Ban Request: Abuse of Power

[That Infinity Guy 9]

Good afternoon,

 

Lotus has often been a place where the systematic abuse of it's own systems has been casually exploited. From unjust votemutes, to unwarranted kicks, Lotus is a place where it's own system has routinely been turned against those it was put in place to protect.

 

Prime examples of this would be -=(RAC)=- Deli, who spent three hours yesterday continually spewing off about virginity, dicks and racial slurs, alongside the need to get laid to several different players, all the while running around hitting walls within the 2fort base with the Escape plan. There are witness's to this, both partial to me and impartial (If I had known what would follow, I believe I would have taken a few screenshots). When the team had had enough of him, and attempted to votekick Deli, several members on Blue noted in chat that they would not support the vote because of his history within Lotus and because of a strawman levied at myself and others on Red. Because of this, several efforts to remove him failed.

 

Those that defended him and convinced Blu to vote against it also had a few things to say about me and my friends: with such gems from Sir Griffin like "fuckin fat mid-western white supremacist" and "go fuck yourself ARA, youll get more pussy that way". It should be noted, we have never said anything about White supremacy, or race in general that could even be misconstrued in such a gross fashion. This was in tangent with Cheetah'Guuy, though all things considered he seemed generally calmer (though thats not saying much) throughout, who actively sought to undermine votekicks against Deli, but also said similar things along the line of Sir Griffin.

 

Now I told you this story, so I might tell you another. Shortly after Sir Griffin made his leave, a certain person of power appeared, who was immediately swayed to a certain point of view of me and my friends by Cheetah'Guuy. A one, L-r | Luop90. Further manipulated by these people he proceeded to do his best to counter me (or get my goat through whatever means necessary). I was a Sniper using the Vaccinator Pocket to annihilate the other team un-molested by other snipers and offensive classes. After killing me once he proceeded to taunt, and make a what I am sure he believe to be some sort of witty retort. At this point, this has now given me the signal that we are now in a competitive relationship. I then proceeded to destroy him mercilessly, even when Cheetah frustrated at the outcome also went Vaccinator, but wound up getting Luop90 killed constantly due to his fundamental misunderstanding of the medi gun; holding down the charge constantly.

 

I then saw Luop90 in a fervent panic, jumping up and down and trick scoping back and forth attempting to kill me. I did not touch my WASD keys, standing completely still for nearly a minute and a half of failure, to which I body shotted him twice and killed him. After I regained my breath from my sides leaving orbit and wiped the tears from my eyes, I recounted the fact to him via All Chat that he had not landed a single hit upon me while I hadn't move, while we had everything exactly the same going for him. He proceeded to rage quit immediately, before returning and attempting to vote-kick me without warning or hesitation.

 

The final vote was 12 to 8, as my inside sources tell me a votekick requires 70% and voteban 80%(though others have told me 60% for kicks and 70% banns, however this does not account for the bann or it's length). I have witness's that will attest to the fact that A) the vote was never finished, B ) that it was indeed a Vote Kick, not a Vote Ban C) that the final tally was only 12-8; only 66% and D) After I was kicked I received an almost immediate Global Ban on All Lotus Servers for one day.

 

To prove the duration of the ban, here are two Screenshots; one from yesterday, and one from today.

 

I was given no explanation for this ruling, I was given no fair chance to explain myself nor warning, and from what the other thread requesting unban tells me, he has deliberately tried to cover his tracks on the manner.

 

I have played on Lotus for years; I am friends with many regulars and those in power. But I have never used my connection to remove people, nor have I ever abused the system in such a fashion. I speak to you as one who has a Love of the game and the server, and I would like to see action taken.

 

Thank you for your patience, and your time.

 

-Sincerely

 

That Infinity Guy

Edited January 30, 2014 by That Infinity Guy

[Ruby 9,039]

Banned STEAM_0:1:20028377 ( -=(RAC)=-Deli ) for 21 days for harassment. Verified over chat logs.

Banned STEAM_0:1:14788983 (Sir Griffin) for 14 days for vote abuse and harassment. verified over chat logs.

