Serpent Is Good Against What Clan?

[IndominusRex 13]

It's hard to qwrite than playing.. But I will try.. Hope you will get my point...

Ok, I will not put my strats here firstly...

I will have:

6 healers on Horse with Razor Fans (Heal and Less Stamina upgraded + Horse Upgraded for less stamina using trample..)

Necromanzer + 3 Spirit warriors

5 cannoners with smokes (Long Range)

2 muggers

Vetkin

Shinja

Utara

3 raiders(Full upgrade that burn very fast) or more...

the rest are snipers... (Full Upgraded snipers)

You said that you have 2 Spirits? I probably burn it first using my smartest strategy of burning... I dont want to tell it here.. I can use 3 spirit warriors to kill your rice and making you in trouble of the rice... Remember, I always send spirit and keep sending... I have no worries about indirect fire since I have 6 healers.. and your indirect would hit me twice only since you said that you don't let your powder keg cannons run out of stamina and my Necromanzer are in front of all of other units.. with a healer backing up it.. Mines are scattered near my base.. It means that you can't simply run into my base... When I know you're towering near on me or your indirect first attack me.. I will use my 3 spirits warriors to attack you, then next to it is I do smoke, then My utara are coming to stun you and decrease your heal, My vetkin visit you and drained all your staminas (So it means that you cannot use your healer and some of your battle hear).. My necromanzer are making Zombie while I smoke you also while I mug you.. (YOU DONT HAVE ANY BATTLE GEAR SINCE I MUG YOU WITH MY FAR APART MUGGER)). I scatter all my cannons once again.. I use my horse trample on you.. You Spirit me.. I still a live because --> A healer on horse don't simply died, just the horse, also she wont die easily since I upgrade her life.. Then I use my razor fans to hit you.. My units will have full life again..My spreading snipers keep hitting you while you are blind because of stun or smoke. Your units will die one by one.. I die too.. but you die more.. You have less units than me because you use your 8 sams for spirits and someone of your peasant for rice (BECAUSE I USE MY SPIRIT WARIORS TO DISTRACT your rice..) Even if your kabuki will use flash powder on me.. He will die because of the snipers. Also, My snipers are standing on the scattered mines.. My raiders can also fire your tower when we are in the battle... Your powder kegs and other units would die simply by my horse trample.. And your horse trample cant trample me because you have no stamina because I have my vetkin's bravado right? Your archer will killed by my spirit warriors and zombies, my necro is just resting to make zombie for you. Also, While we are in the battle, my raiders will burn your Dragon's monument.. Your Chi? What's about your chi since you cant use it?

SORRY.. I CAN EVEN PLAY BETTER THAN EXPLAINING IT HERE..

Edited May 13, 2006 by BenEducationNotice

[[LOT]diablo 1]

we should test this then..... a good serpent can beat a good dragon... and whoever says serpent is weak..... i guess u dont know how to control them then... and fresco serpent is good in long games..... idk y u say they r not ..... i guess u should try to practice with them in long games than just rushing all the time....

[cptheslayer 2]

after reading it, i can see that there are many flaws in your strat against Dragon. Who says that i send all force to attack u? I only send a few sam to stop your pursuing units and retreat. If you still follow, then my army awaits u. and i use arrow sight to see how u form your army and basically knowing what u sending or moving and I can just spirit to kill your musk. It seems u got many yins there, usually Dragon will have more yangs, so i can upgrade everything and get heroes. remember i keep a small group of army in town for raiders and i build well next to most of my buildings. I put a tower near rice field However, your spirits will be detected b4 getting to my rice field. Sending your spirits to die only helps me more because i won;t let u do more damage than i do to your spirits. This means I will gain more yangs than you gain yins. Talking about zombies, you don't have many corpses to use. The most u can have is about 3. you can get that only if you were able to mug and use vetkin to suk my sam's stamina. utara is good only in a crowded battle. I will run back my sam behind my kegs. Remember my army and your army is not standing face to face seeing each other. I can see you while you can't see me. you can use xcross to try to scout but ill just kill it. Oh send a few invisble bandits in the hope I Dragon is blind. Or send ninjas(waste of yin). I don't build all towres near your base, at most i need is one. I put the rest to stop your raiders and defend my town. you can burn those towers, but my peas just water them cuz i i build hut and well next to it and have a peas getting water from there. In long game, i always have well and huts infront of my towers. Wells everywhere. Now, who says that i will use id to hit your units? I only do that when you are out from your town. If you're in town, i use id to destroy building towers. you see here that the most units you can kill me is few unless you just send a big army to chase my kegs and sams then engage in battle with my reinforcement army waiting for you. I will lose more than just a few, but you will lose more. If you scatter your units a lot, of course I will see this, then I my sam and kegs will have a better chance escaping. Let say if you were able to kill most of my army, i can still defend my base as long i have spirit because you have to move your army to attack my base. This will take time, and you are a way from town and BG's shops are not on wheels. Remember u need raiders to burn my towers. with well near the towers and infron of the towers, your force will be slowed down. Talking destroying my monument, i see no other way than burning then run back out of trouble. But with a well near it you can burn all you want. and if i have 2 spirits, 4 sam will be waiting for those raiders. But most of the time, your raiders has to burn down my tower first or they will get stunned and my units are on their way attack them. Your special way of taking down my monument must be a cheat or bug or whatever that is only known to you and it is not valid to use in legit battle.

