I Can't Leave Gracefully?

[IceSage 58]

So, I was told I'm not able to make an unban request, respected it, then... even though the post was complete non-sense and I feel like, at this point... the admins can do whatever they want because I honestly, love these servers so much that I'd rather not be one of those guys that "cause trouble" by arguing their bans, etc... I just wanted to make a post, say I had a great time, and leave.

However, immediately I get snarled at with "Oh hahah that guy's such an asshole the evidence says otherwise" and "Well, you're not actually making an unban request, right? Then don't post." -- You know, as if I we even WELCOME to make one?

I wanted to let it go, but that was rather annoying. Like I said, I'm too stressed out and have a lot of negative things going on my life to bother playing TF2, so the timing was kind of perfect. Do I think I deserve it? No. While I won't formally "beg and plead" to be allowed the privledge to play on my favorite servers again for... quite some time. (If even reconsidered then) the whole mocking me with the whole "the evidence speaks for itself" is dismaying. I didn't even read all the stuff in the post to be honest, as I had assumed most of it was truth-stretching and nonsense. Lo and behold, most of it was.

I'm making this post to defend myself.. You can treat it as an unban request if you want, but like I said if the admins truly feel like I'm causing THAT much chaos, I'm going to respect that. It may seem like these posts are "playing" nice but honestly, I really am a nice person and enjoy this community a lot.

I'm going to respond to each point from the thread.

Examples:
Two lotus recruits were kicked/harassed.Recruit A, who was immediately banned when he joined Worst's server, because the former didn't "recognize" him as a lotus recruit. We have also received several complaints while randomly playing on different lotus servers about him.

I only know of 1 Lotus recruit that I've ever kicked. I did not harass that particular member. In fact, I added him on my friends list and greatly apologized for the mistake. May I ask who was the 2nd? I will, however, tell you the explanation of the only situation I knew of. Keep in mind, it's not just ME putting out these votes for kicks and bans, it's the ENTIRE SERVER at any given time having an issue and attempting to do the same. I, however, started donating, so it's just easier for these go pop up. Isn't that what the special privilege of donator is for? To have the ease to put up the votes?

Story #1

This was 3 months back I believe. This was on Arena! Chicago. We're playing a game of Sawmill and a player arrives on the server talking in mic chat saying the... WEIRDEST things. I honestly can't remember any specific examples at the time, but it was just the manner in which he was saying them. I didn't even notice the "recruit tag" until people start putting up votes to kick the guy. (the 3 votes didn't go through because it was oddly timed where people were just putting up kick votes... it didn't stack to 3 yet at this point.)

However, when I noticed the "tag" I noticed something odd about it. It wasn't typed correctly. At this point, from the weird trollish behavior (that we thought was trolling) from earlier and the fact that the tag was wrong... I thought this was some random guy who came to Lotus, saw the recruit tag, and decided to mock Lotus Clan remembers / recruits.

To ensure that he was actually a recruit... I, well, asked him. The conversation went something like this.

Me: "Wait, you're a recruit!?"

Him: "Yeah I'm a recruit."

Me: "Is that so? How long you been playing on Lotus?"

Him: "I'm a recruit man, don't you believe me?" (In a very sarcastic tone.)

Me: "That's not what I asked, how long you've been playing?"

Him: "Listen troll, I'm a recruit. Totally a recruit man. You're trolling me right?"

Me: "Well, your tag is typed wrong."

Him: "I'm a recruit for reals! Shut up you troll!"

(At this point, the rest of the server starts telling him to shut up.)

Me: "Sorry if we're giving you a hard time, but you seem to be trolling us. I'm familiar with the forums, what name is on your application?"

Him: "Shut up troll, my god you're a bad troll."

(Rest of the server tells him I'm not trolling.)

Me: "No, really, I don't see your application on the forum. Could you tell me what name you were approved to put the L-r | tag in? I don't see it with your current name."

(At this point he proceeds to attempt to kick me.)

