Voteban- Abusers On 2Fort East Server

[Psychoticism 0]

I came on to report the issue myself and saw that someone has already posted a topic on the clan [Fail]. Today i came home from working 11am-8pm and join the server. Picked the soldier class and ran into a spy and shot him. The fail member, who is also a donor, Azlodin, called me a sniper wall hacker, and that i had been on the server earlier that day hacking. He claims that it was obvious that I was hacking now and initiated a voteban along with the other friends and member of fail, they got 5 votes to ban me in a manner of seconds and before people could even question why i was being banned. He claims he would like to put a permanent ban up against me, but rather i would like to have a permanent ban up against him for abuse of voteban powers. There was no time for me to make a demo, i was probably in the server for 3 minutes before getting banned, and i left the game to post this before copying the log, but i can very easily get testimony from other players on the server about the incident. Plus the fact that the problem is clearly not a one time incident indicated by the post before me should be enough to prove the validity of my claim. I hope these series of abuses can be taken care of as i am a regular on the server and enjoy playing on the server.

"[Fail] Azlodin" STEAM_0:0:14719283

Person who pushed the first initial vote I didn't get a demo for, was currently "uploading" my hack video while i was gone, although i don't see it on here.

votebanrequest_.dem - 0.43MB

An example of fail clan trying to ban me on the accusation of hacking, almost succeeded as well. They push the initial votes with their clan member and the server follows suit unknowingly.

[DEATH STRIKE 573]

Well that settles it I guess all FAIL members should be banned. After all Fail members are Lotus regulars. Only 2 complants in over a year of the since the "clan" was formed. 2 in one day no less. No demos..... just saying.

[Josh 18]

A demo is required, please record this next time

[Fail Zeo(UK) 1]

Seems a lot of people have a problem with [Fail]...

We teamstack? Actually, there are a few of us that are good friends and like to be on the same team, some are really good players, I'm not lol...So we teamstack just because we're in the same clan? Is this based on any kind of evidence of our amazing ability to play tf2? Maybe because we wear the [Fail] tag we have SUPER POWERS??? Some people in [Fail] actually join the opposite team because they think like this too...I think it's silly

As for someone getting votebanned by a [Fail] member: Our whole clan is NOT responsible for ONE persons actions. Simple. I'm actually suprised you went about it this way...Trying to say we all conspire against people to ban them is ridiculous.

Any more problems / questions feel free to contact me in game / via steam. Despite anything said on the contrary, I'm a 30 year old, mature woman. I'm sure we can fix issues like adults.

Thanks for reading =)

[DEATH STRIKE 573]

Well said Zeo.

[Melissia 7]

Once again, shutup, both of you.

If the evidence provided proves the guy is a voteban abuser, then he in particular will be punished for it. If it does not, then nothing will happen. If Mana determines the clan has endemic issues with voteban abuse, then he will deal with it-- but Mana does not take actions like that without substantial reason to do so.

[Fail Zeo(UK) 1]

Who the hell are you to come on here telling people to shut up??? This is a public place for people to air their problems...If I wasn't able to post my side of the story would that not be a little unfair?

Why so hostile love?? Power trip? "ooh ooh, I work for Lotus and I can ban you" GET over yourself, you come on here without anything useful to say or anything to enlighten the situation, which in my opinion was dealt with already by one of your colleagues. I hope you're not getting paid to be a troll because that comment smelled like trolling to me.

PRIME example of a busy body with the wrong powers. You're like one of those cops who punch you in the back of the head so nobody see's the bruise and they get away with it...

Do you own this forum? Is it not public?

I rest my case...

[Melissia 7]

Blah blah yadda yadda bing bong dong

Do you own this forum? Is it not public?

No, this is not a public forum. This is a private forum. A private forum owned privately and run privately for a private purpose by a private person (IE mana). You have no RIGHT to post here, you have a PRIVILEGE to post here, one which can be revoked for any reason or no reason at all at the whim of the administrator. But I am not threatening you with a ban, I'm just asking you to shutup and stop with the damn internet drama, because quite frankly most people who attempt to defend themselves only dig themselves into a deeper hole to begin with.

[Fail Zeo(UK) 1]

No, this is not a public forum. This is a private forum. A private forum owned privately and run privately for a private purpose by a private person (IE mana). You have no RIGHT to post here, you have a PRIVILEGE to post here, one which can be revoked for any reason or no reason at all at the whim of the administrator. But I am not threatening you with a ban, I'm just asking you to shutup and stop with the damn internet drama, because quite frankly most people who attempt to defend themselves only dig themselves into a deeper hole to begin with.