I'd like to hear from Luop90 regarding the last part of your post.

[Kerberos 3,170]

I shouldn't really comment since abuse of power threads are above admins leagues and only staff should handle them, however, thank you for taking the time to be literate, specific, acquire proof and provide it all in a readable fashion.

[That Infinity Guy 9]

Banned STEAM_0:1:20028377 ( -=(RAC)=-Deli ) for 21 days for harassment. Verified over chat logs.

Banned STEAM_0:1:14788983 (Sir Griffin) for 14 days for vote abuse and harassment. verified over chat logs.

I'd like to hear from Luop90 regarding the last part of your post.

 

Thank you for the swift action.

 

And I too, would like to hear from him.

[luop90 4,400]

Here's the case, I joined the server, and you were being a pocket vacc sniper. I had no problem with this until you started taunting in chat about how bad everyone else was and how they couldn't get past the heal rate. From this everyone on the other team (I was on the other team) was complaining about how you were purposely trolling. I did snipe against you for a little bit and you continued it, even though I clearly got about 5 head shots before you got a kill, you were still being a complete troll and saying how bad I and everyone else was.

From here, I was going to call in the admin that oversees me. He wasn't online. Since the !calladmin had been down that day, I couldn't call in another admin. (I didn't see any via my friends list that were online). So I went onto a different server, and did an offline ban, one that doesn't take place until after a map change. (Yes I am an admin on a different server). Than after that I reconnected to your server, to see if you had stopped. You hadn't. Here I called a votekick, one for being disrupted. And yes, it was enough to pass. It was a 12 / 7 Vote, which is enough to kick. If you don't believe me on this, ask LjubicaZubica, she is a member of the clan and was online at the time this happened. After you left, the pocket healing you was going DONOR ABUSE!!! Ljubica even said and I quote "The donor didn't kick you, the server voted to kick you, and the server decided that you had to leave". You immediatly reconnected, though somehow you didn't join completely. It showed your name in chat but you never showed up. (I do no know the cause of this, it was a votekick, not a voteban) No, I did pull a string to ban you, I purposely banned you myself, and it was only 1 day, which is on the lower end for trolling. 

 

I felt that you were purposely trolling the server (you were) and put a ban on you for it. It was an offline ban, so that I could justify it more by having the server kick you via a votekick, to show that the majority of people wanted you gone. 

 

Now as for deleting the ban, I have no idea. I cannot delete bans once they are placed. How it didn't show up in the database I have no idea whatsoever. I did not try to cover my tracks as there is no way I could have. 

 

Now, here are the sources which I had for all of this.

LjubicaZubica- At the server when this happened, agreed with me when it came to justifying the votekick.

 

Images-

 

 

(Oh yes, Infinity had his name as Miami Hotline that night.)

 

Mistakes on my part-

I admit that I should have given you a warning, but as you were purposely trolling the entire server, I just went along and did it. As for not reporting it, its a one day ban, that is not a long one and waiting it out is essentially always the response when someone posts an unban about it. 

 

Also- I knew that you were a regular. That's why I didn't understand why you felt like trolling. Its also why it was a very short ban. I knew you were just "trying to have fun" that night, but trolling the entire server isn't exactly the best way to do it.

[That Infinity Guy 9]

Here's the case, I joined the server, and you were being a pocket vacc sniper. I had no problem with this until you started taunting in chat about how bad everyone else was and how they couldn't get past the heal rate.

This is 100% dishonest, and it will be shown even in the chat logs. You came in, sniper me once and taunted me. It was then I went pocket vacc and you implied I was not on the up and up because of your failure to understand that vaccinator (AKA, implied at first I was cheating).

 

My exact words in response were "Heres a news flash...Vaccinator...Look it up". I never said anyone else was bad either. I laughed at the inability of the team to do anything at a very cheap trick, and stated verbatum the fact back to you. You took it personally. That's not trolling.

 

Even worse, if you check the logs, after you rage quit over the ordeal, I also said this to Cheeta, who was your pocket, "it wasn't his fault; he was a good shot" and "You literally fucked that guy, I'd quit to."