Me: "Listen, we don't like it when people mock louts around here." (I said it in a serious but also sarcastic tone) "you have one more chance to stop repeating that 'I'm a troll' and either change your name to the correct recruit tag, or tell me WHAT YOUR NAME IN YOUR APPLICATION IS."

Him: "Fuck you man." (Went on for about 5 minutes.)

At this point, we all thought he was a troll, mocking Lotus and avoiding a whitelist for the recruit tag. (Even though there is no whitelist, but the way the recruit to was put in, was put in as "L -r I Name"

As far as I'm aware, it's not typed like that. I figured he thought there was a whitelist, avoided the real tag... and avoided the subject of telling me what his application name was, because... well, he wasn't a recruit. Because anyone else who actually applied would know this shit.

We proceeded to ban him.

Kitten then shortly PMed me via Steam and asked if I had banned someone. I said I had, because there was someone who appeared to be trolling saying he was a recruit. Kitten told me he was indeed a recruit. I told her that the tag was wrong and he was acting inappropriate, and sorry for the mix up.

I added the dude to my friends list, and we parted with no hard feelings.

Story #2

An instance where someone was banned by worst.sniper.ever/Icesage for hacking and they had video (twitch.tv) clear proof that he wasn't.

This user was indeed hacking. Other users were trying to kick this guy as well. Again, like I stated before... I put up the votes BECAUSE OTHER PEOPLE ARE ALSO DOING SO. I'm part of the server who is also trying to remove someone from a server who we all believe is hacking. Whether he actually is or not is aside from the point... It appeared to hacking to me. It appeared as hacking to almost EVERY PERSON ON THE SERVER except 3 people who just kept repeating "Nah he's pro."

When asked why this person was doing some impossible things, and making snappy motions.. People just kept replying with "Dude he's not a hacker he has a twitch.tv account."

That means nothing to me. That means nothing to the people who felt victim to his abuse.

How on Earth does having a Twitch.tv account automatically excuse inappropriate hacking tools? I'm sorry, but it doesn't. Having a twitch.tv isn't "clear proof" that he's not a hacker. It's only clear proof for one thing and one thing only...

That he is able to stream himself playing online outside of TF2.

That is it. That does not excuse the hacking that this particular person was doing. Congratulations, now people can see you hacking outside of TF2 instead of spectating you inside of TF2, well done.

Again, whether he was or not isn't the point... the point being the reply of "I have a twitch.tv" isn't a legitimate explanation to the oddly impossible shots he was getting.

Neither should I be held accountable for if a ban goes through that the ENTIRE SERVER was trying to do.

Story #3

When IceSage made the post on the forum about the server votekicking engies, and admin immediately joined his server. Most of the people who'd been there before were still there (he'd only left a few minutes before), and several expressed to the admin over voice that they'd felt they were being trolled by him.

Actually, no administrator joined the server. Unless they were invisible somehow. I know because I continued to play there. If this did happen, people saying that they were being "trolled by me" not only isn't possible... but even if it was said, I don't understand how I was trolling. Unless, of course, they meant I was trolling by purposely playing gunslinger engineer. Which, I'm 100% positive is what they meant.

If you take a look at the demo from the post I made, it was clear that 3 players (or 1 player in that demo) felt as if I was "abusing administrator because THEY COULDN'T KICK ME FOR GOING GUNSLINGER ENGINEER" -- The entire time that round I did not even bother to put up a vote, (AS FOR FEAR THE SHIT IM BEING ACCUSED OF AND TRYING TO DEFEND MYSELF OVER would happen.) You know what I did? I got the evidence and posted it on the forums, and simply played the game normally. (I didn't even harass the dude for being an asshat.)

The fact that you're using this as an example means I know you're trying to nitpick... as this example was an example of where I was being at my nicest, even recording evidence of both my behavior and other people's behavior.. with both SCREENSHOTS AND A DEMO.