See Ben, I talk about precisely how many units i send to id and to back up my kegs. When you try to explain the situation, you just assume that you can use all you units to attack my entire force. You cannot attack them unless you run into my army. I will just use one tower to stop your melee units from attacking my archers. you can try to get raiders to burn it, that mean, u spend more peas on raiders. My archers stand in front of the tower. And i bet after i use a few id, your healers will try to run around healing. It even causes your units to run to my kegs sometimes. So you will have lots of work keeping your units stand still. Only a few kegs can cause that much chaos among your units, how much an entire dragon force will do to you?

Now you say that i have 2 spirits and 1 spirit can't kill you, then y not use 2? Don't tell me most of your units can survive 2 spirits even with dark pact. Any way, 1 spirit can take down at least 2/3 or army if all your units are close to gether. IF not, 1 spirit can take down 1/3 or just say 1/4. 2 spirits will take down at least 1/2 of all your units and especally kill the healers. even with less units to atack you, but you are still outnumbered. Your nec may be hard to kill but you think you will win? I think you thin will win based on your past experience. But I think Dragon will kick serpent's ass in a long game (1v1). I say this because every time i got spirit(s), my dragon does not lose to serpent. Maybe it is time for us to fight. But neither of us can host. Well you can play baxter or wolfbite. They will prove that your serpent is weaker than dragon in a long game.

[IndominusRex 13]

Just try it then... I just say it.. I am better in playing than talking.. try it against me or diablo or darky

Edited May 13, 2006 by BenEducationNotice

[Darky 1]

just true true... dragon get owns by good dserpent player, and yes it is the player only... necromancer is the keys and vetkin is very important.

[cptheslayer 2]

Diablo, serpent is good too, but dragon is better. now tell me how you form your army and what your army consists of, and what BG's u use to win dragon when dragon has spirits. Even canons take lots of damage from spirit. Bandits and canon are the only 2 serpent units that cansurvive 1 spirit. So this means that most of your army will consist of canons and bandits. If you have better units to stand spirit, please let me know, im curious. Both bandits and canons cannot kill sam instantly.

Well, if i play serpent against Dragon in a long game (i don't have the chance to play this), i would make an army consists of

7 cannons/smoke

3 canons/mines

6 bandits/paralyzed darts

2 swordmen/mug

2 ronins/bb

3 xcross/weaken bolts

3 geisha/razor fan

2 geisha/dark pact

2 raiders/mounted

the rest train to be snipers.

Using these units together will require a lot of work keeping them in the formation you wanna use them. Don't just position your units any where.

[cptheslayer 2]

we shall see. But remember, it has to be a long game.

[IndominusRex 13]

cptheslayer, your post just makes you dont know anything about serpent.. only cannons and bandit can survive one spirit?

I already told you what unit can stand with spirit.. Any life upgraded unit can survive...

Edited May 13, 2006 by BenEducationNotice

[[LOT]rundown 3]

Dark pact helps but it won't help serpent  beat Dragon. And when do u know that Dragon spirit will be fired? Or u can just keep activating dark pact. Well even with dark pact, most of serpent units will be near death. You gotta try what you say in the game b4 you post it.

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I have used dark pact before and it does work. It was a 2v2 but we both were serpent and they both were dragon. They both mass spirited and we survived all of their spirits with about 7 or so geishas using dark pact constantly and they both had health and healing upgrades. Need I say more?

[IndominusRex 13]

yes, we can also activate dark pack all times.. But I think we need more healers...

Edited May 13, 2006 by BenEducationNotice

[[LOT]rundown 3]

Well not all your units will be clumped together and in the same little concentrated group so you won't need to use dark pact on all your units. You will have a bulge somewhere in your formation but you will have the dark pact there. The other units elsewhere will be less numerous and if he spirits not the main part of your army then big deal. Still lots of men, little losses.

