Stats

[Rydawg 14]

w/e, if you complain about free services, you're not likely to get much sympathy from me.

Mana works hard to keep everything running smooth and doesn't need to be hassled every time it doesn't update on the 2 hour mark.

If he finds that due reason to leave, then he's free to leave.

QFT!

[Oww My Nose 19]

quit fucking talking?

[Rydawg 14]

Quoted For Truth!

[KillerKeg 10]

You guys worry about stats too much. Just kill a lot of people, it's easy.

[silvio 0]

I think this is a replay of socom 2 ,people trying to find out what gives the most skill so that they can do that as much as possible.

[Doxt 1]

I don't know why people are saying stats hate medics, I jump in stats after a good couple rounds as medic.

There's some truth to the people saying don't worry about stats. On the other hand it's fun to try and better yourself and compete with others; that is why we're playing a competitive game online with real people.

It's only when stats begin to interfere with your ability to enjoy the game your playing that it becomes a problem.

[-=^*Draco*^=- 0]

It's okay, I'm still the best anyway.

AND NEVER FORGET THAT.

[Doxt 1]

It's okay, I'm still the best anyway.

AND NEVER FORGET THAT.

and that is what TEAM fortress is all about...

[-=^*Draco*^=- 0]

and that is what TEAM fortress is all about...

All teams have a best player. Equality is such bullshit ;o

[Doxt 1]

All teams have a best player. Equality is such bullshit ;o

There's no such thing as equality just like there's no such thing as a "best player"

Everybody has a different role on the team. You may be good at the class you're playing, but you're nothing without a team to back you up. To focus on yourself is to neglect those supporting you.

[-=^*Draco*^=- 0]

There's no such thing as equality just like there's no such thing as a "best player"

Everybody has a different role on the team. You may be good at the class you're playing, but you're nothing without a team to back you up. To focus on yourself is to neglect those supporting you.

To any sport, game, etc, there is a considered "best player". Who it is is arguable mostly, but if it's competitive, and there's winning involved, there's a best player somewhere. There's also a worst player. And then there's everyone in between.

As for your second statement, did I ever say otherwise? As far as TF2 goes, me alone, I'm pretty damn dangerous. Me with a medic? Explosive. Like bad diarrhea.

[silvio 0]

I gotta agree with the best player thing,look at some of these people on the stats with a near 5 K:D ratio,they are either very good or hacking but if its not the latter than they def prove the best player theory for the most part.

[Doxt 1]

To any sport, game, etc, there is a considered "best player". Who it is is arguable mostly, but if it's competitive, and there's winning involved, there's a best player somewhere. There's also a worst player. And then there's everyone in between.

As for your second statement, did I ever say otherwise? As far as TF2 goes, me alone, I'm pretty damn dangerous. Me with a medic? Explosive. Like bad diarrhea.

"best" of each class, maybe. Overall, no. Nobody is going to be the best at every class and no one can argue one class is more important than the others.

It is egocentric to claim to be the best in game that revolves around teamwork. I know it was said in half-jest but you're not the only one with the attitude.

[-=^*Draco*^=- 0]

"best" of each class, maybe. Overall, no. Nobody is going to be the best at every class and no one can argue one class is more important than the others.

It is egocentric to claim to be the best in game that revolves around teamwork. I know it was said in half-jest but you're not the only one with the attitude.

To make my point clearer: Gold medals aren't awarded to the worst athletes. Well, most of the time.

Some classes are more important than others in certain situations/maps. You want to take out a battery of sentries? Uber a Demoman, or maybe a Pyro if no one on their team knows how to launch them while ubered (hint: sticky right beneath their feet, or the rare well-timed rocket). You can't expect a scout to take out even one. Though you don't necessarily need a medic, it makes it a hell of a lot easier. And I know without a medic, my K:D rate goes down by about half. I run mostly without one, until they figure out that they'll get more assists taped to my ass.

And I am somewhat of an egomaniac, no denying that. As for teamwork, most of the games on the servers completely lack that. Most "teamwork" amounts to coincidence, besides a medic + other duo here and there.

[Mana 3,867]

It's okay, I'm still the best anyway.

AND NEVER FORGET THAT.

No you're not. I always am. And even on the stats... Killerkeg bests you .

[-=^*Draco*^=- 0]

No you're not. I always am. And even on the stats... Killerkeg bests you .

You don't count.

As for that, remember I hadn't played in what, forever? And now I'm ranked 2nd already. Within a few weeks of playing again. I've been averaging at least 4:1 KD ratios since I've been back, because I actually semi-care about the stats now. You know I never cared when you first started the stats. If you had wiped my stats from what they were, I'd probably have a 4.5:1 KD ratio (or better) right now. Do I really need to mention how easy it is to play demo anyway? I play soldier most of the time unless I feel like breaking someone's twat in.