Someone was trash talking my clan, I was clearly just defending my clan. If I was recruiting new members this wouldn't be good for my clan...For you to appear on the scene telling people to shut up has started this new piece of drama and it's the only "drama" going on in this thread. Maybe the reason you feel that most people who attempt to defend themselves dig themselves a deeper hole is because your approach sucks?

Red's right, you seem to have an opinion of me already and I couldn't care less. You've got your approach all wrong, sweetheart. Try being nice if you're in a position of helping people?

[DEATH STRIKE 573]

" I'm just asking you to shutup and stop with the damn internet drama". I do think after reading both posts you never "ask" anyone to shutup you just came out and said "shutup". If you ask people to do things nicely you get a much better response. The word "please" goes a long way when YOU "ask" someone to do something. If you are a person that is suppose to help then you are doing it wrong.

[whitedude877 0]

Hey guyz!

[Bigus Dikus 0]

Well i think a bunch of people actually forget that this is game, and you are having a argue about a GAME. Just enjoy it, and if you get banned or kicked try to see what you are doing wrong, and if there is not a reason of it, make a thread or pm a adm, but don't judge a hole team about that, because i'm on Fail ([Fail] DieGoR) and i don't remember ever using the voteban code, just in one case and it was speedhacking. And knowing who you are blaming, they will also not ban you because they want to, i'm sure they have they reason.

Sorry for the grammar, argentinian member here =P.

[Fail Zeo(UK) 1]

Diegor is AWESOME...

<3

And your grammar is probably better than mine my dear =)

haha

[Redmoron 0]

Also pickles.

[Melissia 7]

Someone was trash talking my clan, I was clearly just defending my clan.

You have no need to do so, and in fact you're only making yourself and your clan look worse in being so defensive. Nothing has been proven, so you have no need to worry. So don't.

[Fail Zeo(UK) 1]

I was there when BOTH these incidents happened. Were you? No you weren't. Would you get over yourself? Contrary to what you seem to believe, YOU have no authority over me either. If I am able to post a few words in my clans defense by stating the facts of what happened because I was there, that's all I'm guilty of.

[Splant316 0]

This makes me laugh. We were trying to sort this out until melissa comes along and starts he school yard bullying tactics.....

[Fail Zeo(UK) 1]

It won't work on me. I learned to deal with bullies AND trolls.

[Melissia 7]

Which is a lulz-worthy attempt at trolling, but stupid nonetheless.

It doesn't matter if you were there. All that matters is the evidence. Your testimony is not evidence.

[Fail Zeo(UK) 1]

You're referring to the wrong thread now my dear...*facepalm*

No testimony from me in this one, just me stating "you can't ban a whole clan for ONE persons actions"

Any more attempts at trolling me? I'm disappointed to be honest, someone told me you were a good troll

Now as fun as it is to continually own you, I've done what I came here to do. A flame war is all this is now and it's time to elevate.

So until next time Adios!

[Melissia 7]

No, I'm not. I'm quite clearly responding to this:

I was there when BOTH these incidents happened. Were you? No you weren't. Would you get over yourself? Contrary to what you seem to believe, YOU have no authority over me either. If I am able to post a few words in my clans defense by stating the facts of what happened because I was there, that's all I'm guilty of.

Your testimony is irrelevant. People lie or exaggerate the facts to make themselves look better all the time.

[Psychoticism 0]

Few things. I really don't care if you were present or not zeo. Sowwy. I did post a demo. If the link doesn't work then i can try to re-post it in order for it to work. Finally, since the two complaints against the clan have been registered they haven't been really banning at all. Also, zeo i never mentioned anything about team stacking. Did you even read my post? As for your clan ganging up. In the demo i posted they pushed the ban within seconds and put the reason as hacking, quite clearly everyone is then going to follow suit to ban a hacker. The only thing i can do is say watch the demo, i went back on purposely because i knew you guys would try to ban me instantly for whatever reason without even talking about it. Thanks for your time.

[Melissia 7]

Your demo link works. Josh just hasn't gotten around to watching it yet, or hasn't commented if he has.

[Fail Zeo(UK) 1]

I did read your post Aminous, yes, but why are you blaming [Fail] for it when it was just one person? I know that there were a lot of people talking about you wallhacking / aimbotting or something like that... Which is why I asked you about it on a later date. I suspected it myself before I'd even realised you were Aminous but that was on a previous game...

[Fail] is a clan created on EC Lotus so naturally, there are a lot of people in the clan on that server. If Azlodin told me he suspected you of hacking, i'd believe him. Just like if you said to me "such and such is hacking" I'd probably believe you too...call me gullible if you like...

There's no ganging up going on at all, just lot of people in [Fail] on that server. I hate when people get kicked / banned for silly reasons or unfair / unjustified ones. I kicked someone from the clan for doing that recently.

The reason I mentioned the teamstacking thing was just because this thread is just another attempt to have a dig at us IMO.