[cptheslayer 2]

they both mass spirits and more than one spirits couldnot' kill your units? wow, then srepent was too strong that need to be balanced. Perhaps canons and bandits with dark pact can stand 2 spirits (im ont sure about that). But 3 spirits? Don't tell me that geisha survived the spirits too. If then did, then those dragon players didn't ues spirits one after another.

[[LOT]rundown 3]

Ok, you seem to not get it, they could only use up to 2 spirits on us at once and we had dark pact activated all the time with a lot of healers with healing upgrades and health upgrades. Our men were also spread out so even if they spirited the same group twice in a row they were still alive thnx to healing and dark pact. They couldn't get more than 3 yang because they couldn't waste that many men on spirit because if they had no army they would die. Also they wasted some of their yangs on upgrades and heros. Also if you send samurais in and use their innate ability you can only aquire up to 3 yang. It won't go up any higher unless you send a main army in. But what about yang blade, killed from a distance, dragon skin you say, once they die, our men run away before they use their innate and if they hit us a bit o well, they can only aquire up to 3 yang anyway. They were only sending in 1-2 samurais in at a time so it couldn't give them lots of yang.

[Guest Aramid]

Dark Pact can sometimes kill my army....hehehe..... any way it is hard to get yin in serpent clan unless I use ronin with yin blade. Ronin is too weak...hehehe....that will delay my upgrades

[IndominusRex 13]

Dark Pact can sometimes kill my army....hehehe..... any way it is hard to get yin in serpent clan unless I use ronin with yin blade. Ronin is too weak...hehehe....that will delay my upgrades

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Hehe.. just use one at a time..

[[ST]Fresco 0]

omg guys cmon i am no bad with serpent is my best clan and never cant beat good dragon players in long game i even see other games dragon vs serpent ( very good players) and the serpent cant beat dragon in long games( too many games)

if you guys said " i can beat one good dragon player with my serpent clan" i want to watch

[{Dark}KaBuKI 2]

i can beat a serpent player with lotus or any clan also depens on the other player how smart hi is but i also can counter any clan with serpent without abusing.

[cptheslayer 2]

rundown, i have played Dragon and what you siad is not right. my sam can get me up to 6 yangs or more, it will take a bit more time as the yangs increases, but it is possible to get 2 or 3 spirits in a long game. i can get at least 2 spirits and upgrade my archers, sam, dragonwarrior, kabuki, heales, and get Arah. If what u said is right, then what I could do in my Dragon game was just my dream.

Oh about the spirit, did i say serpent could not survive one spirit. Well i was wrong if i said that. But 2 spirits, i am pretty sure and i tried that with my upgraded serpent geisha. My upgraded serpent geisha just died from one spirit. Maybe dark pact helps upgraded geisha to survive one spirit, but to survive 2 spirits? I don't know about that. Dark pact does not increase res that much. Maybe the reason that your units survived the 2 spirits because your units was not in the center of the spirit and because your opponents lost line of sightjust before the spirit was fired. That didn't do much damage to your units.

Like i said, serpent players think serpent is the best, dragon thinks dragon is the best, lotus thinks lotus is the most powerful, wolf thinks wolf is the strongest. But i play all clans, and I only judge each clan by their ability. So once again, Drgaon isnot better than serpent in a long game; but Dragon vs Serpent, Dragon is stronger. This will never get nowhere. I am not convinced that serpent is stronger than Dragon in Dragon vs Serpent (long game) unless the spirits didn't do much damage to serpent units. Based on my experience, I have never seen my upgraded geisha survived a spirit. Even sledger/full upgraded could not take 2 spirits. The only units that i know can stand up to 3 spirits are zymeth. Im not sure about necro. Necro may survive 3 spirits. So 2 spirits will kill most units. I wonder how rundown's serpent units survived 2 spirits. the only reasons i can think of are the reasons above.

[cptheslayer 2]

yea you are right, fresco, i wanna watch too

[Darky 1]

oo whose the dragon player that volunteers.. i wanna play

[[LOT]diablo 1]

oh can i spec? darky plays cool with serpent. mayb ill learn a thing or 2

[IndominusRex 13]

I want to watch too.. or should I play?

[[LOT]rundown 3]

Well I am talking about one spirit released and then 5 seconds later another, if you do both of them at the same time then the snipers and geishas will both die. You have to be quick though.

[IndominusRex 13]

I think let Lighty be the dragon, since he's good in dragon...

[[ST]Fresco 0]

yep we need the best with dradon vs the best serpent, but remember in long games