IndominusRex 13 #26 Posted April 3, 2006 Don't worry.. Your post helps.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cptheslayer 2 #27 Posted April 6, 2006 stardust is the key for dragon to own lotus. make a variety of units that do explosive, piercing, and mostly cutting. I would suggest to havce 3 archers(both light and fire), 2 id kegs, 1 Mandrake chemist(set it to be idle mode to increase healing rate for all units), 5-7 healers(mounted if available), 4 stardust, 4 sam in dragon spire, 2 flashpowder, 2 stun, and rest dragon warriors with chi. This will not work if the units formation is closely together when lotus has sc beacuse once sc is avtivated, Dragon units are almost gone. Its better to station melee a bit far behind range. and station flash and one chi in the front line. have all range in range mode by pressing N. Be ready to kill ds. Then the lotus won't rush in to melee unless it got sc. But remember Dragon has flash and Mandrake. Once warlocks close in flash them, if flash succeed, use all melee to kill those warlocks and don't forget to flash again or sc is activated. If Flash failed, that means warlocks use sc and run out of mana. Take advantage of this, your dragon warriors will kill warlocks. And Dragon still has Mandrake to activate. Activate it. This is a bit risky though because lotus has healers and warlocks might regain stamina for second sc. A better way is to for all units in the same position, but once the warlocks close in and out of dc range, use dragon spirit to kill or weaken them. And i know for sure that healers will die. If warlocks are still in dc range, use stun to stop dc then spirit and flash and mandrake and rush in dragon warriors to kill. Now if Dragon is able to not letting lotus get sc, then just use stardust and send in spearman to stun dc and run him back. Most of the time, there are more than one dc, so just keep doing this. Lotus has to stay still and shoot under dc. But Kabuki and dragon warrior can hold them for a very long time with help of healers. And once Dragon is sure lotus does not have sc, just rush in dragon warriors, then spearmen to stun dc( stun all if possible). Once the dc is stopped, use spirit, flash. And Dragon wins. Note: usually Lotus does not have many offensive units due to staff with dc's and healers. This is a weakness in lotus. So my strat will work when Dragon just stands face to face and do the shooting and miss while dragon warrior and kabuki block most of missils to hit Dragon range units( besides archers and Id have long range). Also, use stardust to stop lotus range units from shooting. Once lotus can't shoot under the effect of stardust, spearmen should be able to safely run in to stun dc and run back. what can the lotus do against Dragon with this strat? Lotus need to make less dc's and less healers and must get sc. DS is the pain in the eye when it can't be targeted. If this happens, Dragon must retreat or just rush in and hope to win. Now what is written is just my strat and I have not tried it on lotus experts But i tried it against good lotus and i won. Though it was hard to manage this strat and most of the times, i lost control over my units. I remember a few days ago, I teamed up with ST's in 3v3. I was dragon, outlaw was serpent, Fresco(??) was serpent. We fought against Serpent, Dragon, and Lotus. My oppenent said that I did nothing in the game. That I was 1000 times newbish. He was a good 1v1 and i lost to him but he knew nothing what i did in the 3v3 game. i didn't do much damage, but i stopped lotus from abusing with dc. and my id destroyed towers. Then my great serpent mugged their dc and finally my spirit killed and weakened most of their units. And we rushed in, some of them fled and never came back to fight us. I didn't do most of the killings, but i helped a lot. I guess without my help, my great serpents would have had a harder time to detroy those fiercly opponents. One thing that i laughed at the game what that i used my stardust on Arah and Arah ran to engage in melee and die before she reached halfway. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dragonsoul 3 #28 Posted April 7, 2006 LOL, Don't use the word 'flash'. It made your post look so funny. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Adeon 3 #29 Posted April 7, 2006 Have archers that u can burn buildings with and stardust and flashpower "or what it is called" And arah then u can own lotus ....l think Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lord Kenji Oja 0 #30 Posted April 7, 2006 Also, it would be good if you gave your archers Fire Arrows and Dragon Warriors Flame Blades. Warlocks and Master Warlocks, some of their best units, are weak against fire. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cptheslayer 2 #31 Posted April 8, 2006 warlock is not weak against fire. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LordDianWei 1 #32 Posted April 8, 2006 again i must step in and point out that flash powder does not go through dark canopy because of a bug. I also must point out that your talking about massing a huge army, which by the time you do you can have a lotus army that is mass soul chill (and taht will kill all dragon units with the press of a button) and mass dark canopy. The problem with dragon vs lotus is that lotus doesnt need to wait to late game to get you. They get the battle gears that overpower dragon very very early. So with that in mind lets start over and try again. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cptheslayer 2 #33 Posted April 8, 2006 that is why dragon must stay at base and defend. with the help of tower, stardust and stun, lotus will have a harder time. and sc is powerful but i think i can prevent it. I use stardust on VP-lord, and warlock/sc rushed in to activate sc on my dragonwarriors but my dragonwarriors are way back behind kabuki/flash. so warlocs had to use sc on my kabuki, then i charged in my dragon warriors. If sc is not activated on my kabuki, ill flash them and flash. I tried to use dragonspirit, but lotus activated dc again on time and i missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Adeon 3 #34 Posted April 8, 2006 Yea, l remember that ...it was unlucky but very lucky for him Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cptheslayer 2 #35 Posted April 9, 2006 yea, and i got too many kabukies anyway. and i didnt get arah. