacked and I was wrong. I dont think I've done anything actively against any other server-goer to justify my permanent banning. Here's my steam ID:STEAM_0:1:243129

[zealous 0]

i hope this isnt preaching to the choir , but Father is a good person. i was not online to witness the whole situation, but i believe everyone deserves a second chance.

a server is made up of the ppl, and father, along with puppy breath , are iconic , almost in a sense, for the lotus server--along with brandon, burner, deadeye, and etc. when i first found the server and started playing they were there and truly played TF2 to its namesake. they played as a team member and supported each their respective teams. they would alternate being medics for the whole team, or engineers and etc, to help the team win and have fun. i never liked other servers with ppl who played as though it was a solo game about racking up kills. and having ppl like Father and his girlfriend, Puppy breath, play on Lotus always made me return.

as i have mentioned before, a server for a game like TF2 is made up of people and people are only human. and humans make mistakes.

please reconsider this one transgression that Father has done against his previous record as a player on the server and role in trying to keep cheaters off. i will not argue with whether he was right or wrong, or if he was being a douche or not since i was not online and cant say. but he has come around with what i believe is a sincere apology , and i believe he would refrain from such acts in the future.

the guy just wants to play with his girlfriend. sure there are other servers, but we have come to grow as a family on the Lotus server. relationships can be rocky at times, even for an online family , and i hope forgiveness is in ppl's heart.

p/s.: i have noticed that there is a trend of ppl who were wronged by the incident that took place to comment and scoff at ppl who are now banned. seriously? no need to throw dirt at ppl who were kicked...

[TF2guy 1]

p/s.: i have noticed that there is a trend of ppl who were wronged by the incident that took place to comment and scoff at ppl who are now banned. seriously? no need to throw dirt at ppl who were kicked...

Seriously?...WTF!? How about the "new" people to the servers that played one time and were spam votekicked for a joke? What joke btw? At they're expense? They probably still have no idea what they did to get kicked. This is a prime example of why just anyone should NOT be handed admin rights. Sorry, but these bans have more than given us the "normal" people that pay and play regularly on Mana's server new faith in him as a just admin. The lotus guys did the right thing...And I can more than speak for myself...good riddence.

[Father 0]

Seriously?...WTF!? How about the "new" people to the servers that played one time and were spam votekicked for a joke? What joke btw? At they're expense? They probably still have no idea what they did to get kicked. This is a prime example of why just anyone should NOT be handed admin rights. Sorry, but these bans have more than given us the "normal" people that pay and play regularly on Mana's server new faith in him as a just admin. The lotus guys did the right thing...And I can more than speak for myself...good riddence.

I think who he is referring to is people who like himself who do not even possess admin rights but were banned for being part of a particular steam group. There are a few people who have been posting on people's ban appeal requests with nothing of value to say but to make those affected team win members feel stupid and/or bad for no good reason.

I would also appreciate if you kept these sorts of posts in private messages at those users whose comments you have issue with since everything you're referencing has nothing to do with my initial post. Thank you

[+Henry Spencer 117]

Seriously?...WTF!? How about the "new" people to the servers that played one time and were spam votekicked for a joke? What joke btw? At they're expense? They probably still have no idea what they did to get kicked. This is a prime example of why just anyone should NOT be handed admin rights. Sorry, but these bans have more than given us the "normal" people that pay and play regularly on Mana's server new faith in him as a just admin. The lotus guys did the right thing...And I can more than speak for myself...good riddence.

You are now a nuisance. Go away.

[TF2guy 1]

Actually you ppl voteban one of my friends, the poor guy did nothing, First time ever on a lotus server, AFTER I told him how cool the servers were. Nothing I hate more than a pathetic looser in real life who takes it out on innocent people on the net. And all becuase you think your untouchable. Now that you got slapped, I'll say everytime, I love it. But NO, You come back and whine about how unfair it all is.

Whats that country song? "So much cooler on-line". No so much eh?

