Ban Request - Obama Bin Laden

[Dyntai 0]

Stock 4 East coast server

Obama Is one of the well known aimbotters on the servers. Many regulars were on and we just were sick and tired of him getting top 2 as sniper. So i took a demo. In the demos you can see he doesnt put his crosshair fully over the hitboxes of the person and he constantly moves before he shoots. When he shoots and his crosshair is off body you see blood come out of the other person. If you google some videos on how to set up the aimbots there is an option they have which is for fov. His is pretty low the lower it is the less obvious but then if you don't get close to the body like he does sometimes it still tries to snap over the person's hitbox but misses. First demo has it this while second one has it snapping over some heads.

some regulars on at the time

Me

Subject

Dar

Injun joe

jojo da clown

PoPo

Subhuman

domo

zeph

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=4QXC8Q23

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=H9GYLZNA

# 2852 "OBAMA BIN LADEN" STEAM_0:0:30670963 15:05 122 0 active

[Zoolus 5]

Stock 4 East coast server

Obama Is one of the well known aimbotters on the servers. Many regulars were on and we just were sick and tired of him getting top 2 as sniper. So i took a demo. In the demos you can see he doesnt put his crosshair fully over the hitboxes of the person and he constantly moves before he shoots. When he shoots and his crosshair is off body you see blood come out of the other person. If you google some videos on how to set up the aimbots there is an option they have which is for fov. His is pretty low the lower it is the less obvious but then if you don't get close to the body like he does sometimes it still tries to snap over the person's hitbox but misses. First demo has it this while second one has it snapping over some heads.

some regulars on at the time

Me

Subject

Dar

Injun joe

jojo da clown

PoPo

Subhuman

domo

zeph

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=4QXC8Q23

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=H9GYLZNA

# 2852 "OBAMA BIN LADEN" STEAM_0:0:30670963 15:05 122 0 active

O hi, I'm Zoolus also known as "OBAMA BIN LADEN"

And I come to defend myself.

First of, you do know that spectator mode in source based games is very flawed and inaccurate, right?

http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Source_Multiplayer_Networking

Simplified; You don't see what the person sees on his screen, this is why people gets 'shot behind a wall' even though they're behind it on their screen.

On your screen, my crosshair is off the body but it is actually on the body on MY screen.

It's kind of funny how you only name the regulars that has been suspecting me, but not the ones that disagrees with your accusations.

You've been trying to rile up people on the server to get them to ban me and slander about me, which just shows what for disrespectful and arrogant brat you are.

Sometimes, even trying to grief me by going pyro and joining my time and blowing fire in front of my scope. (Which I have a demo of.)

Before you start thinking that the shots I do are impossible.

^

This is -jh- he has been voted the best sniper of Europe many times. He is also one of the few people who inspired me to play sniper when I first joined TF2.

You can find plenty more ESL snipers on youtube.

Good day.

[Injun_joe 0]

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=14SZ3Z9W

(Pretty sure this is the demo that shows the server voting 22 to 3 in favor of BANNING Obama)

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=MDFTTD2G

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=RSQZKJY0

Here are some of the demos that I recorded pretty much the map after Dyntai posted this request. If you observe OBAMA you can definitely see that he misses a lot and dies a decent amount. You can see it mostly when his aim snaps instantly to a players head.

Keep in mind his ping is on average about 90, so that's why when I'm speccing him I see the player model before he reacts.

You can see in this gif that when he legitimately misses, the reticule continues to move. But when it hits, it's a SNAP and LOCK

So I believe the thing to watch for is the SNAP to and DEAD stop that you can see in these gifs. Zoolus is right in that what we observe is not the same as whats seen on someones screen. But just watch the snap and how it gets to the targets head area, it takes a linear path, aka the quickest path from point to point, and then it dies as if it's hit a wall. That's because it's not being aimed by a hand, but by a computer program's mathematics.

Banned from other servers for similar observed actions: http://www.sourceop.com/modules.php?name=SOPBans&o=id_details&id=6764

If you look on this page it reveals an IP address that links to another USER ID (STEAM_0:1:19685724) also being banned for similar actions across multiple Source games:

http://www.sourceop.com/modules.php?name=SOPBans&o=id_details&id=6373

http://www.theoc-gaming.com/index.php?topic=29122.0

http://bans.left4green.com/index.php?p=banlist&searchText=STEAM_0:1:19685724&Submit

[Dyntai 0]

Simplified; You don't see what the person sees on his screen, this is why people gets 'shot behind a wall' even though they're behind it on their screen.