 

"From this everyone on the other team (I was on the other team) was complaining about how you were purposely trolling."

 

A great deal of people say the moon landing was faked. By "everyone" i'm sure he is refering to Cheetah and Griffin, who took their purpose to be to verbally attack us, and when we responded casually and with a laugh, they became exceptionally upset.

 

I've said it the last time I was in this situation, we are like comedians, and people like this are like hecklers. A good comedian will turn the tides on the heckler by making him the star of the show. This is what we did, and it's what we do. I will not apologize for it after three hours of incompantancy gives me a Deli and Griffin every single day. We fend for ourselves, and we do it in a way we can still have a laugh about it when it's over.

 

As my own chat logs perhaps said it best that night, "You should know by now we are reactionary, we react to autism, and laugh about it. It should only follow that a incredibly Mad Man like yourself and Griffin provide endless entertainment". This was of course, also, not directed at you. Though you made it about you and "others" very quickly.

 

"you were still being a complete troll and saying how bad I and everyone else was."

 

Not true, and the chat logs show it. I typed "LOL" and "GET DESTROYED" but not only do these lack context they also lack direction and people. 90% of the LOL and the GET DESTROYED imparticular, was directed at a Demo pan sticky jumper who tried to jump from your bats to ours, only to get headshotted mid air and land directly in front of me in a most hilarious fashion.

 

I'm sorry, but this is not "Trolling".

 

Finally, "From here, I was going to call in the admin that oversees me. He wasn't online."

 

What kind of backwards sense does this make to anyone. This is essentially the same as saying "The Presidents not here, but Im going to launch the nukes anyway."

 

You were given things completely out of context because you jumped in the middle (well technically high end), and made a the impersonal personal.

 

" If you don't believe me on this, ask LjubicaZubica, she is a member of the clan and was online at the time this happened. After you left, the pocket healing you was going DONOR ABUSE!!! Ljubica even said and I quote "The donor didn't kick you, the server voted to kick you, and the server decided that you had to leave"

 

The hilarious thing is people who don't even know or have mixed stomachs about me like Methods agreed it was indeed, Donor abuse. The "Server" hadn't finished it's vote, and might does not equate to right. The server also didn't make a decision to Ban me either. You did. The server didn't vote to have me removed, you made that step yourself.

 

This diffusion of responsibility is absolutely ridiculous. Last time this happened I was informed "The Admin just didn't know he couldn't do this" and was unbanned. Ignorance is no longer an excuse for those in power, and none of this constitutes anything along the lines of trolling. Especially, when taken in the context of what had occured that day.

 

If I had not come here and levied this, Griffin, and Deli would still be doing their thing, and I'd still be banned.

 

This has got to stop. It's clearly out of control.

Edited January 31, 2014 by That Infinity Guy

[luop90 4,400]

This is 100% dishonest, and it will be shown even in the chat logs. You came in, sniper me once and taunted me. It was then I went pocket vacc and you implied I was not on the up and up because of your failure to understand that vaccinator (AKA, implied at first I was cheating).

 

My exact words in response were "Heres a news flash...Vaccinator...Look it up". I never said anyone else was bad either. I laughed at the inability of the team to do anything at a very cheap trick, and stated verbatum the fact back to you. You took it personally. That's not trolling.

 

Even worse, if you check the logs, after you rage quit over the ordeal, I also said this to Cheeta, who was your pocket, "it wasn't his fault; he was a good shot" and "You literally fucked that guy, I'd quit to."

 

There was no rage quitting involved. I had to leave to place the ban, as I could not have done it from that server. And yes I know the vaccinator, I have had to snipe against it a many times, and it gets annoying. It never bothers me until people taunt and jab the other team about how bad you are. 

[That Infinity Guy 9]

There was no rage quitting involved. I had to leave to place the ban, as I could not have done it from that server. And yes I know the vaccinator, I have had to snipe against it a many times, and it gets annoying. It never bothers me until people taunt and jab the other team about how bad you are. 