To those saying I'm spamming, sorry, this is one of the few times the little guy wins. I love it. Read through the forums and you can see for yourselfs how long this shit has gone on. Again, Thanks Mana from those of us who are not part of some geek club/rage group. We are just your average Joe's wanting a peacful game.

[+Henry Spencer 117]

The problem is the continued arrogant attitude. It was great to be excited, at first. Hell, you won a great victory for mankind! But instead of letting it go and letting US deal with it, you keep going on...

and on...

and on...

and on...

and on...

and quite frankly, nobody gives a shit about your opinion anymore. Anything you say has no bearing on whether they come back or stay banned.

So please... deflate your ego a bit and kindly GTFO.

[Grim Reefer 0]

I'm going to have to second what Henry Spencer said. I'm sure many others are with me on this one.

And I agree, Father as well as all the other wrongly banned players are assets to the server, particularly the 24/7 goldrush #2 server. I don't see the server being nearly as popular anymore unless this banning bullshit is corrected.

[FunkyFresh 68]

Aye, Father is a beasty of a player. Doesn't 'cause trouble or nothin', imo.

<3

[Mana 3,867]

A vote is going to happen.

The results of the last vote has been posted:

http://forums.gamingterritory.com/index.ph...ost&p=66004

All members and recruits can vote for Wonka, Mr Pain, Father here: http://forums.gamingterritory.com/index.php?showtopic=7362

Results will be known as soon as there's a minimum of 10 votes.

[dubey 1]

Who were the 10 people that voted in the last poll? I play on goldrush 2 pretty regularly and up until a couple of days ago I've never seen Terminator do anything to disrupt the server. He spammed the chat after wins but that's it, during the actual rounds he didn't do anything.

I think it's pretty obvious at least 7 of those people are voting to ban "just because" and I bet few, if any, actually play on goldrush 2 enough to form an opinion of him (or anyone). I don't think the votes are very fair, especially if they result in permanent bans.

[Deadeye 0]

Woah woah woah....why is wonka being voted on?

The guy doesnt even use a mic and rarely uses text chat. He uses voice commands. I really dont see why wonka is even up for vote.

[Mana 3,867]

Woah woah woah....why is wonka being voted on?

The guy doesnt even use a mic and rarely uses text chat. He uses voice commands. I really dont see why wonka is even up for vote.

A vote form can have up to 3 question, therefore I needed 2 more.

[Terminator_SRT4 0]

Who were the 10 people that voted in the last poll? I play on goldrush 2 pretty regularly and up until a couple of days ago I've never seen Terminator do anything to disrupt the server. He spammed the chat after wins but that's it, during the actual rounds he didn't do anything.

I think it's pretty obvious at least 7 of those people are voting to ban "just because" and I bet few, if any, actually play on goldrush 2 enough to form an opinion of him (or anyone). I don't think the votes are very fair, especially if they result in permanent bans.

It's exactly what I expected to happen. Just like you said, people are voting to keep me banned for no reason. They don't know me, haven't played with me, and apparently haven't read anything that I've been typing. Considering I said, and everyone else agrees with me, that I have NEVER spammed votekicks/votebans and the only thing I have EVER done is spam chat after winning a round....THAT'S IT PEOPLE!! How does that warrant a permanent ban?! Oh wait...becuase it's the internet, you're never going to know me in real life so you don't give a shit what you do or say to people and don't even both to look at the facts.

It's been stated so many times that there were only 2-3 individuals who actually might deserve a ban, so I have no idea how none of the Lotus clan members can understand that? Maybe it's just me...but you are all acting exactly like the individuals who deserved this ban. They were kicking/banning people for absolutely no reason....just because they said "hey guys, can we scramble the teams"...and look at you guys, myself and almost every single other person from this "team win ban" do not deserve to be banned as we did nothing wrong....yet you're banning us anyway. Makes absolutely no sense.

