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[Xolid 0]

Hey there, it seems that yesterday I got banned for fooling around on your guys' usual server that I play on daily and even donated to. Now yeah usually I can start up a little argument every now and then with someone on the server but I looked at my ban request from darktemplar and he makes it look so one sided. Honestly he was verbally abusing me as well and so we got into quite a big argument with pretty much all of his friends getting in on it and talking trash to me, and yeah it was beginning to get annoying, so I started some votekicks against him so the server could go back to normal, I wasn't attempting to abuse my donator privileges and if I was I will avoid it in the future. The only reason I changed teams and began talking with my mic was because I was tired of the constant "kid" insults coming from darktemplar and his buddies. I don't deny talking trash, but it was nothing worse than any of them had said to me earlier. I only act like this when somebody starts an argument directly with me and I always mute them after a few sentences of back-and-fourth trash talk, but this guy had all of his buddies relaying what he says to me and by the time I had muted them all I was fed up with the match and left. I remember reading that trash talk wasn't a bannable offense, if it was made one then you should ban pretty much 80% of anyone that plays on your servers as well. If this was about my votekicks that I thought were justified I'll refrain from using the votekick/voteban system again.

My steam iD is STEAM_0:1:34071381

Thank you

[darktemplarr 1]

Not that it matters now but I would like to point out that this: "but this guy had all of his buddies relaying what he says to me and by the time I had muted them all I was fed up with the match and left." That is completely untrue, none were my friends for the record, if you wish for proof you may check my steam friends list and you won't find a single one of them. Also NO ONE was relaying what I was saying back to you via chat or mic after you muted me. That is 100% untrue, please supply proof next time, server logs would be great if you wish to make an accusation like that. The four or five people agreeing with what I was saying were just that. Agreeing, we were in no way affiliated, if you felt out numbered by some nerd-group I apologize for that, but that is not the case. It was just your attitude friend.

[Xolid 0]

So apparently I'm banned because some new guy got upset about my trash talk? Something that isn't supposed to be bannable? I'd really like an explanation, especially considering my votekicks against him were completely justified considering the one votekick that went thru caused the server to go back to normal until he rejoined 10 minutes later. The two people that reported me before were for a votemute that was justified and someone else that got mad because of trash talk. I realize donators don't have higher authority over anybody else but this is completely unfair I just recently donated and so I have to lose 1/3 of the duration? Think about this, you've let TONS of trash talk ban requests fly by but I'm special because a few select people with feelings that get hurt easier than others complain about me? I have not even received a warning asking me to stop, I just get a ban straight away. Yeah okay that's fair. Especially for something that isn't supposed to be bannable.

[SurTails 1]

Xolid gets banned for 3 weeks without a warning on his first offence.

In my case I got a warning + banned ONE day one my first offence.

Isn't that a bit unfair?

[SneekySneeky033 1]

I just don't see what makes this guy special. I remember BroBot once tried to get Xolid banned for doing the same trolling he always does, and nobody cared, because it was just trolling. Now some random guy connects off the street and all the admins fall to their knees and heed his every word?

Darktemplar isn't even fun to play with. He connected today and instantly started talking shit about how he had gotten Xolid banned. This went on and on until the usual regulars started calling him out on his newness. Unfazed, he started threatening to cry to the admins again and get anyone who votekicked him banned. Didn't stop us from votekicking and then votebanning him, both of which passed.

I just don't see the logic behind the admins' decision. Lotus either needs more admins on their servers to enforce their so-called "standards," or they need to stop banning people for trolling.

[Xolid 0]

Surtails can you read? It's not his first offence, he's not getting banned for the same reason as you were, and least but not last, are you trying your luck on the forums now? Of all the people you are the one to whom Afronanny least needs to explain his actions to. This thread closed in 3... 2... 1.

Okay so you just go and ignore my questions and go to bashing Surtails, nice.

