Steak Wrapped Bacon

[Nano 7,892]

Previous account was used by multiple people.

Do you have any way of backing that statement up? Also, if it was used by multiple people, is there anyone else you can point to that was also known for using it? In other words why is it being associated with just you?

I'd rather keep all comments on the forum so nobody can complain later that the decision was unfair or based on non-presented information.

[arshaven 2]

It was over two years ago, so no I can't. It's associated to me because I used it mostly and because of the names I used on the lotus servers. If I was a hacker, would VAC really not have detected me in the past 2 years of playing on lotus? Also you can be VAC banned for messing with the game files. Again, I don't really know why the account was banned, it just said it was, after a week off it. On Lotus, my friends usually just used a name similar to mine, so no, I cannot provide concrete evidence.

[Nano 7,892]

It was over two years ago, so no I can't. It's associated to me because I used it mostly and because of the names I used on the lotus servers. If I was a hacker, would VAC really not have detected me in the past 2 years of playing on lotus? Also you can be VAC banned for messing with the game files. Again, I don't really know why the account was banned, it just said it was, after a week off it. On Lotus, my friends usually just used a name similar to mine, so no, I cannot provide concrete evidence.

I'd like to take you at your word, however we get people every single week in these forums making up fake stories to justify/explain away either current or past issues. Because most people lie (I'm not saying you are) but because most people do, unless you can somehow provide some evidence that you weren't the one hacking on the account you used, then the ban to that account did apply to you. You were aware the account you used for TF2 was banned (by your own admission) and thus created an alt to avoid the ban.

Creating an alt to avoid a ban is not allowed, and all alt accounts for that reason receive perm bans. You knew it was banned (that's why you created the alt).

Frankly, the most obvious reasoning for all of this is that you were hacking on an old account, got caught, created a new account, stopped hacking, and blamed the old account on a fictional individual who never existed. To be clear I will never know what actually happened, because only you know for sure. But this is the logical conclusion that best defines the evidence as it stands right now.

[seraphinianus 6]

This is Simon. I am a regular to the server (Lotus 24/7 2fort east coast) that Steak Wrapped Bacon plays on. I vouch for him because he is consistently a team player and a supporter of Lotus clan. During the past year that I've played with him, he has played the game the way it should be. He has not hacked or "griefed" (in the most traditional sense of the word) on any Lotus Clan server. Some players who disagree with my statement may have personal differences with Steak Wrapped Bacon, and that should be taken into consideration. For every player who has a problem with him, he has many more players from Lotus who would support and vouch for him.

I do not know the reason for his ban but I come to his defense because he is an outstanding individual who should be allowed back onto the Lotus Clan servers. I thank you for your time and consideration.

If Simon may comment on how he finds Steak Wrapped Bacon "consistently a team player," I would like to comment on how I've found the opposite. My experience with Steak over the past several months has been consistent trolling, primarily through donor privilege abuse. For example, he will consistently call votekicks on players for no apparent reason other than a personal distaste, until eventually the vote passes. In addition, I've heard him sexually harass female players over sustained periods. Neither of these practices are consistent with someone who cares about a server.

Additionally, like Simon, I don't know the reason for Steak's ban; but I'm not going to suggest that he be allowed back on to lotus servers without knowing those reasons.

[arshaven 2]

I'd like to take you at your word, however we get people every single week in these forums making up fake stories to justify/explain away either current or past issues. Because most people lie (I'm not saying you are) but because most people do, unless you can somehow provide some evidence that you weren't the one hacking on the account you used, then the ban to that account did apply to you. You were aware the account you used for TF2 was banned (by your own admission) and thus created an alt to avoid the ban.

Creating an alt to avoid a ban is not allowed, and all alt accounts for that reason receive perm bans. You knew it was banned (that's why you created the alt).

Frankly, the most obvious reasoning for all of this is that you were hacking on an old account, got caught, created a new account, stopped hacking, and blamed the old account on a fictional individual who never existed. To be clear I will never know what actually happened, because only you know for sure. But this is the logical conclusion that best defines the evidence as it stands right now.

No, I did not know it was banned on LOTUS. I found out it was VAC banned when I came back to use it. I'm not avoiding a ban on the lotus servers, because like I previously said there is nothing here to tell me that there was a ban in place. I found out not too long ago by having Afronanny tell me that my old account was banned from lotus. I did not make a new account to avoid a lotus ban. Made a new one, as I previously stated, to have my own account. Once again, there is no actual proof of anyone hacking on the previous account.