On your screen, my crosshair is off the body but it is actually on the body on MY screen.

It's kind of funny how you only name the regulars that has been suspecting me, but not the ones that disagrees with your accusations.

You've been trying to rile up people on the server to get them to ban me and slander about me, which just shows what for disrespectful and arrogant brat you are.

Sometimes, even trying to grief me by going pyro and joining my time and blowing fire in front of my scope. (Which I have a demo of.)

first off the first thing you said is number 1 on the hackers try to get out of ban posts.I can see the same thing posted millions of times and yet get the real facts about it. Yea it is true what you see on your screen is different from what demos show.

but you aren't looking at the big parts. You are nowhere near the hitboxes on the demos even if you are on the hitboxes on your screen it wouldn't make the crosshair snap like yours does.

Also there are aimbots out there if you look them up with a fov option. cough cough maybe if you dig deep you can find it in your c drive. This gives the ability to set how close to the person's hitbox you need to get to have it snap over their hitbox.

It's kindof suspecious that yours changes a lot aka gets smaller trying to hide the truth whenever you have someone accuse you. Like in one of DAR's videos the medic running around the wall his hitbox was still within range, it snaped onto it when there was obviously only a few pixels left of his hitbox there

second i would have posted more and more regulars that would agree with me but the list would be too long.would you like the whole 40+??

and third the only time i did that was before the round and that was once so if you think it was me gg.

[Zoolus 5]

first off the first thing you said is number 1 on the hackers try to get out of ban posts.I can see the same thing posted millions of times and yet get the real facts about it. Yea it is true what you see on your screen is different from what demos show.

but you aren't looking at the big parts. You are nowhere near the hitboxes on the demos even if you are on the hitboxes on your screen it wouldn't make the crosshair snap like yours does.

Also there are aimbots out there if you look them up with a fov option. cough cough maybe if you dig deep you can find it in your c drive. This gives the ability to set how close to the person's hitbox you need to get to have it snap over their hitbox.

It's kindof suspecious that yours changes a lot aka gets smaller trying to hide the truth whenever you have someone accuse you. Like in one of DAR's videos the medic running around the wall his hitbox was still within range, it snaped onto it when there was obviously only a few pixels left of his hitbox there

second i would have posted more and more regulars that would agree with me but the list would be too long.would you like the whole 40+??

and third the only time i did that was before the round and that was once so if you think it was me gg.

What are you, some kind of hacking expert? You seem to know more of hacks, than I do.

Fiction is not facts, bro.

Did you even bother reading the aforementioned links? It seems not.

> You are nowhere near the hitboxes on the demos even if you are on the hitboxes on your screen it wouldn't make the crosshair snap like yours does.

It's called LAG COMPENSATION.

It is WHY snipers can hit other people that got a smooth ping of 30, if the server THINKS you hit the person, it is a HIT.

Having a high ping will even net you an advantage against those who have a lower ping, due to the reaction advantages.

Go google it, as I can't be bothered to write a tl;dr about said info.

Lol, right. :sarcasm:

He was strafing left and right if memory serves me well, I was trying to kill him and try to go for his head, big deal?

What is your point.

I see, so democracy makes right? If 40 people (No matter how clueless and mind-numbingly retarded they are) says someone is a hacker, it must obviously be true?

Your logic is very VERY flawed.

You might want to rethink your next argument.

Not from what I heard from others, once more, I won't call names, otherwise, they might get gangbanged by the bandwagon.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=14SZ3Z9W

(Pretty sure this is the demo that shows the server voting 22 to 3 in favor of BANNING Obama)

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=MDFTTD2G

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=RSQZKJY0

Here are some of the demos that I recorded pretty much the map after Dyntai posted this request. If you observe OBAMA you can definitely see that he misses a lot and dies a decent amount. You can see it mostly when his aim snaps instantly to a players head.

Keep in mind his ping is on average about 90, so that's why when I'm speccing him I see the player model before he reacts.

Banned from other servers for similar observed actions: http://www.sourceop.com/modules.php?name=SOPBans&o=id_details&id=6764

If you look on this page it reveals an IP address that links to another USER ID (STEAM_0:1:19685724) also being banned for similar actions across multiple Source games:

http://www.sourceop.com/modules.php?name=SOPBans&o=id_details&id=6373

http://www.theoc-gaming.com/index.php?topic=29122.0

http://bans.left4green.com/index.php?p=banlist&searchText=STEAM_0:1:19685724&Submit

Yep, as there's no such thing called dynamic IP, eh? If your host supports dynamic IP, your IP changes all the time or when you unplug the modem and plug it in, as IPs so to speak 'rotates'

I've been banned from old skool Quake 1 servers back when we used you know 'modems' from a lot of public servers due to blatant hackers, every time you log on your modem your IP changes.