You can even hear in the demo 2 people OUTRIGHT SAYING THAT THOSE PEOPLE WERE TRYING TO KICK THEM FOR PLAYING GUNSLINGER ENGINEER EARLIER.

It went something like this,

"Worst, you're abusing admin powers."

Me: "I'm not an admin, and how am I abusing anything may I ask?"

"You're annoying me because I can't kick you for playing gunslinger engineer."

IN VOICE CHAT FROM A TEAMMATE: "Wait, why are they trying to kick you?"

In regular chat the guy keeps talking about how gunslinger engineers annoy him.

VOICE CHAT FROM TEAMMATE: "Oh, THAT'S WHY THEY WERE TRYING TO KICK ME EARLIER!"

...

After that, I stopped the demo and submitted the proof to the forum. In no way during that round was I "trolling" anyone? I was playing the game normally. In fact, since you went ahead and used stats as an example for all my wrong-doings which I'm about to defend in a minute... You can clearly look and see I never said anything or attempted to kick anyone that session.

Yet, somehow you're using this as an example against me?

So, I try to report people for abusing the voting feature, CLEAR AS MOTHERFUCKING DAY that their reason for doing so, MENTIONED SEVERAL TIMES IN THE CHAT AND BY PEOPLE IN VOICE CHAT that the reason was because "Gunslinger engineers annoy us."

Like, fucking shitting hell. THAT IS CLEAR CUT ABUSE OF THE VOTING FEATURE.

It is also something I have never done, ever.

Quote #1 - for crithacking

The player was crithacking. In fact, 1 other player knew he was doing so and tried to be funny and excuse his hacking by saying that it was skill and he must MGE. (Which is a troll statement because if he was critting a lot, no amount of skill can magically provide you crits.)

This player was getting 80% of the time. He was a soldier, if I recall... and he'd shoot 3 crit rockets... a normal rocket... and then 5 crit rockets in a row. I'm sorry, but that just is NOT possible.

Let me also point out that I put up the vote, ONCE. Going back to the thread where I, you know, tried to report actual douchebags... Apparently Kitten didn't take action against them because "majority ruled." (Which is also the douchebag quote they said in the screenshots.)

I'm sorry, now which one is LotusClan's policy?

Votes can go through if majority rules? Or don't put up votes if you think someone is hacking?

So far, BANNING GUNSLINGER ENGIS IS APPROVED BECAUSE IT'S MAJORITY RULES.

But, PUTTING ONE SINGLE VOTE FOR AN ACTUAL (OR EVEN SUSPECTED) CRITHACKER IS NOT ALLOWED?

Like fuck, if that's not double-standard (or fucking backwards as fuck) than I don't know what is!

Quote #2- for shooting a sniper 20 times in the stomach who wouldn't die.

I'm sorry, but snipers that are holding still having an entire clip emptied point blank on their stomachs are not nowhere NEAR FUCKING SKETCHY TO YOU GUYS? This guy was doing some weird stuff on the server, and I'd go to attack him, every shot would miss.

He then taunted me by REMAINING PERFECTLY STILL and let me shoot him UNTIL MY ENTIRE CLIP EMPTIED TO 0. He took no damage, none. I was not missing. This guy was an obvious hacker. After my clip emptied and my melee weapon was out, he then died after a spy shot him with a single shot, and then he types something about "oh that spy finished me for you!"

Again, let me point out, that I used the voting feature FOR WHAT IT'S MEANT FOR to put up a vote... And I did it ONCE AND ONLY ONCE. That's not abuse. Not even ANYWHERE NEAR IT.

Look at the chatlog, is there anything deceiving where I tried to ban him? No. I made it VERY CLEARLY AWARE in the chat logs that I was attacking someone who didn't lose health, and that he was hacking.

And guess what I did when I put the ban up? I typed the reason. Guess what it was for? "Hacking."

If it passed, the players knew what they were voting for, and they also saw the tons of text I was typing about the situation.