[Nano 7,892]

No, I did not know it was banned on LOTUS. I found out it was VAC banned when I came back to use it. I'm not avoiding a ban on the lotus servers, because like I previously said there is nothing here to tell me that. I found out not too long ago by having Afronanny tell me that my old account was banned from lotus. I did not make a new account to avoid a lotus ban. Made a new one, as I previously stated, to have my own account. Once again, there is no actual proof of anyone hacking on the previous account.

A VAC ban is equivalent to a Lotus ban in this case. Just because lotus didn't catch you doing something worthy of a ban ( 99% of VAC bans are hacking btw), doesn't mean we want those people on our servers (hence why all lotus servers are VAC secure).

It's not a far stretch (or unreasonable) to assume that if you were banned from accessing the lotus servers on your other account (which you were because of VAC ban) that creating a new account to get around it would qualify as ban evasion.

[arshaven 2]

If Simon may comment on how he finds Steak Wrapped Bacon "consistently a team player," I would like to comment on how I've found the opposite. My experience with Steak over the past several months has been consistent trolling, primarily through donor privilege abuse. For example, he will consistently call votekicks on players for no apparent reason other than a personal distaste, until eventually the vote passes. In addition, I've heard him sexually harass female players over sustained periods. Neither of these practices are consistent with someone who cares about a server.

Additionally, like Simon, I don't know the reason for Steak's ban; but I'm not going to suggest that he be allowed back on to lotus servers without knowing those reasons.

If this actually bothers you, then take screenshots or demos.

A VAC ban is equivalent to a Lotus ban in this case. Just because lotus didn't catch you doing something worthy of a ban (which 99% of the time is hacking btw), doesn't mean we want those people on our servers (hence why all lotus servers are VAC secure).

Ok. And where is the concrete evidence of hacking?? A so lotus automatically bans people with a VAC ban? Like I have stated several times, I did not purposely avoid a ban on these servers.

[Taigos 183]

If this actually bothers you, then take screenshots or demos.

Just viewing your chat log kinda proves his statement.

[No longer a Sexy King:^) 5,592]

If we give this guy a second chance because someone used his account and got him banned, or so he says, then we should give hazard a second chance too, after all it was his brother who got his account banned.

[Nano 7,892]

so lotus automatically bans people with a VAC ban?

From a VAC TF2/Source ban, yes. It's not like they hand those things out like candy.

[Willerms 1,794]

If Simon may comment on how he finds Steak Wrapped Bacon "consistently a team player," I would like to comment on how I've found the opposite. My experience with Steak over the past several months has been consistent trolling, primarily through donor privilege abuse. For example, he will consistently call votekicks on players for no apparent reason other than a personal distaste, until eventually the vote passes. In addition, I've heard him sexually harass female players over sustained periods. Neither of these practices are consistent with someone who cares about a server.

Additionally, like Simon, I don't know the reason for Steak's ban; but I'm not going to suggest that he be allowed back on to lotus servers without knowing those reasons.

Are you sure the votekicks aren't for afk players and that when he is sexually harassing female players that he's not just flirting with women he knows?

Just viewing your chat log kinda proves his statement.

To be fair- chat logs are one sided so you don't know if the player is just playing around or not. If you looked at my chatlog, I'd come off as a fucking kiddie that can't handle being killed.

[Taigos 183]

Several of his recent votes kicks were for "rageswitching, crying, naga go back to iO" Dont need to see the other side for those, they arent legit reason to votekick someone.

[arshaven 2]

From a VAC TF2/Source ban, yes. It's not like they hand those things out like candy.

And how was I supposed to know this two years ago? When I came back to use the account, it was VAC banned. I should automatically assume a policy that was not in place or stated anywhere? I wasn't banned for some other thing, I was banned for trolling according to YOU.

Several of his recent votes kicks were for "rageswitching, crying, naga go back to iO" Dont need to see the other side for those, they arent legit reason to votekick someone.

Those were jokes....

[Nano 7,892]

And how was I supposed to know this two years ago? When I came back to use the account, it was VAC banned. I should automatically assume a policy that was not in place or stated anywhere? I wasn't banned for some other thing, I was banned for trolling according to YOU.

What this request started from: Your excessive trolling

What we now know: You were ban evading

I'll be restricting my comments from here on to anything new only, not explaining anything already mentioned above.

[arshaven 2]

If we give this guy a second chance because someone used his account and got him banned, or so he says, then we should give hazard a second chance too, after all it was his brother who got his account banned.

I saw hazard's posts. I am not even remotely like him. For one you can understand what I am saying, and I am not cursing/nor insulting anyone.

What this request started from: Your excessive trolling

What we now know: You were ban evading

I'll be restricting my comments from here on to anything new only, not explaining anything already mentioned above.