As you can see, he is using Chello just like I am and is living in the same region.

If you don't believe my ISP supports dynamic IPs, go look it up yourself.

This is why hardware scanning is much more efficient. :sarcasm:

MMOs uses this method to permanently rid hackers if they scan for your HD-ID of your proccessor, which can't be manually changed and is hard 'grifted' into it.

As for the other servers, I have been banned from some public servers, big deal? Why haven't I been banned from "Pro like Cho" where the competent players play.

[Dyntai 0]

since you took nearly 30minutes to reply to my post i'll leave this to the lotus admins to consult amongst each other.

[Zoolus 5]

since you took nearly 30minutes to reply to my post i'll leave this to the lotus admins to consult amongst each other.

I am playing TF2, that and you're starting to lose your relevance to me as you keep going in circles and repeating yourself like a broken record player, denying my lecture about lag compensation and whatnot.

Once you're able to understand what I say, then expect effort from me.

Good day.

[DAR 0]

It's kind of funny how you only name the regulars that has been suspecting me, but not the ones that disagrees with your accusations.

You've been trying to rile up people on the server to get them to ban me and slander about me, which just shows what for disrespectful and arrogant brat you are.

Sometimes, even trying to grief me by going pyro and joining my time and blowing fire in front of my scope. (Which I have a demo of.)

Good day.

It's kinda funny how you name regs who don't think you hack and accuse them of thinking you hack. Zephyr never said that you hack, and I don't really think you hack, but your ambassador shots are kinda sketchy. You know, your slandering to defend yourself just shows what an arrogant and disrespectful brat you are.

Good day.

[Zoolus 5]

It's kinda funny how you name regs who don't think you hack and accuse them of thinking you hack. Zephyr never said that you hack, and I don't really think you hack, but your ambassador shots are kinda sketchy. You know, your slandering to defend yourself just shows what an arrogant and disrespectful brat you are.

Good day.

I haven't slandered anyone once. I'm not the one screaming bloody hacker or doing any other low acts to get someone off a server that I don't like.

So do eloborate my fine man, how am I arrogant and disrespectful if I am not the aggressor here.

If you meant the ambassaddor sniping back at dustbowl, I was dicking around out of boredom. I can show you the demo of that so you can see from my point of view.

Edit: You can see for yourself that most of my shots aren't instant HSs that people like to assume.

[+Henry Spencer 117]

Lotus admins consult each other? That's an lol-worthy statement.

I'll watch the demos when I'm not hung over.

[DAR 0]

I haven't slandered anyone once. I'm not the one screaming bloody hacker or doing any other low acts to get someone off a server that I don't like.

So do eloborate my fine man, how am I arrogant and disrespectful if I am not the aggressor here.

Nice troll attempt.

[jeffro53081 1]

I'm sure glad someone else made this thread. I spec'd him for quite a while and he didn't seem too bad. He would miss occasionally and not every hit was a headshot (though most are, the stat page says he's at about 88%). Now, I'm no expert on hackers and it's very possible he knew I was spectating him since almost everyone was accusing him of hacking that day.

I think the most telling thing is when he plays ambassador spy - no disguise, no cloak. He bobs and weaves from across the map like a sniper, headshotting people. I hope that is on one of those demos because I would like to see that myself.

Edited March 25, 2010 by jeffro53081

[Zoolus 5]

I'm sure glad someone else made this thread. I spec'd him for quite a while and he didn't seem too bad. He would miss occasionally and not every hit was a headshot (though most are, the stat page says he's at about 88%). Now, I'm no expert on hackers and it's very possible he knew I was spectating him since almost everyone was accusing him of hacking that day.

I think the most telling thing is when he plays ambassador spy - no disguise, no cloak. He bobs and weaves from across the map like a sniper, headshotting people. I hope that is on one of those demos because I would like to see that myself.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=7TBG42AQ

There you go.

I tend to go for headshots as much as possible.

Even when I have to fight against scouts or anyone that jumped me in close quarters.

Sometimes I manage to pull off some miracle shots either by reflex luck or concentration, but as you can guess. I die most of the time trying.

