Kinda Pissed

[DanceMonkeyy 3]

Hey, this is regarding my good friend Tom Age 5's ban. I can't seem to grasp the reason for his banning. Is HeadshotBrent that bad of a spy that when players coordinate over skype and kill him over and over again you ban said players? I thought that lotus was run a little better then that. If any admins, I don't care who, would like to join us in Skype or even have Tom Age 5 stream for you just to prove that we don't bullshit when we say he doesn't hack please PM me. Being banned from servers seems to be a recurring thing for us, back when we played CSS we would get banned from a server everynight for "hacking". There's a difference between hacking and putting the time in to get better. Luckily for me I've had the chance to play at high level competitive so I know when someone isn't legit. If you check the server stats you'll even see that his(Tom) stats aren't spectacular. Basically hes been banned for using skype, pretty fucked up if you ask me. I'd also like to say that since Lotus payload IS THE ONLY SERVER WE PLAY ON theres no reason why we'd try to get banned, the server is easily one, if not the best out there and so are the people who play on it.

Please comment, I would really like some imput on this as if Tom stays banned I don't think we will continue to play TF2, Lotus owns all the good servers now.

*I have no hostility towards anyone as that would not be constructive. I really just want the details.*

Rock on

[Kerberos 3,170]

HI!

Unfortunately, more than 1 admin viewed the demo provided by TPL, and concluded the same thing. People make mistakes, but it's looking unlikely in this case.

Try SKIAL (i think it's called)

[DanceMonkeyy 3]

Do you think that if Tom was hacking though it would of been called out a while ago? WE've been playing on the same server for over a month now without any problems.

[Kerberos 3,170]

Being banned from servers seems to be a recurring thing for us,

Do you think that if Tom was hacking though it would of been called out a while ago?

You answered that your self

[DanceMonkeyy 3]

That was for CSS, and again we have never hacked in the entirety of our gaming lives. VAC would have picked up on it a long time ago. You forgot to quote the second part of that statement "back when we played CSS we would get banned from a server everynight for "hacking". There's a difference between hacking and putting the time in to get better."

[Kerberos 3,170]

Whatever the case may be, your friend appealed the ban and was rejected the right to continue playing on our servers. I doubt, unless you miraculously convinced the admins, that you'd be unbanned

That is of course, the way I see it

[DanceMonkeyy 3]

I will try my best to get him unbanned, he as been wrongfully accused and I know for a fact that he doesn't hack. Thanks kerb!

[Nano 7,892]

I came to clarify, but Kerb has already said everything that needs to be said.

[DanceMonkeyy 3]

Kerb has definately been more then helpful, there must be something that we can do to right this wrong though? If you'd like to bring this to private I'd be more then happy to so not to spam the thread.

[Kerberos 3,170]

From the admin perspective, Tom already made his appeal and was turned down. The admin who issued the ban is holding his stance, rock solid. It would look alot more respectful if Tom, the actual victim here, came and did this rather than his friend. You don't know that at the time, he wasn't hacking (unless you were in the same room).

That being said, and what I told TPL, you seem like you really don't think he was hacking to me, but that doesn't make him legit.

I've said way too much Won't be posting back here again - peace out!

[Tom Age Banned 0]

I am sad :_( Someone hold me. I don't really know what else to say, if theres anything that I can do to prove that I don;t hack I'll do it, Pro if you want to come into Skype with me and Dancemonkeyy when we play I welcome you. I've never hacked nor ever will, like you I get pissed at people who do hack, they have no lives. After a hard day at work I like to come home and relax with a couple of hours of TF2 on Payload. My server stas are pretty average, that night Headshotbrent was just the unfortunate receiver of me being pyro and Dancemonkeyy and I on Skype. Thats basically it.

If maybe the hacking isn't the only reason for my banning I would like to know and work on a compromise.

[Nano 7,892]

We have evaluated all of those arguments already. They didn't stand up to scrutiny. Repeating them over isn't going to change anyone's mind. I'm glad you seem to feel regret at your decision to hack (and yes I firmly believe you were hacking), but that doesn't change the fact that your actions have consequences. In this case the consequence was the ban.

We used data publicly available and information you aren't aware that we have when we made the decision. That decision won't be changing.

This will be my last post/pm/skype on the subject as we have exhausted it quite thoroughly already.

[Awptimus Prime 297]

jeez, headsh0t making spies look bad -...-.

lulzzzz.

[Tom Age Banned 0]

Well this may be the very first time that you're wrong Pro and theres nothign wrong with that, I just wish that you would join us in Skype, it really would make you see clearly that I've been telling the truth the whole time. I'm fighting hard for this because I'm not just some f2p hacking shmo, I've put in alot of time into the server and started to get to know everyone.

[DanceMonkeyy 3]

Boner......at least headshotbrent will be happy

[Kerberos 3,170]

Requesting this be locked.

[DanceMonkeyy 3]

Last comment from me, PL check your Mail when you have a chance

Thanks everyone. A+

[Mana 3,867]

Is there a link to a ban request for this?

[Tom Age Banned 0]

Not that I know of ?_? but theres alot of things I don't know. I was just banned on the spot.

[Kerberos 3,170]

The unban request.

[Barbaro 466]

The unban request.

You know, if a ban is going to be upheld, the Administrator has to be, without a reasonable doubt, have every piece of information and evidence proving the person was indeed hacking.

Sounds more like someone was getting annoyed that his same spy disguise got noticed. Then there's that Skype thing...questionable eh?

[Vaginal Hubris 2,659]

I am not sure what exactly happened here. I have played with Tom. I have never gotten the impression he was hacking. I cannot speak to this specific incident, but it seems a little weird to me that all of a sudden he would start hacking this one time.

[- Mike - 2,728]

Will the demo be made available? Or is this just behind the curtains thing?

[Nano 7,892]

Will the demo be made available? Or is this just behind the curtains thing?

There is no point. Many other admins reviewed it and agreed with me about Tom's use of an aimbot and crit hack. We also have additional information beyond just the demos that was used as part of the decision. So people wouldn't be getting the full story anyway.

From my point of view I've had it confirmed by others who are able to judge accurately, so the due diligence is done. If we post the demos now, after the final decision was made, the only result is the hacker trying to point out everything that they didn't agree with, which would obviously be everything. But nothing they say would change the decision.

And for the final time, this had nothing to do with language, in game behavior, or pyro spamming. None of that was bannable criteria and was not even worthy of the consideration. As for the spy thing, I *asked* headsh0t to come on and try to backstab Tom so I could observe the behavior. Headsh0t wouldn't have been there if I hadn't requested so. I had been demoing Tom for 15 minutes before Headsh0t even logged on.

Edited for clarity

Edited April 30, 2012 by TheProLoser

[- Mike - 2,728]

Last question.

I had been demoing him for 15 minutes before he even logged on.

Are you a wizard?