I have allready levied a counter to this in my former post, and you have not done anything to convince me of the justifications otherwise:

 

"From this everyone on the other team (I was on the other team) was complaining about how you were purposely trolling."

 

A great deal of people say the moon landing was faked. By "everyone" i'm sure he is refering to Cheetah and Griffin, who took their purpose to be to verbally attack us, and when we responded casually and with a laugh, they became exceptionally upset.

 

I've said it the last time I was in this situation, we are like comedians, and people like this are like hecklers. A good comedian will turn the tides on the heckler by making him the star of the show. This is what we did, and it's what we do. I will not apologize for it after three hours of incompantancy gives me a Deli and Griffin every single day. We fend for ourselves, and we do it in a way we can still have a laugh about it when it's over.

 

As my own chat logs perhaps said it best that night, "You should know by now we are reactionary, we react to autism, and laugh about it. It should only follow that a incredibly Mad Man like yourself and Griffin provide endless entertainment". This was of course, also, not directed at you. Though you made it about you and "others" very quickly.

 

"you were still being a complete troll and saying how bad I and everyone else was."

 

Not true, and the chat logs show it. I typed "LOL" and "GET DESTROYED" but not only do these lack context they also lack direction and people. 90% of the LOL and the GET DESTROYED imparticular, was directed at a Demo pan sticky jumper who tried to jump from your bats to ours, only to get headshotted mid air and land directly in front of me in a most hilarious fashion.

 

I'm sorry, but this is not "Trolling".

 

Finally, "From here, I was going to call in the admin that oversees me. He wasn't online."

 

What kind of backwards sense does this make to anyone. This is essentially the same as saying "The Presidents not here, but Im going to launch the nukes anyway."

 

You were given things completely out of context because you jumped in the middle (well technically high end), and made the impersonal personal.

 

" If you don't believe me on this, ask LjubicaZubica, she is a member of the clan and was online at the time this happened. After you left, the pocket healing you was going DONOR ABUSE!!! Ljubica even said and I quote "The donor didn't kick you, the server voted to kick you, and the server decided that you had to leave"

 

The hilarious thing is people who don't even know or have mixed stomachs about me like Methods agreed it was indeed, Donor abuse. The "Server" hadn't finished it's vote, and might does not equate to right. The server also didn't make a decision to Ban me either. You did. The server didn't vote to have me removed, you made that step yourself.

 

This diffusion of responsibility is absolutely ridiculous. Last time this happened I was informed "The Admin just didn't know he couldn't do this" and was unbanned. Ignorance is no longer an excuse for those in power, and none of this constitutes anything along the lines of trolling. Especially, when taken in the context of what had occured that day.

 

If I had not come here and levied this, Griffin, and Deli would still be doing their thing, and I'd still be banned.

 

This has got to stop. It's clearly out of control.

Edited January 31, 2014 by That Infinity Guy

[luop90 4,400]

Actually you can. Lotus_banoffline works a charm. Then just start a votekick.

 

I did not know that I could issue a ban from a server that I was not on. I know that command, as I used it. And yes, I did do exactly that. I banned him offline than votekicked him. Just I had to leave the server as I did no know I could do that from that server...

I have allready levied a counter to this in my former post, and you have not done anything to convince me of the justifications otherwise:

 

"From this everyone on the other team (I was on the other team) was complaining about how you were purposely trolling."

 

A great deal of people say the moon landing was faked. By "everyone" i'm sure he is refering to Cheetah and Griffin, who took their purpose to be to verbally attack us, and when we responded casually and with a laugh, they became exceptionally upset.

 

"you were still being a complete troll and saying how bad I and everyone else was."

 

Not true, and the chat logs show it. I typed "LOL" and "GET DESTROYED" but not only do these lack context they also lack direction and people. 90% of the LOL and the GET DESTROYED imparticular, was directed at a Demo pan sticky jumper who tried to jump from your bats to ours, only to get headshotted mid air and land directly in front of me in a most hilarious fashion.

 

I'm sorry, but this is not "Trolling".

 

Finally, "From here, I was going to call in the admin that oversees me. He wasn't online."