So... it's a democracy, but I get in trouble when the entire server agrees with me? (You know, when you, and I quote, say

, and votebanning them for this reason, even though many people on the server disagree.

So, "Many people on the server disagree" - And yet, many people pressed YES, clearly seeing the reason displayed on their screen, and with an 80% passing YES votes, he was banned.

So far, we're not making it clear what is abuse and what isn't abuse when it comes to the voting system here. Let's see, so far we have:

Okay reasons for using the voting feature according to Lotus logic so far:

• Voting for any reason is okay as long as the server agrees. It's a democracy.
• Voting for dumbass reasons like banning "gunslinger engineers" is a-okay.
• Clearly saying in chat that you're annoyed with gunslinger engineers and that's the reason why you're banning them is "a-okay."
• Accusing donators of "admin abuse" because "it's annoying that I can't kick them for going gunslinger engineer" is a-okay.

Not okay reasons for using the voting feature:

• Noticing when someone is hacking and pointing it out in chat.
• Using the voting feature and having someone be banned is not acceptable, even if the server is a democracy and votes YES to remove them.
• Putting the reason that pops up on the screen in the box for the PROPER REASON FOR WHAT YOU'RE VOTING FOR. (IE. Hacking.)

So, using the voting feature to vote on if someone is hacking or not isn't acceptable. Being a dick and voting off gunslinger engis is. Cool beans.

Quote #3 - For attacking from spawn while invisible and crithacking

This one I'm ashamed to admit was an error on my part. So sure, you got me there. I found out later on that apparently there's this weird TF2 bug where client-side, people appear to be attacking from spawn / can be invisible.

While I have been playing TF2 for years, I've never seen this stuff before. This is an error on my part and I apologize greatly to anyone I banned or "harassed" for this reason.

To be clear, all I saw was me dying to invisible players, rockets coming from thin air... and the Kill-Cam zooming in on this one guy who appeared to be both invisible, and inside of spawn.

I had no idea there was a "PLAYERS ARE INVISIBLE SOMETIMES AND ALSO, THEY APPEAR AS IF THEY'RE IN SPAWN" bug.

My apologies.

Quote #4 - Likes Homestuck

This guy was actually AFK. I was saying the Homestuck stuff to be funny. Whoopies gee-fucking my bad for trying to have funny on a server for this.

The other kaching thing was for Hacking, and that was for the aimbotting Sniper who was aiming up, but somehow twirled full circle behind him, and headshot me. Again, I never put up the vote more than once and the reason was clearly put as "hacking."

Quote #5 - For aimbot - "nobody aims that fast"

Self-explanatory. Aimbotter. Again, why am I not allowed to put up votes against people who are aimbotting? And again, explain to me, how if the ":majority of the server disagrees with me" -- That somehow, the majority of the server agrees with me enough to vote YES? Again, i'm not hiding the reason. It's not like the screen pops up with "KICK --PERSON--? Yes/ No" with no explanation... (Like most votes.) I actually put the reason so when they see the dialog, they don't just press yes. Most people, believe it or not.. If they don't experience this hacking behavior themselves, usually press 2.

Quote #6 - TeNEVERMIND LIKE FUCK STOP NITPICKING

Like, this is why I didn't want to respond to this ban. It seems like every time I do something it's like letting a piece of steak onto the wolves. I'm being prosecuted for almost every action I take.

None of these examples are me trying to be malicious. They're me trying to make sure the server is a fair playing environment and that cheaters and trolls are removed.

I just noticed that you even noticed that the above reasons are "proper" reasons. Like, so why are they examples against me?

Let's defend the so called improper reasons:

Improper #1 - For a medic not healing him

There was a medic that wasn't healing players. In fact, he wasn't attacking players either. He was just kind of running around with his medigun out following people around. He was not new. If he did manage to heal, it was never me and the person he did heal would get a split second non-heal. The server this was on is constantly full. I'm sure other people would like to play the game without having asshats walking around not healing.