Scouts are very hard to hit when they move around unpredictably.

If they use up their double jump into a single direction

You can usually predict where he is going to land or move, just like soldiers who rocket jump into a easy direction.

Soldiers work this way too, they're easy to headshot in mid-air if you know when he is going to descend and pop off a shot right at that location.

Nice troll attempt.

Well, good for you son.

[DAR 0]

Well, good for you son.

[Zoolus 5]

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=VD2137YJ

Oh look, it's the magical snapping to the head phenonema!

do note as soon as the guy that hates me joins the server, he tries and ragevote me.

[Midnight Lasers 0]

People were complainin so I watched this guy.

http://rapidshare.com/files/368260222/obama1.dem.html

Theres a demo, he's clearly snapping.

Time for bed ^^

[+Henry Spencer 117]

Y'all are fuckin' stupid. If I wasn't going to bed, I'd just remove your posting privledges until the mess is straightened out.

Not you Lasers. <3

[DAR 0]

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=VD2137YJ

Oh look, it's the magical snapping to the head phenonema!

do note as soon as the guy that hates me joins the server, he tries and ragevote me.

rofl

Sorry for the "U MAD", but I couldn't resist. Frankly though, you should be directing your irritation to someone else. I don't want this to turn into 4chan with "NO U" and "U MAD." I'm not the one who said you cheated. I'm no haxxing expert, but I think if you were aimbotting with the Amby, then you'd get me with more than 2 headshots out of 6 or so shots.

[Shiny Charizard 451]

I think everyone can agree with me on this.

Nothing proves your point like a reaction image thread.

From that demo he makes a bunch of crazy shots but isn't mowing down dozens of people. I'm not an admin, just giving my opinion.

*SPEC* -G- Midnight Lasers : how do you stop a recording again?

That made me laugh a little.

Edited March 26, 2010 by CHARIZARD

[Bombz 31]

Proof right there in my opinion. Locks on, then stops and then goes to try and shoot the scout again in spite of the fact that there's a Sniper right there aiming at him.

[DAR 0]

I think everyone can agree with me on this.

Nothing proves your point like a reaction image thread.

From that demo he makes a bunch of crazy shots but isn't mowing down dozens of people. I'm not an admin, just giving my opinion.

*SPEC* -G- Midnight Lasers : how do you stop a recording again?

That made me laugh a little.

Charizard I LOVE your picture. And thanks, I think reaction image threads get the point across.

Proof right there in my opinion. Locks on, then stops and then goes to try and shoot the scout again in spite of the fact that there's a Sniper right there aiming at him.

Thanks for posting this. I couldn't play the stuff Dyntai posted. What is up with that huntsman to the left though? Is that another teammate?

[+Henry Spencer 117]

That last .gif is pretty damning. There's a clear lock-on, a break to make it not look too suspicious, then a lock and kill on the original target, even though there is another, more dangerous target staring him in the face.

Banned.

[Zoolus 5]

That last .gif is pretty damning. There's a clear lock-on, a break to make it not look too suspicious, then a lock and kill on the original target, even though there is another, more dangerous target staring him in the face.

Banned.

Protip: The one that spectated me had a huge ping difference.

I was watching that point where the scout came from, when he ran out of the door I started to aim for him.

The sniper in the gif, wasn't on MY screen til later (Ever heard of this thing called the 'scope?' which spec won't show and on demo. ) and when I was aiming at the scout that time, I didn't see him later.

I've already explained the miracles of lagcompensation and extrapolation in source games and how spectators don't see everything accurately on their screen when they spectate someone.

Or do you assume that I am a super computer and I have super reflexes all the time and make no mistakes?

Try reading my posts next time, tyvm.

[+Henry Spencer 117]

Problem is, even with 250-ish ping, you clearly LOCKED ONTO THE SCOUT'S HEAD, traveled with it for a moment, then disengaged, only to snap back and headshot him almost instantly, seemingly out of nowhere. I could understand the twitch shot, but the lock-on? Highly suspicious.

What's also suspicious is the fact that your Steam ID is in the 3's. Unless you JUST got an account, that usually means something has happened to your past accounts.

Oh, also... would you care to explain your other ban on this ID?

[SatansDankWeed 2]

if he isnt hacking, its a sad day. and he has all the bragging rights of bieng banned multiple times for hacking cause he is soo good. i can only identify extreme hacking but ive been killed by obama many times, and i expected to get headshotted by him everytime.