 

What kind of backwards sense does this make to anyone. This is essentially the same as saying "The Presidents not here, but Im going to launch the nukes anyway."

 

You were given things completely out of context because you jumped in the middle (well technically high end), and made a the impersonal personal.

First- Griffin hadn't made a single comment when I was there. If he even was there when I was on. Not only Cheetah was complaing about you, we had about 5 snipers at this time (everyone wanted to get you apparently) and they were all complaining how you were being a troll.

Second- (I am going in order to your responses)

You did not just type LOL and GET DESTROYED. Check the second image, you have not deemed how that was not trolling. That clearly is. And as for your chat logs, I am trying to pull those up. (I have never done this before, so google is working wonders when it comes to help on that standpoint) (If someone who does know how does it before me, please post.)Yes, I agree with you when saying that LOL is not trolling. People say that all the time. Saying GET DESTROYED in the context you were using it is. Taunting and saying that in chat at the same time is trolling.

Third-

Hardly. I was 99.8745% positive that if he were online, he would have banned you personally. You were purposely jabbing at the other team about how good you were and how no one could get you.

Lastly-

I did jump in the middle. Yes. But that does not justify what you were doing. That is like saying "Oh he went and shot my friend, I now have the right to go and shoot him back"

[Kerberos 3,170]

I think the whole point of the banoffline command is it can be done from anywhere. I know for a fact I've used it on a server I was not an admin on.

[That Infinity Guy 9]

 

I did not know that I could issue a ban from a server that I was not on. I know that command, as I used it. And yes, I did do exactly that. I banned him offline than votekicked him. Just I had to leave the server as I did no know I could do that from that server...

First- Griffin hadn't made a single comment when I was there. If he even was there when I was on. Not only Cheetah was complaing about you, we had about 5 snipers at this time (everyone wanted to get you apparently) and they were all complaining how you were being a troll.

Second- (I am going in order to your responses)

You did not just type LOL and GET DESTROYED. Check the second image, you have not deemed how that was not trolling. That clearly is. And as for your chat logs, I am trying to pull those up. (I have never done this before, so google is working wonders when it comes to help on that standpoint) (If someone who does know how does it before me, please post.)Yes, I agree with you when saying that LOL is not trolling. People say that all the time. Saying GET DESTROYED in the context you were using it is. Taunting and saying that in chat at the same time is trolling.

Third-

Hardly. I was 99.8745% positive that if he were online, he would have banned you personally. You were purposely jabbing at the other team about how good you were and how no one could get you.

Lastly-

I did jump in the middle. Yes. But that does not justify what you were doing. That is like saying "Oh he went and shot my friend, I now have the right to go and shoot him back"

 

First, I don't care that you didn't hear it, ignorance is not an excuse. Cheetah was complaining because he sides with Griffin and also has said that shit before himself. If hitting the taunt button after a kill or laughing about a sniper who tries to SMG me from their battlements constitutes trolling, then you better get to work soon because not only am I guilty, but so are you.

 

Second, The second image has already been explained. You implied I was cheating, as the chatlogs will surely show, because you didn't understand the weapon. Also clear by your attempted counter with it. As gamestats show, I also complimented your abilities afterwards, as it wasn't entirely your fault, though you did get upset and did leave during that time. This is not, trolling. I'm sorry, but it's called the competitive nature of the game.

 

Third, that isn't your call to make, and it also isn't your call to just hand out unwarranted banns without explanation or reason.

 

Finally, conext allways matters. Zero tolerance policies are refereed to as draconian for a reason. In any court one considers the Actus Reus and Mens Reus, the guilty act, and the guilty mind.

 

Please explain how the circumstances equate to "trolling" and then define trolling, because at this point, it's just a rubber stamp label for those you want to get rid of and those you don't.

 

Did it ever even occur to you, that those who claimed it was "trolling" might have been acting like asshats and just got the show turned on them, much to their ego's fright?

 

This is not how any admin should conduct themselves.

Edited January 31, 2014 by That Infinity Guy

[luop90 4,400]

Yes!
Got the chat logs. You can see some of the beautiful phrases he used in chat.
Link- http://stats.lotusclan.com/player_histories/chat/831117
 

 
And no, I never implied you were cheating. I simply stated that the vaccinator was an annoying weapon that should be nerfed. 