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kasedo 1 #36 Posted April 9, 2006 well what i do in my case i do some samurais and at leat 10 to 15 archers i usually used when i play againt my super ai but most of the time works you know like 74% i hope these would help you peace out Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cptheslayer 2 #37 Posted April 9, 2006 hehe talking about ai. use any one type units to kill ai. see how eazy that is. i don't use ai to test my strat, but instead i use ai(super) to test strengt, weaknesses, and damage of each unit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aJay{III} 0 #38 Posted April 10, 2006 again i must step in and point out that flash powder does not go through dark canopy because of a bug.I also must point out that your talking about massing a huge army, which by the time you do you can have a lotus army that is mass soul chill (and taht will kill all dragon units with the press of a button) and mass dark canopy. The problem with dragon vs lotus is that lotus doesnt need to wait to late game to get you. They get the battle gears that overpower dragon very very early. So with that in mind lets start over and try again. 6045[/snapback] yeah that's a really hard situation for a dragon player to try and beat.. what i would do is... (in a late game situation with all towers/defensive units up and whatnot) is to try and sneak into the lotus player's base (like take an alt entrance to where the lotus players base does not have many defenses around and take a group of fire archers, like 4-6 at the most and start burning his base down.. the key to winning a long game against a lotus player is to try to seperate his units away from the Dark Canopy. Spearman that have that stun thing (sry, forgot what it's called being away from the game for so long) would really be a waste of a peasent considering the fact that the lotus player would find that spearman easily and focus attacks on him. ontop of that.. a lotus army would generally have more than one staff with DC, so it'd be even more of a hassle taking a group of spearmen and trying to stun down EVERY single staff adept the lotus army has. so yeah, basically to win a long game against lotus, take advantage of the range of the dragon clan (like archers with improved range, and indirect fire) and also consider the fact that the lotus clan is very slow, so it'd be easy for you to quickly run from it's units. (use "hit and run" tactics) a dragon player would never kill a lotus player in an open field, so the dragon player must try different tactics that would split the focus of the lotus player on attacking your main army.. do things like taking a group of fire archers to a lotus base and start burning down his buildings alot of it is really about instinct and good judgement.. you have to know what the lotus player is thinking and what he'd do when you do what- which is what you should base your reactions on. Like for example you see an unclean one about to throw a skull into the middle of your army, or a group of warlocks approaching you about to let off an SC, you should be quick enough to realize what the lotus is doing and react from it by running away. the hit and run technique is really helpful against a lotus army because the dragon clan has units that could outrun alot of the "important" lotus units (locks, uncleans, etc.) this advice is based on my experiences against the lotus clan playing dragon.. so yeah i hope it works Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IndominusRex 13 #39 Posted April 11, 2006 This Dragon must be very very very good... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[LOT]diablo 1 #40 Posted April 11, 2006 hit and run is good...... ive tried it so many times........ but dman sc always gets me.......... i start running but sc just gets my archers..... one sc can leave a bunch of archers in red health..... so..... hit and run is like the only option i have.. eventhough is very hard..... especially when they have like 10 sc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cptheslayer 2 #41 Posted April 11, 2006 like i said, what is stardust for? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[LOT]rundown 3 #42 Posted April 11, 2006 Startdust prevents missile units from shooting for a short period of time Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IndominusRex 13 #43 Posted April 12, 2006 Stardust is from kabuki warrior and Shrine Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[LOT]diablo 1 #44 Posted April 12, 2006 i know what stardust is..... but it doesnt stop warlocks from doing sc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[LOT]rundown 3 #45 Posted April 12, 2006 yea, the only way to stop sc is like mug, vetkin, or dw Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IndominusRex 13 #46 Posted April 13, 2006 dragon's watch tower will do Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aJay{III} 0 #47 Posted April 13, 2006 dragon's watch tower will do 6235[/snapback] once the stun finishes the dragon army is dead. and while the warlock's are stunned oen of the lotus' staff adepts can run by the tower and use DC to protect the stunned warlocks from ranged attacks.. dragon tower wont help much Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IndominusRex 13 #48 Posted April 14, 2006 About tower stun then DRAGON's FIRE? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cptheslayer 2 #49 Posted April 16, 2006 One Dragon Spirit only takes a little bit more than half of warlocks' healths. need to use a few flashpowder and try to kill those sc warlocks. Or Dragon will die. SC is too powerful even more powerful than Dragon Spirit. Even mounteds units are killed with just one activation of about 6-8 sc. Nothing can withstand a force that powerful. Now if we use Dragon Spirit then Kabuki to flash them, and try to kill them with dragon warriors then Dragon will have a better chance. The tower charge duratoin is not long enough for Dragon to slay those warlocks. Perhaps, 2 spirits should do, but that is almost impossible in a non-long game. However Lotus is not stupid. Their corrupted minds teach them to stay out of tower charge range and stay under dc. It is hardlyy to use tower charge before the tower is destroyed. The best way to win is to use tower charge spirit and flash. But Lotus is smart. Can't do this. The best way is to prevent Lotus from getting stamina for sc, then take down lotus towers and rush in with dragon warriors asap. This is another risky way to win. Make lots of dragon warriors with chi. Then when rush in and activate chi a little b4 sc is activated then inactivate chi and let dragon warriors cut those warlocks into pieces. This is too risky. Lotus is smart so it might not activate sc and wait for the chi to be inactivated. Oh get a few geishas to sacrifice to heal dragon warriors( sacrify only when needed, one at a time). Too risky huh. Does sc work through chi? If it does, then sc should not be in the game; nothing can live after being cut by sc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cptheslayer 2 #50 Posted April 16, 2006 Don't try what is written above at home! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