Anyways it would be great if I could get a definite answer why I got banned without any warnings or cease and desist notices, preferably from Mana. The one "abusive donator for a votemute" post you linked to was justified, the one with brobot was just brobot having his feelings hurt which afronanny said he wouldn't ban me for.

[AnnoyingKat 1]

O geeze, everyone thats played on the Chicago 2fort knows that Xolid is harmless and who that plays TF2 doesn't trash talk? Xolid is one of the several players that make the server fun imo, it would totally be a boring 3 weeks if this ban stays. Btw that dude that requested for Xolid to get banned was a read dbag and really really disruptive, so going by his request to get a long time member/donator to your server is kind of sad. Why punish loyalty to the community? Shouldn't you guys have contacted him first to tell him to tone it down? Just my 2 cents which I know don't count as much but as a casual player on the Chicago 2fort server, just letting you guys know that Xolid is a cool dude and makes your servers fun to play in.

[darktemplarr 1]

I just don't see what makes this guy special. I remember BroBot once tried to get Xolid banned for doing the same trolling he always does, and nobody cared, because it was just trolling. Now some random guy connects off the street and all the admins fall to their knees and heed his every word?

Darktemplar isn't even fun to play with. He connected today and instantly started talking shit about how he had gotten Xolid banned. This went on and on until the usual regulars started calling him out on his newness. Unfazed, he started threatening to cry to the admins again and get anyone who votekicked him banned.  Didn't stop us from votekicking and then votebanning him, both of which passed.

I just don't see the logic behind the admins' decision.  Lotus either needs more admins on their servers to enforce their so-called "standards," or they need to stop banning people for trolling.

no voteban occurred, and the votekick was for me calling out a guy I was dueling for being a spam-o-tard camper. Just like Xolid you seem to think that your accusations or statements of me are instantly confirmed without proof. Most likely a big reason why Xolid got banned was because I got proof of his verbal violations and votekick abuse actions from the console. I pointed out how he seems to apparently continuously hide behind the fact that the things he does wrong are considered misdemeanors to LotusClan and therefore don't always need proof for actions to be taken, but when I actually did get proof, like any good admins should, they took care of it accordingly. This applies not only for you sneeky but for everyone else following as well. Please post proof of some sort, don't just throw in your opinion then sugar coat it with false details you are assuming no one will point out. Xolid having more than one offense already does not surprise me considering the type of player he struck me as the night I reported him for his behavior and abusiveness. What's done is done and pointing fingers, dissing other individuals, and Xolid especially, arguing with an admin will get you no where in a right hurry. This post seriously needs to be closed before it turns into some sort of flame war.The difference is: I had proof (unlike others most likely had when reporting Xolid) and Xolid apparently had a dirty record to begin with.

[Xolid 0]

For your sake dark, I hope you don't play on the lotus server again then being the lying hypocrite you are. I'm sure now everybody knows to screenshot every single thing you say, and you're the one starting a flame war here and there's no need for it.

Mana I need your insight on this, I just recently donated and I really would not want to have 1/3rd of the donation length gone. I have not once received a warning saying that if I talk trash I would be banned, and if this isn't about the trash talk and it's about the votekicks that were entirely justified, I didn't receive a warning about that either. I STILL don't know if this ban is about one or the other or even both.

[Barnaby Jones 0]

Alright so after getting this stupid forum to finally work for me again;

This kid who got Xolid banned should take a page from his own book then. If I had known that I should have screen capped all his horseshit I would have.

Regardless, yesterday alone, I votekicked AND votebanned this guy. He was being disruptive and spammy. Staring arguments and fights with quite a few players on the sever. Normally I don't care about this kind of stuff, but when he starts to run his mouth at half the server, I have to step in.

He's also got this weird habit, of saying he's going to go on the forums to ban all these normal players because they're standing up for themselves against his horseshit.

ANYWAYS, I digress. Xolid is Xolid. If you spend ANY time on the server you'll realise (Well if you have a normal brain and realise that this is the internet) that Xolid's an awesome guy who likes to troll (Which that server is basically for anyways). Whatever happens though, I'll stick by my friends.