You didn't explain anything. Or the reasoning behind having me permanently banned for something I was not even aware of two years ago. My excessive trolling? You did not state that before. Why is it now that I am suddenly permanently banned? Once again, I was never ban evading, you made this assumption.

[- Oli - 1,121]

This just sounds like another case of a butthurt admin that can't handle the job properly at all.

Funny that. The admin who actually banned you doesn't play on this server and banned because alternate accounts that have VAC or lotus bans that we identify are also applicable to that ban.

Not because he was butthurt. In fact he probably never even played with the player in question.

Also you can be VAC banned for messing with the game files.

I mess with game files. It's called your HUD and yet I don't have a VAC ban. I imagine it's very hard to get a VAC ban and it must be clear whether or not hacking ensued. One person played on the server I regular for over 2 years straight and I am unsure of how long he was hacking but Valve caught him for wallhacking potentially up to 2 years after he potentially began using it. That shows how easy it is to get a ban when one person can evade it for so long. And yet by "playing with some files" you received one. Conveniently you also state it was somebody else doing this. It seems very funny that you have a wave of excuses to throw up and to try and cover up the simple truth that you hacked, got banned and probably did not enjoy it.

Please try to clarify for me which of the following is your excuse (with lack of evidence) for the VAC ban, because I can see multiple reasons:

- Someone else is hacking on your account

- Someone else tampered with the files on the account meaning it got VAC banned

- You tampered with files and it got you VAC banned

- or the more clear one that it's a fabrication and that you hacked yourself. Any evidence or record of this old account using different IP addresses or is this other people using the account some poorly thought through idea to try and stay here?

trolling is generally directed towards one or two people, people that can usually take it

Trolling is deliberately trying to cause upset and by posting/commenting/saying inflammatory material in most cases. Looking at the chat logs it was evident this player was being inflammatory to other players on the server which is why the topic of this player being banned was brought up in the first place. I see two players in the chat logs recently who he seemed to be targetting, trying to ban and upset in general. I doubt they can "take it" and this is probably within the boundaries of cyber-bullying.

Those were jokes....

Well i'll say just looking at the chat logs it's aimed at two players, one especially you seem to be trying to provoke. Made me laugh so much on my chair... NOT

The reason you got away with not being banned for so long was an admin knew that you had a previous account that was banned by the VAC system but couldn't "bring himself" to banning you permanently on this account. This is despite it being one of the most black and white cases and rules set by lotus - if you have an account that was banned by VAC or lotus permanently creating a second account to circumnavigate this ban then when discovered this alternative account is to be banned. The fact that you trolled and caused inflammation of players was the reason why you were brought up in discussion. It is also secondary evidence and support for a ban, and therefore after many players said the trolling alone warranted a ban it seems clear that this is justified in more ways than one.

I would like to point out (as perhaps indicated in chat logs) that simon who is in support of you appears to be your friend. Therefore he has a vested interest in playing with you and so supporting the unban. Yet the other person who commented against (non regular and I apologise for not noting your name) you has no vested interest other than perhaps a game on a server where he can't be trolled or spammed.

Here are some of your best moments from the chat history:

Just for the record I don't think your "trolling" probably was going to be well taken by the hazmat (and pwny) guy you seem to be clearly trying to upset. Probably ruined his game or caused him to enjoy it a hell of a lot less. Just a lot of inflammatory, unnecessary comments.

"because fuck you"

"ur a retard marine"

"votekick naga go back to iO" - ex

"votekick hazmat rageswitch"

"i got several kills on you and you rageswitched"

"see? mad. raged to soldier then rage back to sniper cause i rape you"

"lol now i know hazmat mad"

"blu < steak wrapped bacon"

"nice rageswitch"

"lol hazmat hahaha"

"why is hazmat being such a fucktardio today?"

"why errybody gotta h8" - clearly players on the server don't all get along with you.

"when will hazmat learn"

"i said when will you learn"

"lol retard"

"lol hazmat"

"lol hazmat" (again)

"you scamming fuck"

"lold @ Kimbo"

"you dumb fagget"

"who isn't hacking" - implying many people hack? And that you do? good move

"cocks big*"

"learn my wrath bitch"

"demo spam demo spam demo spam"

"fuck"

"so you're basically a retard yourself"

"im retarded" - Your range of vocabulary certainly is.

"pwny is crying about someone moving back now"

"take it all bitch"

"lol pwny why not play on a chinese server" - Seems like this pwny guy may be in for a hard time. Racism (or implied from this comment) is also unacceptable behaviour.

"votekick pwny crying"

"what an idiot you are"

"pwny, will you stop crying. buck up lad"

"simon, i think penguin ragequit?" - Arguably shows that simon appears to be your friend.