You're all calling us a bunch of immature assholes? I at least apologized, even though all I did was spam chat after winning a round, and said that I would not spam chat again. I had no part in the spamming of votekicks/votebans. But here you all are voting to permanently ban me just for the hell of it....

[GeodeLX 2]

It's certainly been an interesting introduction to Mana and the others in Lotus. Or rather, a re-introduction, post-donation.

[myelin 10]

From a business perspective, these choices don't make much sense. Many members of [Team Win] and [TECHNO] donate to your servers. I've spoken with many members of each organization (mainly Storm38 and Bear Breath) and they indicated remorse for their actions.

There is no indication at this point that these players wouldn't keep donating to your servers monthly. If you ban them indefinitely, you're going to loose money. If the issues that occurred exceed that of monetary gain, then by all means, keep the bans.

Both of our organizations are growing by the day. Our members ask how to donate because they want to have the same privileges that we do. We want to play on your servers. If we can't come to a reasonable conclusion, I don't know if our members will continue to play on your servers, let alone donate. I don't know, as this will be their decision. I know that personally, I donated $25 to play, but now Storm38 and Father (2 people that I enjoy playing with) are unable to play. We've been meeting on other servers to play with each other because we are unable to do so on Lotus. If that continues, I will be forced to play elsewhere, therefore not renewing my donation at the end of this month. I'd love to do so as I enjoy your servers.

[Terminator_SRT4 0]

Same goes for me, I just started donating but I planned on donating every month as I enjoy the servers so much. As I stated before, I haven't played on anything other than Lotus servers for over 6 months.

[Grim Reefer 0]

I just hate that I recently renewed my donator status for 3 fuckin months. And then Mana goes and bans the whole fucking group. I'm so pissed and either want the unban or my fuckin money back!

[GeodeLX 2]

I told Mana in a PM that it looks funny, getting donations from people and then banning them. Realistically, it is doubtful that the removal of these two groups from their donator pool would have any financial impact: there are new people playing on the servers all the time. Ethically speaking, it seems that receiving donations from players does put some responsibility on the part of Mana/Lotus to deal with bans in a more responsible way. Sure, if the teams (Techno, Team Win, etc.) made donations as a team, then they should be dealt with as a team. Or, if a significant percentage of the teams had these poor behaviors then it would make sense to deal with them as a team. To be fair, I don't know what kind of load Mana has to deal with. Perhaps he needs to delegate some responsibility to trusted lieutenants within his organization so he's not doing so much of the work (and then could help make decisions properly). Given my exposure to Lotus (Mana and Henry whats-his-face), I'm not sure Mana has such help available. I *can* see how being exposed to just two members of a group/clan can leave an impression about the rest of the group, so I can see how it might have been applied to Techno and Team Win based on exposure to just a few. Some good lessons for all:

1) You're known by the company you keep.

2) Don't judge a group by the behavior of a few.

[Storm38 Team Win 0]

Mana's lost my money. It's simply poor business. I'm a customer and I'm damn sure because of me playing on the server I have made other people donate as well. You don't treat people that have donating money to you like that. You don't have to graduate from business school to know that.

[myelin 10]

Mana's lost my money. It's simply poor business. I'm a customer and I'm damn sure because of me playing on the server I have made other people donate as well. You don't treat people that have donating money to you like that. You don't have to graduate from business school to know that.

I donated because Grim Reefer, Storm38, and Balls Deep kept nagging me about it

[Grim Reefer 0]

^ I echo the sentiments by Storm and Myelin.

I donated because Balls Deep and Myelin and Storm and Father got their hats. Little info: I am a stingy motherfucker and never donate--especially to online TF2 servers. It's all about the community for me, though, and now the community for the Lotus goldrush #2 is shot to shit from the mass-ban. Guess my money will be going elsewhere now. But hey, it won't affect Lotus, will it?

[Mana 3,867]

The members and recruits were informed of what happened and have made their decisions. Here is the latest vote:

Out of 3 people selected only 1 was deemed unworthy of an unban at this time.

That concludes our voting for the time being.