Oh and one last thing; I can be racist all I want on their servers because I have freedom of speech, so try to ban me for that kiddo :3

[Brenardo 1]

Out of all of the things darktemplarr said xolid did, the only bannable (or even donor related) one was the votekick. A 3-week ban seems a little extreme, seeing as how darktemplarr was "trolling" xolid as you can see in his own screenshots. Whenever I was a little too quick to votekick/ban, I got 2 warnings; but no a temp-ban on either and yet I stopped. This seems to me like his first real warning anyway. As Afronnany said about the first one " Obviously he's butthurt about being dominated....I'm not banning someone for that..", and the other one was a votemute which doesn't affect the ability of other people to play at all. In fact, they can still communicate in text if they really have something relevant to the game that they want to say. Xolid may have called a few votes just because this guy was annoying, but based on other donator abuse reports (like mine) all he should've gotten was a warning that he needs to chill out.

Xolid is a good player to have around, which is what most of the regulars would agree with. darktemplarr just started off on xolid's bad side, being a new player on the server, and not really knowing xolid. From the screenshots, Barnaby's post and the fact that he reported on the forums so fast gives me the impression that darktemplarr was trying to cause trouble anyway. He was just messing with xolid because he gets some form of enjoyment out of ruining other people's gaming experience, which is what admins are there to prevent, isn't it?

[darktemplarr 1]

Apparently a reply has character limits so I will summerize what I said and who I said it to@Xolid: Let them screencap, because I don't start anything and you did indeed abuse the votekick system with a false reason in order to get rid of me@Jones: you misinterpreted the difference between hate directed towards a person, and competitively playful words against someones game play style which is okay. and please watch your attitude with people, what you said could be seen as hateful in-game last night.@Brenardo: The fact that I was so easily put on Xolid's bad side is probably what got him banned, that is how players are drawn away from servers and LotusClan probably disliked that the least, of how unlikable Xolid was. Also he needed no warnings, did you read the admin reply? This was not his first offense!

[Barnaby Jones 0]

Goodamn jews are ruining my mexican interent.

Take offence to that? Shame I have freedom of speech :/

ALSO; "you misinterpreted the difference between hate directed towards a person, and competitively playful words against someones game play style which is okay" - So when you were talking shit to like three people and using an array of cursewords, that's playful? Guess I missed that memo.

I left the server for a week to go on vacation, to find out that a really good friend of mine got banned for an entire month, because someone ran to the forums to complain about something he himself is guilty of.

If the votemutes and kicks DID pass, then maybe you ARE doing something wrong. Half the votes on the server don't pass unless there's an agreement among everyone anyways. I'm glad I kicked and banned you last-night. The server was so much more fun without you talking trash to so many people.

[darktemplarr 1]

Goodamn jews are ruining my mexican interent.

Take offence to that? Shame I have freedom of speech :/

ALSO; "you misinterpreted the difference between hate directed towards a person, and competitively playful words against someones game play style which is okay" - So when you were talking shit to like three people and using an array of cursewords, that's playful? Guess I missed that memo.

I left the server for a week to go on vacation, to find out that a really good friend of mine got banned for an entire month, because someone ran to the forums to complain about something he himself is guilty of.

If the votemutes and kicks DID pass, then maybe you ARE doing something wrong. Half the votes on the server don't pass unless there's an agreement among everyone anyways. I'm glad I kicked and banned you last-night. The server was so much more fun without you talking trash to so many people.

There were no votemutes, there were no votebans, some kid who didn't like my complaining of the dueling partner I had camping in his base as a demoman decided to votekick me ONCE, I like how you do the same thing over and over. Just express your opinion hatefully, harass others deliberately and then sugar coat your story with completely false details in hopes that no one will point out the fact that they are indeed untrue. Like I said the reason Xolid got banned and most likely won't be unbanned is because I had proof of his actions, you the other hand seem to continue to attack me on this forum post. Please get proof, this is not ap lace for you and I to discuss individually with each other and only each other. An attitude like that won't get you far either.