"votemute penguin"

"ii2Wi i suggest you stfu"

"lolowned"

"and stfu"

"stop being a prick"

Worth my 2 pence (as big as it may be).

PS

So now murdering someone is on equal footing as hacking on tf2.

For once, I agree with Death Strike. I believe Steak should have been warned OR the ban should have been 2 weeks to a month. Not a permaban. True, he has been quite troll-y on 2fort though I am sure if you actually show him that there are consequences he will decrease this idiocy. He's been trolling Lotus East Coast for. . .how many months now? And no one reported him or recorded a demo. All of a sudden he is permabanned because a lotus recruit was targeted. I understand that you guys love your recruits and members, but I am pretty sure whatever steak did wasn't insanely offensive as to warrant a permaban.

He never said that somebody murdering someone was equal footing. The point is some things are not necessarily forgiveable. It's like some things that happen cause bars to people for life, inside the real world and outside. Why should lotus be different to policies tried and tested in other places in society. The saying he probably should've came out with was a "Leopard never changes its' spots".

As for trolling for months - that is irrelevant. If the behaviour is deemed unacceptable and in breach of rules punishments are to follow.

The reason for the ban (as stated many times) and clearly outlined by proloser was like this:

Trolling caused a ban request/query about player.

Further looking into the matter revealed that he had an alternative account that hacked - which in lotus rules state that a permanent ban is applicable.

Looking at the chatlog from just recently I wouldn't have been surprised if somebody like hazmat wanted a ban on this player, perhaps he hasn't the knowledge or the skills to try to get him banned. After all, some lotus people come to me to try and have somebody banned (despite being in no better position admin-wise) as they don't think they are able to do it well or effectively.

Edited September 26, 2012 by - Oli -

[Se7en 10,762]

Why do people shit where they eat?

No sense made. Reduce his ban to a month. All in favor?

Seems fair

Sure.

I feel like I'm missing something here. If that's the case, someone go ahead and enlighten me. Is this a special case or some shit? Cause if this is how we're rolling you can go ahead and urban Hazard and Jaeger to begin with.

[- Oli - 1,121]

Cause if this is how we're rolling you can go ahead and unban Jaeger to begin with.

Slightly derailing but uhmm... DONT EVER FOR THE LOVE OF MY SANITY AND HAPPINESS

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=93675002

[seraphinianus 6]

My understanding is also that you were banned from Lotus servers before, and that you are playing on this alternate account in order to avoid this ban - is this accurate?

I'd like to take you at your word, however we get people every single week in these forums making up fake stories to justify/explain away either current or past issues. Because most people lie (I'm not saying you are) but because most people do, unless you can somehow provide some evidence that you weren't the one hacking on the account you used, then the ban to that account did apply to you. You were aware the account you used for TF2 was banned (by your own admission) and thus created an alt to avoid the ban.

This is pretty simple. If this is an alt account of a banned account (which it sounds like it is), then he is permabanned on all servers on his alt as well (and should have been a year ago). Future alts may result in an IP ban.

So does the perma-ban rule stated above not apply to Steak Wrapped? Or does he get out of perma-ban because he promised someone else was using the first account? I understand that he has strong ties to current or former lotus members (not to mention dozens of keys worth of items from L Mars, strange Kritzkrieg from L | Pockets, wedding ring/unusualfrom Mariposa), but don't understand how the rules are actually being applied to him.

[Mars 288]

So does the perma-ban rule stated above not apply to Steak Wrapped? Or does he get out of perma-ban because he promised someone else was using the first account? I understand that he has strong ties to current or former lotus members (not to mention dozens of keys worth of items from L Mars, strange Kritzkrieg from L | Pockets, wedding ring/unusualfrom Mariposa), but don't understand how the rules are actually being applied to him.

No strong ties. He gave me a good deal on the items when he saw my bp. I feel neutral towards the player.

[Nano 7,892]

We are just waiting for one more person to review it in the morning. Then a final decision will be made.

[arshaven 2]

He just said you were banned for aimhacking. And yet you say it isn't clear? Not sure what could be more crystal clear than an aimhack to be perfectly honest.

Yes, he did. But there is no evidence. Please think before you continue adding no substance to my unban request. What could be more clear? How about a demo?

[DEATH STRIKE 573]

[Krash 1,040]

I am so over this. From the way i see it, is that this person could have just been calm and realized that hey, I'm evading a ban; Maybe i shouldn't attract attention to myself. So his story doesn't really make sense about turning over a new leaf and 'this other person' using his account before.

I reconsider, he's evading a ban, and therefore should remain banned (permanently).

[HeadSh0tBrent 2,156]