How is removing a troll improper?

Is how is removing players who constantly stand by the health packs and pick it up so other players can't make use if it (on purpose) improper?

I'm sorry I care so much about the game. You really promote this kind of behavior on Lotus? Last I knew, doing this kind of thing was not only wasting a player slot, but also griefing.

Improper #2 - Two people immediately in a row for not being on the point

How is this even near improper? 20 seconds left on the clock. Goal of King of the Hill? Gee, I don't know.. getting on the fucking hill. What do I see when I'm scrambling to protect the point and get some overtime? A rocket jumper solider bouncing around from the back of spawn to the supply cabinet.

What else did I see? A sniper standing in the hallway aiming at the wall.

I'm sorry, but how exactly is this HELPING THE TEAM AT ALL?

It's improper to remove people who aren't playing the game? How is that improper?

Improper #3 - For not meleing him in a fight

Correct, this is improper use of the voting feature and I was trying to be funny.

Improper #4 - For playing like a f####t

I have to admit, again, I was trying to be funny. The real reason was that he was rocket jumping around the map, shooting people with his non-damaging rockets. Seriously. He was bouncing around, and when he'd attack other players, he wouldn't use the shotgun or shovel, he'd shoot them with rocket jumper rockets. He did this for about 10 rounds.

I admit I didn't put the "correct reason" but I like to be funny sometimes, and the server enjoys it. I apologize that this was TOTALLY IMPROPER OMG IM ABUSING THE VOTING FEATUREZ.

Actually, no, I'm not. It's been established that at a certain point, this type of behavior is kickable, is it not? I just put the wrong language and reason in to be a smartass. It's part of the "Worst. Sniper. Ever." persona. People think it's funny, and I keep doing it. I'm not actually like that.

I actually have other aliases other than the "Worst. Sniper. Ever." one, including "ace rimmer" based off the Red Dwarf series... and "Retarded Doc Brown" where people seem to respond more positively to that, where I just mutter, "Meh, 1.81 TERAWATTS!?" on the mic occasionally.

Improper #5 - This one seems the most ironic - votekicking an engie for using a mini:

If you had continued to read the chat log you would have found that one was a mistake. I was looking at him spamming for 5 minutes about "kicking for mini-sentries" and I confused it for him harassing mini-sentry engineers.

Then, there are two separate instances of him votebanning the same person for being afk when immediately after he joined.

Anyone with [N] in their tag is trouble. While I'm not an authority figure, I am preemptively removing them from the server because that clan, server, and their members, have a serious case of not playing nice.

I'd like to ask, have any of you ever been to their servers? They permaban for the tiniest infraction, and probably have the largest ban list in tf2 history. Their SourceBans is publicly available... And I can 100% guarantee you without looking that if you visit it, it will have at least 2 pages of player bans for only 1 day, if not more.

I went to that server once and shouted, "Come on guys, get on the fucking cart!" -- and instantly get banned from there. I posted on their forums and they harassed me for being a "douchebag" for accusing their administrators of abusing their abilities. (Because seriously, telling people to do the objective was meant as encouragement, not to be a jerk.) -- However, they apparently have strict swearing rules which I was not aware, nor did I get a warning, so I thought the admin was just being a dick because I killed him. (he was on the other team.)

Ever since then, a good 100% of their members have been nothing be harassing and apathetic, to me... and I'm sure others as well. Octo's profile page is literally filled with a bunch of comments like, "HAI OCTO PLZ UNBAN ME!" or "I DONT UNDERSTAND WHY I WAS BANNED YOUR SERVERS SUCK!"

I go back to their servers at least once a year to apologize, but they instantly ban me and called me a "douchebag." All this over saying "Fuck."

Trust me, you don't want these creeps on Lotus... And if they're going to ban you for sneezing, then I'm going to ban them for fucking breathing. Sure, you got me there, I "abused" voteban on the [N] members. However, trust me, you don't want to hear the harassing double-standard stuff they do while on a server.