[Barnaby Jones 0]

Sorry for not saving all the crap you were saying.

But if you don't believe me, just ask someone else on the server at the time.

You were running your mouth and needed to be put in your place.

Now I see why Xolid did try to kick and whatever you. You're worse than anyone else; "GIVE ME PROOF OR ITS LIES."

I REALLY wish I could give proof of your horseshit, other than the words of everyone here and I.

[Xolid 0]

http://stats.lotuscl...es/chat/1987258

Ooh look at that, darktemplar is just as much of a troll and disruptive as anyone else on the server if not more, try and keep up the "i'm perfect and can't do any wrong" act over here on the forums now. Proof right there that the votekicks against you were completely justified because you were disrupting the server. Thanks.

[darktemplarr 1]

http://stats.lotuscl...es/chat/1987258

Ooh look at that, darktemplar is just as much of a troll and disruptive as anyone else on the server if not more, try and keep up the "i'm perfect and can't do any wrong" act over here on the forums now. Proof right there that the votekicks against you were completely justified because you were disrupting the server. Thanks.

http://stats.lotusclan.com/player_histories/chat/1275617 *facepalm* It is obvious who is more disruptive, I admit I got heated last night in a duel with a demoknight, I hate those buggards don't you? But I was never hateful to him as a player, just the way he played which is natural. YOUR votekicks were not justified in any way shape or form, the reason you put proves this. I have been advised to stop responding and feeding useless retaliation, I also find this a very good idea seeing as this is getting increasingly out of hand and I wish to cause/be involved in no further problems. As far as I'm concerned this topic is now closed for me. Please think about what you have done in the ban time alotted Xolid.Thank you everyone. Bye for now.

[Xolid 0]

This is not about who is more disruptive. In fact, this is not about darktemplarr at all. Pointing fingers at him definitely won't help your case.

I like how you havn't even read any of my other posts, you just go straight to that.

[SneekySneeky033 1]

This is not about who is more disruptive. In fact, this is not about darktemplarr at all.

Then what is this about?

[Brenardo 1]

http://stats.lotuscl...75617*facepalm* It is obvious who is more disruptive, I admit I got heated last night in a duel with a demoknight, I hate those buggards don't you? But I was never hateful to him as a player, just the way he played which is natural. YOUR votekicks were not justified in any way shape or form, the reason you put proves this. I have been advised to stop responding and feeding useless retaliation, I also find this a very good idea seeing as this is getting increasingly out of hand and I wish to cause/be involved in no further problems. As far as I'm concerned this topic is now closed for me. Please think about what you have done in the ban time alotted Xolid.Thank you everyone. Bye for now.

This link sure does prove your point.

[zarakii 0]

I Would like to back Xolid. I play on this server almost everyday. None of the regulars really care, he was just trolling like he always does. Club sandwich is a hypocrit, because he abuses his donator all the time. I was in a duel with him and I was 3 points ahead so he got mad and did a votekick on me that I was afk. I got kicked and lost the duel. I have unfriended him ever since and now he does this which makes me happier that I unfriended him. By reading this forum it looks to me that the majority of the regulars back xolid.

[Willerms 1,794]

I Would like to back Xolid. I play on this server almost everyday. None of the regulars really care, he was just trolling like he always does. Club sandwich is a hypocrit, because he abuses his donator all the time. I was in a duel with him and I was 3 points ahead so he got mad and did a votekick on me that I was afk. I got kicked and lost the duel. I have unfriended him ever since and now he does this which makes me happier that I unfriended him. By reading this forum it looks to me that the majority of the regulars back xolid.

A little late, aren't we?

[Willerms 1,794]

No, not late.Xolid is at strike 2 at the moment.

http://forums.gaming...est-dr-x-xolid/

I was referencing the gap between the posts

[Nano 7,892]

What's two months

[DEATH STRIKE 573]

It's only a game...calm down.