NotTomPetty 3 #1 Posted July 4, 2013 I just want those who blindly follow to know the truth of things. I don't really give two shits if I am unbanned or not anymore, but it seems like the majority follows the "leaders". So here is what got me kicked from Lotus. And yes, it does still burn because I truly thought these people were my friends. Never tell your password to anyone. L | Pockets: So... Why did this happen exactly? L | Pockets: And why did you block me? L | Cactus: didn't block - removed L | Pockets: I looked for you on the friends search. Even used your steam ID L | Cactus: a large number of reasons, going back to the discussions around "clan transparency" and recruitment, and extended through your trolling of Oli and Darkness L | Cactus: for me personally, it broke at: Sent 21 October 2012 - 01:02 AM I talked to Sexy King the other day and he told me that you specifically told him that I didn't want him as a member. What the fuck is that? That is super manipulative and crazy. Check yourself before you try to fuck with me again. L | Cactus: that was my last straw L | Pockets: And you explained yourself, and I backed off. L | Cactus: backed off? a "shit dude, my bad" is what a reasonable person would have done L | Cactus: you dropped it L | Cactus: and that was it for me L | Pockets: because I didn't say, "shit dude, my bad L | Pockets: " L | Cactus: like I said, last straw for me personally, but by no means the biggest reason this happened L | Pockets: What was the biggest reason? L | Cactus: the things that the two of you were posting in the Members lounge and the Oli/Darkness drama were my primary reasons - others may have had their own L | Cactus: I can only speak for myself L | Pockets: Because I trolled Oli and Darkness a bit? L | Cactus: because you trolled two recruits (including one who would likely have been a Member soon) to the point that they left the clan L | Cactus: and then blasted Possum when he disagreed L | Pockets: I didn't troll them to the point of leaving the clan. Darkness was a scammer L | Cactus: and was dealt with L | Pockets: I didn't blast Possum L | Pockets: I know but what you said earlier wasn't true L | Pockets: And after Darkness was kicked for being a scammer, Oli left soon after probably because Darkness was his brother. I didn't "troll them to the point of leaving" L | Cactus: regardless of the outcome, in my personal opinion (and what drove my vote) is that what you did and said was unbecoming of a Member - like I said, there were 5 other votes plus Mana's signoff, so they will have their own reasons for deciding the way they did, but that was my opinion L | Pockets: So I got kicked for saying a few things that were unbecoming of a member? L | Pockets: I'm just trying to get this straight. L | Cactus: L | Cactus: a large number of reasons, going back to the discussions around "clan transparency" and recruitment, and extended through your trolling of Oli and Darkness L | Pockets: Ironic that I wanted more "clan transparency" and got kicked without much communication from the staff to me L | Pockets: And the fact that I disagreed with staff members about policy and therefore was kicked seems a bit harsh L | Cactus: disagreeing is one thing, your approach was another entirely L | Pockets: My argument was supporting staff members not talking down to members when they voice their opinions L | Pockets: You understand that answering, "why was I kicked?" with the answer, "lots of reasons," is not really an answer. L | Pockets: So what I've gathered so far is that there are lots of reasons why I was kicked, when I asked for specifics you sited trolling darkness to the point of quitting (which wasn't true) and disagreeing with staff members on policy in a way you didn't like. L | Pockets: Nothing else? L | Cactus: for me personally? beyond the shit caused in those threads, the trolling of Oli (regardless of the outcome) and the hostile PM you sent? nope L | Cactus: pretty symptomatic L | Pockets: Symptomatic of what exactly? L | Cactus: your negative impact on the clan L | Cactus: and disruptive influence L | Pockets: Those are very vague terms. L | Pockets: And from the people I've talked to so far (you know... people in the clan), no one thinks I have negative impact on the clan as a whole. L | Cactus: well, 6 Staff and Mana thought you did L | Cactus: and I am a person in the clan L | Pockets: 6 Staff and Mana doesn't equal the clan L | Cactus: you may want to untag, as Afro will be (if he hasn't already) removing you from the tag protect list L | Pockets: It's a shame that I didn't get to defend myself at all in this. And it's sad that you were fighting to get me kicked out of the clan without even talking to me first. L | Cactus: I didn't fight to get you kicked out - you did that yourself L | Cactus: it wasn't a fight L | Pockets: Someone had to propose the idea and argue its case. L | Cactus: and I did not start the vote L | Cactus: but I supported it L | Cactus: absolutely L | Pockets: That's what I'm talking about. L | Pockets: No staff members tried to talk to me about my behavior like you said in your post in the recruit lounge. L | Cactus: not what I heard L | Pockets: Who talked to me? L | Cactus: not my place to speak for them L | Pockets: This isn't an incriminating question about anyone. I guess it doesn't matter though, because no one talked to me. L | Pockets: What you told people was dishonest. L | Cactus: forgive me if I disagree with your position L | Cactus: you were a negative influence L | Cactus: you were kicked L | Cactus: stop blaming others L | Cactus: deal with it L | Cactus: play on the servers if you want L | Cactus: or don't L | Pockets: When did I blame someone? L | Cactus: L | Pockets: It's a shame that I didn't get to defend myself at all in this. And it's sad that you were fighting to get me kicked out of the clan without even talking to me first. L | Cactus: I didn't fight to get you kicked out L | Cactus: I presented the shit you said L | Cactus: you sold yourself L | Cactus: it's not my fault this happened L | Cactus: without you being a troll there would be no issue L | Cactus: so I'll leave it at that L | Cactus: and wish you luck L | Cactus: untag or not L | Cactus: your call L | Cactus: bye L | Cactus is now Offline. Good for you guys. Keep upvoting this guy who clearly wants you to know his job title and benefits. ProLoser has equally corporate jobs and benefits!?!? They should probably remind you of them at least once or twice a week. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ruby 9,039 #3 Posted July 4, 2013 I've spent enough of my keyboard on you already. I don't know what was happening with staff or members at that time, and I haven't had personal issues with you, but the way you managed to piss off the entire clan makes me think something fishy is going on, especially when you came back with an unban request which contained insults for a good amount of staff members. I've told you already to drop it. I don't see what are you trying to do here, put up a rebellion against staff or Mana? I know full well that Lotus is not a perfect clan. We have our quirks and issues and I am ready to admit it at any time. The fact remains though, we are here because we want to be here. Live and let live, man. If you want to mount an insurrection, I'd suggest you to do so privately so that we can block you, or just, you know, let it be. Since only staff handles unbans, I can only provide these two words as a satisfying reply: fuck you. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Dr. Obvious 14,606 #5 Posted July 4, 2013 later nerd Stop insulting nerds in comparing them with that kind of person. Shame on you. Also, you're the best reason ever to give more people the right to close threads. This is getting ridiculous. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bukowski 1,203 #6 Posted July 4, 2013 (edited) Edited July 4, 2013 by L-r \ bukowski 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Skaila 5,462 #7 Posted July 4, 2013 At least this is entertaining? 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Dr. Obvious 14,606 #8 Posted July 4, 2013 Is it? I wasn't reading at all, because, tl;dr ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