Here is his (again, "admin abuse" not unban request) for Team Interrobang: http://teaminterroba...ghlight=icesage

I simply said, "Hey, i think we have some hackers here" and some guy votemuted me for pointing it out. I made 1 and only 1 post on their forums. Again, this is back in the time that I DID NOT REALIZE THERE WAS A GLITCH THAT MADE PLAYERS INVISIBLE I legit saw invisible players shooting rockets out of thin air.

I was never banned there.

Skial, "privledge abuse" : http://www.skial.com...ge-abuse.32269/

I'm not banned from Skial either, but what I posted was the story. I said, "Someone build a fucking teleporter" 3 times in about the span of 2 minutes, and I got muted.

been banned multiple times,

I've been banned once, with no warning, and nobody telling me what I was doing wrong and what was inappropriate. Back then, I played on one and only one server, "Lotus Arena! Chicago." It wasn't until I ventured out of there that I discovered the kind of oddness that goes on at other Lotus servers, and attempted to report a player.

Instead of that player being banned, I was told I was being perma-banned for "yelling on mic" and that this behavior has "GONE ON FOR AGES" and you received "several reports." (Aka 0.) I was also told back then that I've been warned multiple times (Also a lie, I received 0 warnings) and that I had donator. (Also a lie, I never had donator then.)

and now banned again for the same type of behavior.

Nope, I never did anything near the examples you gave now, back then. Mainly because I stuck to a single server, and didn't have donator.

Now that I have donator, I'm apparently being easily targeted and somehow a menace to the servers.

I'd also like to point out I still haven't received any warnings for any of these things the "administrators have collected" and had I known people were seriously bothered by anything I was doing, I would have stopped.

Again, if I'm doing something wrong, you should probably tell me. If something is annoying a player... you should probably tell me.

Why, may I ask, has there been so much silence regarding me on my end... and all of a sudden OUT OF NOWHERE SO MUCH EVIDENCE AND REPORTS THAT IM A TROUBLEMAKER?

I find it odd that, aside from the post where I votebanned that self-entitled douchebag who posted on the forums, I have not received:

• No warnings. (Aside that post with the guy who talked shit to the admins and was being a cock-nozzle because he was "SO PRO." I got 1 warning then PM'd to me.)
• Nobody has made any ban requests against me. (I'm sorry, but where are all of these threads with people wanting me gone? If I was such a troublemaker that deserves a permanent ban, I would think I'd see at least 3 or 5, or at least 1 post a week about me. However, aside from that one douchenozzle, I see none.)
• Nobody has PMed me on Steam regarding any of this. I have about 8 of the admins on my Steam. The only admin interaction I've had was with Kitten, and it was about that Recruit guy ordeal. And I apologized to both Kitten, and the guy.
• Why have I never received a 3-strike system, or any type of fore-warning? Sure, you suddenly decided I was a ZERO-TOLERANCE CASE after you had banned me out of the blue the first time. But again, no warnings, no step ladders.. and frankly, even if ALL OF THIS BEHAVIOR WAS TRUE... Are you seriously telling me that it's really that bothersome to Lotus?

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If you look at my friends list... about 90% of the players are Lotus players, who play with me and have no problem with me. It's odd that such a community who seems to be bothered by me and is reporting me all the time (with the Non-existent posts in the ban request forum) seems to like me so much as to enjoy my company and continue to play with me.

Like, do I need to rally up all the Lotus players and have them vouch for me that I'm not a terrible person? And even if, in the admins eyes, the actions I do that is considered troublesome is actually "abuse" or "troublemaking" -- why is it not bothersome to them and most of them find it amusing and not really much of an issue?

I'm not a terrible person, I'm really not. In fact, I've seen people come to Lotus, do much worse, and then have the admins be like, "Sure, we believe you, welcome back!" for things like HACKING AND EXPLOITING... Which, if you read the chat logs, IM HIGHLY AGAINST.