And responce to you saying that it was unwarrented, and that I did not have the authority to and should not have made the call-

I have provided enough evidence to prove my case. I felt that you were purposely trolling the ENTIRE server, and the majority of the server felt the same. You would not have been votekicked if that was not the case.
 
Second-
Yes. I. Do. I had the authority to make the call (as you can see I did), and it was my call to make. There was no admin on the server, and none online, so therefor it did come to me to make the call. I have plenty of evidence to support my case, It was not unwarranted, and there was a reason and explanation behind it. 
 
I am done argueing with you. I have said all that I need to say. Staff will be the deciding choice.

[That Infinity Guy 9]

Yes!

Got the chat logs. You can see some of the beautiful phrases he used in chat.

Link- http://stats.lotusclan.com/player_histories/chat/831117

 

 

And no, I never implied you were cheating. I simply stated that the vaccinator was an annoying weapon that should be nerfed. 

And responce to you saying that it was unwarrented, and that I did not have the authority to and should not have made the call-

I have provided enough evidence to prove my case. I felt that you were purposely trolling the ENTIRE server, and the majority of the server felt the same. You would not have been votekicked if that was not the case.

 

Second-

Yes. I. Do. I had the authority to make the call (as you can see I did), and it was my call to make. There was no admin on the server, and none online, so therefor it did come to me to make the call. I have plenty of evidence to support my case, It was not unwarranted, and there was a reason and explanation behind it. 

 

I am done argueing with you. I have said all that I need to say. Staff will be the deciding choice.

 

Yes, the chatlogs I freely posted before hand, because truth does not fear investigation. Perhaps the chatlogs from you're end would also be of interest, and those of Griffin and Cheetah to see how they line up with how I responded. Because you know, Context actually does matter.

 

Actually, you didn't. You said that you had hit me 5 times, and that something bullshit was going on. That's an implication.

 

First, your "evidence" amounts to absolutely nothing. If anything, it has furthered my point; "What about this constitutes by any logical human beings standards 'Trolling"

 

Saying the Majority of the server felt the same is dishonest, as over a Third didn't have the chance to vote and asked questions in voice chat like "Why does he want to kick you?"

 

Second, No, you really don't. Otherwise you would be an official admin. You have a responsibility to provide a fair and just hand, a responsibility you have shucked because of illogical emotions and ignorance. Might =/= Right, and the truth is not subjective to democracy.

 

You won't argue because you can't. I am exceptionally dissapointed.

Edited January 31, 2014 by That Infinity Guy

[Kerberos 3,170]

Okay guys, let's leave this now for staff to take care of. You have both made your cases and shown required proof. 

[Sphagnum Peat Moss 748]

I'd just like to say that luop is an admin.  He is new, so other admins help him out, but that is no reason to take a shit on him and assume he has no right to act if his battle buddy isn't online.  Also, once you discovered the ban was only for 1 day, there wasn't much of a need to continue arguing.  It's too easy to just shrug it off.  All you needed to do here was state your case and show any evidence you had, and it will be reviewed.  No need for all the repeats back and forth.  Your incessant arguing, condescending attitude, and longwinded regurgitation of the same complaints paint a nasty image of you and your need to get the last (500 or so) words, and it makes it easy to see how you could have the propensity to annoy a server enough for them to votekick you, which they did.  Regardless of what you feel toward luop, you might want to re-examine the way you conduct yourself too.

 

Having said that, I'm sorry that you felt you were the victim of an injustice here.  We're not perfect, and it's quite possible that someone misinterpreted the situation or overreacted to it.  I assure you that someone will be along to review and address this soon.  Since it seems you've both exhausted yourselves and have no new evidence to contribute, I'm locking this thread until staff can come handle it.

[Ruby 9,039]

After reviewing the evidence and taking into account the context and the experience of the admin, I have decided that there will be no action taken against luop90 at this moment.

Thank you for your assistance with the other two bans.