Backstabs In Rank

[tr1p 1]

Mana, why are headshots counted in towards rank but backstabs arent?

[Spartan_0214 18]

'Cause backstabs are easy, headshots take skill.

[Rigormortis 15]

Headshots certainly do not take much skill. In fact, check the stats page.

Weapon - Modifier - Kills - % of total - Headshots Headshot to kills

"3 Rifle 1.00 437,260 9.51% 283,064 77.59%"

"7 Knife 2.00 294,312 6.40% 132 0.04%"

There are only 11,000 more recorded backstabs than headshots.

And if you take a look at the roles..

"Rank - Role - Picked - Ratio - Kills - Ratio - Deaths -Ratio - K:D"

"4 - Sniper - 183,455 times -12.70% -637,650-14.12%- 565,608- 12.54%-1.13"

"7 - Spy - 163,044 times - 11.29%- 347,696-7.70% - 494,682- 10.96%-0.70"

The sniper is actually easier to play for the average player. Unlike the spy, the sniper has a positive KD spread.

In my opinion, its harder sneaking up on an unsuspecting pyro with a knife than it is to reduce his brain matter to cherry pie from 100+ feet.

[tr1p 1]

'Cause backstabs are easy, headshots take skill.

/disagree..and it wasn't addressed to you..

it seems bias to put something like that then leave another out.

not bitching, just curious...would love to see something like this put in for someone who plays spy as much as myself.

[Rigormortis 15]

Heh, I was wondering why me decent spy skills always got me no where.

[Graedus 9]

So... The most skilled players use the Ambassador to headshot people from behind?

[Rigormortis 15]

So... The most skilled players use the Ambassador to headshot people from behind?

20 Ambassador 1.00 38,284 0.83% 0.83% 10,697 2.92% 2.92% 0.28

With only 10,000 headshots, it appears there aren't very many players who are that skilled

[phantom 29]

the spy is easy to play.

the spy is just a backburner pyro, w+m1, with the ability to cloak. or even worse, feign death.

theres more shitty snipers than shitty spies cause being a shitty sniper has less risk, you sit in terrible sniping spots that are well behind everyone else.

are you asking why backstabs dont show up when you type rank in game? probably cause nobody really cares. they count as points towards your rank tho

[Spartan_0214 18]

Headshots certainly do not take much skill. In fact, check the stats page.

Weapon - Modifier - Kills - % of total - Headshots Headshot to kills

"3 Rifle 1.00 437,260 9.51% 283,064 77.59%"

"7 Knife 2.00 294,312 6.40% 132 0.04%"

There are only 11,000 more recorded backstabs than headshots.

And if you take a look at the roles..

"Rank - Role - Picked - Ratio - Kills - Ratio - Deaths -Ratio - K:D"

"4 - Sniper - 183,455 times -12.70% -637,650-14.12%- 565,608- 12.54%-1.13"

"7 - Spy - 163,044 times - 11.29%- 347,696-7.70% - 494,682- 10.96%-0.70"

The sniper is actually easier to play for the average player. Unlike the spy, the sniper has a positive KD spread.

In my opinion, its harder sneaking up on an unsuspecting pyro with a knife than it is to reduce his brain matter to cherry pie from 100+ feet.

[citation needed]

Anyway, just because there are people out there who utterly fail at spy doesn't make the act of backstabbing versus the act of headshotting any different. For a backstab, all you need is to be behind someone and press mouse1. To headshot, you have to line up a small circle onto a small target, wait for the shot to charge, then press mouse1. And the latter is MUCH harder than it sounds. A backstab simply takes more time and patience, which, frankly, not a lot of gamers have.

[CloakedStarship 7]

Maybe its just because 9/10 backstabs are facestabs.

[Melissia 7]

You must be laggy as hell, because that's most assuredly not true.

[CloakedStarship 7]

Ok, perhaps I exaggerated a wee bit, yet the point remains that the backstab has a tendency to be completely backwards... or forwards... you know what I'm just gonna go back to not thinking for now.

Edited October 15, 2009 by CloakedStarship

[Paul Bunyan 13]

Hmm..

[Mana 3,867]

Mana, why are headshots counted in towards rank but backstabs arent?

They are. You get points for backstabs.

[phantom 29]

Face stabs are just weird backstabs. The animation makes it look even more so like a face stab. The split second there is between getting the stab position and stabbing, the person who gets face stabbed probably turned slightly, because a certain part of the shoulder counts as the back.

mostly wrong

have you and a friend go on some server, him a spy you something else

now facing him, backpedal

he rushes forwards stabbing

he will backstab you.

if one of you are laggy, it works even better

[Oww My Nose 19]

now that's just interesting... GOOD JOB VALVE

[tr1p 1]

are you asking why backstabs dont show up when you type rank in game? probably cause nobody really cares. they count as points towards your rank tho

This is what I meant yes, though I think you greatly oversimplified every aspect of the spy... everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

I do however agree that getting a single backstab in a single life is extremely easy...knocking out sentrys behind enemy lines on capture points to make your team advance forward is a bit more complicated then just pressing w+m1 then cloaking( same for chain stabbing).

[Bombz 31]

I'll tell you what angers me. Pyro flamer radius. I'll get ignited as a Scout/Demo while I'm clearly out of the Pyros range. Tonight I decided to play Pyro some myself and trailing someone who just wiped out the right staging hall on Dustbowl stage 2 I walked right behind them holding the flamer on them for a good 5 seconds and they didn't die; Turned around and killed me. Now That's bugged.

[Rigormortis 15]

They are. You get points for backstabs.

Why does it not show up in actions?

Actions

[citation]

If you're asking where I got the stats they are obviously from the public stats page.

Weapon stats

[Spartan_0214 18]

If you're asking where I got the stats they are obviously from the public stats page.

Weapon stats

Dammit phantom, stop playing on the servers enough to skew the headshot stats...

[Rigormortis 15]

Actually I was wrong. There ARE more headshots than backstabs. I overlooked the fact that not all knife kills are backstabs.

[Oww My Nose 19]

and the domination stats

[phantom 29]

Actually I was wrong. There ARE more headshots than backstabs. I overlooked the fact that not all knife kills are backstabs.

and noscopes count as bodyshots

[Rigormortis 15]

and noscopes count as bodyshots

What does that have to do with anything?

There are sniper kills and there are sniper headshots. A headshot only counts as a headshot if it kills the target.

The sniper rifle has 471,330 kills, 305,604 of which are also headshots.

So... I dont know what youre getting at.

[phantom 29]

What does that have to do with anything?

There are sniper kills and there are sniper headshots. A headshot only counts as a headshot if it kills the target.

The sniper rifle has 471,330 kills, 305,604 of which are also headshots.

So... I dont know what youre getting at.

stats arent really accurate at all.