And somehow, the person who cares for these servers the most and wants these players gone, gets nitpicked to death.

*Sigh*

Like I said, this was a post to just justify all the accusations and get things off my chest. I'm aware I won't be unbanned.

I'd just like you all to take pity on me and realize that I wasn't intentionally trying to cause trouble. I didn't view anything I was doing as causing trouble. I did things in jest, and figured nobody has had a problem with it since nobody informed me I was doing anything wrong. (Why am I the last to hear about what a bad person I am?) Why is it if the community is annoyed by me so much, that there aren't a bunch of ban requests against me?

Hell, THIS GUY: http://forums.gamingterritory.com/topic/26319-ban-request-boom-goes-the-dynamite/ has been doing much worse and he been TEMP BANNED several times, and there have been more ban requests against him... And not even he is being as prosecuted as I am.

Like, other people get warnings and temp bans... I've received...

A permaban, then another one out of nowhere for things I didn't even realize were wrong or even an issue.

In closing, I'm sorry you think I'm trouble, but since nobody has mentioned anything to me about it, and nobody on the servers I play with have a problem with me, I've always assumed I was playing correctly, in a funny manner, and used the voting features moderately and appropriately. (You know, especially if it's a democracy and justified if it goes through.)

I love these servers very much and I'll legitimately be sad I can't play here for a long while, or maybe ever again.

I'm a good person, I promise. I just wish I could have had a more proper warning or something.

Meh, farewell.

[+Dr. Obvious 14,606]

Asks if he can't leave gracefully.

Disgraces himself with walls of texts that sound like whining.

[IceSage 58]

Asks if he can't leave gracefully.

Disgraces himself with walls of texts that sound like whining.

Nah, I made another post where I just apologized for all the trouble, and said my goodbye. Then I get "WOW IF THIS ISN'T AN UNBAN REQUEST GO TALK TO YOUR FRIENDS ON STEAM ELSEWHERE" and "well man, all the evidence speaks for itself"

Sorry, I thought it was kind of mocking, almost as if I was being taunted.

Thus, I made this post to explain the post.

Like, did you guys want me to defend myself or not? I made a post to gracefully say goodbye, I get "Well, you didn't defend yourself? Well then, pretty obvious bye!"

Now I'm defending myself, and I get, "Wow, now you look like a fool."

I apologize.

Please don't be mean. I'm not sure how other people's minds work but I'm kind of bad with just accepting things, especially when I feel they're unjust, and I don't know how to respond.

I'm sure the best way would have been to just never replied or visited here again...

...But I don't think you understand how... sickening, I feel... that people believe I'm somehow trouble... Especially when I'm actually rather nice and have played on these servers for several years and think you're all such cool people.

Though, now that I'm banned it's okay to mock me?

.. Or were you just trying to be funny with my irony?

Either way, I apologize. I'm not taking this very well. I just want to make sure everyone's happy and convey that I never intended to cause trouble. (And I still don't think I did.)

I just wanted to have fun.

(I also have a huge empathetic / guilt complex... as evidenced by the fact that I tried to apologize to the TF2Newbs forum every year even though I think they're all jerks over there.)

I don't think anyone here is a jerk, and I know admins have to do what they need to do... but just something doesn't feel right about this.. and I want to make sure like.. that you all know I never meant to purposely cause trouble. I've always been supportive of these servers.

[Gotcha 6,307]

Dude...

[Nano 7,892]

unban request denied. a third unban request/explanation ever of why you think the decision was unfair or incorrect will result in restricted forum posting privileges for spamming (which it is)

Life pro tip: learn to take responsibility for your actions instead of trying to explain everything away as not being your fault.

As my father once said "do you really think everyone is conspiring and out to get you or is it more reasonable that there is something you are doing to create these situations?"

[Gotcha 6,307]

Life pro tip: learn to take responsibility for you're actions

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[Nano 7,892]

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