Anyway, give it a couple days, stats are meant to change. Usually in my favor.

[BobRoss 0]

To make my point clearer: Gold medals aren't awarded to the worst athletes. Well, most of the time.

Yeah, but Gold medals are either given to individual athletes in individual sports or to entire teams in team sports.

There is of course that MVP spot in some sports, and I guess that's special too...But the MVP of the Superbowl is not necessarily the best player in the league...

Some people may argue that the best player in the league is the one with the best stats...but what happens when a player with phenomenal stats gets traded to a crappy team (or as is often the case on TF2, due to teamswitching; a JV high school team, playing against a minor league team)? How good is a quarterback, if no one on their team can catch/block?

Also, who argues that the best quarterback in the league is a better player than the best defender in the league? The stats will be different for both...not really comparable. If they're both judged by the same set of stats, then the question becomes, which position do the stats favor (i.e. tackles vs passes completed)? This is the problem as I see it in the way the stats are set up now...they favor classes that are capable of getting lots of kills with relatively little risk of dying (heavy/demo/soldier/sniper). When you look at the top players, and you look at their numbers of kills/deaths, you'll see that they are mostly achieved playing those classes. Does this mean that there are no good scouts in the game? No...it just means that the stats favor certain classes, just as if a quarterback was judged to be a crappy player because he didn't have that many tackles.

To put it another way; if the only thing that mattered in this game were K:D ratios, it'd be called Quake deathmatch.

There's still something to be said for stats...I mean you don't get good stats by being a crappy player, unless you hack. And a really good player will still have decent stats even if they only play on crappy teams vs decent teams. But those fine grained comparisons; like small differences in rank or skill, or comparisons of players who play different classes; those are next to meaningless...and probably will remain so under any stat system because the simplified stats cannot accurately model the full complexity of the game.

[Mana 3,867]

You don't count.

As for that, remember I hadn't played in what, forever? And now I'm ranked 2nd already. Within a few weeks of playing again. I've been averaging at least 4:1 KD ratios since I've been back, because I actually semi-care about the stats now. You know I never cared when you first started the stats. If you had wiped my stats from what they were, I'd probably have a 4.5:1 KD ratio (or better) right now. Do I really need to mention how easy it is to play demo anyway? I play soldier most of the time unless I feel like breaking someone's twat in.

Anyway, give it a couple days, stats are meant to change. Usually in my favor.

What? You're retarded. Everything past 31 days is not counted towards things such as KDR (Bonus points do not influence KDR and carry over). But to test this theory of yours anyway I will delete your stats and we can see how good your KDR is. Would that help?

[You suck and have no life 203]

its funny so many people think that being a shitty single player makes them a great team player. Whats the logic for that? I cant think of any. A person cant master team dynamics if he hasn't mastered himself. If you can kill by yourself, you can kill on a team. If you can cap by yourself, you can cap as a team.

[-=^*Draco*^=- 0]

Individual athletes that compete against hundreds of athletes from different countries. They might have individual awards, but they're competing against a huge range of people. It'd be more akin to say, who's the best soldier in TF2, or who can get the most rocket kills per rocket fired.

But you can't argue that there aren't better players, or that there aren't players who are considered the best at what they do individually. Good teams are made up of good players. Out of those players, someone is probably better than the rest. That doesn't mean they stick out like a sore thumb, though.

Yes, stats are skewed towards the classes that consistently do the most in most maps. The only map where there's a real advantage for scouts is maybe 2Fort, and that's if there's no engy guarding the flagroom. Scouts are just weak in comparison to pretty much every other class in TF2. Honestly if someone's good at leading someone with a rocket (IE, hitting a moving target, even scouts), they're good at everything else. Spies are the only real anomaly in that category, as it's an entirely different playstyle. I don't have the patience, nor the personality, that favors playing a spy. I'm an in-your-face kind of player.

And heavies are weak against opponents that know what they're doing. Good snipers make short work of heavies, good soldiers know how to bend the corner, and demomen generally rape all around.

There's a huge difference between a good soldier and a bad soldier, though. Same with any class. And I know the stats don't take into account everything. I specifically want to see Destruction stats, for those of us that are engy-breakers.

[Mana 3,867]

And I know the stats don't take into account everything. I specifically want to see Destruction stats, for those of us that are engy-breakers.

Yes they do, every action except for walking or flying is counted and given points. Capping, defending, successful uber, team win, team loss, destruction, builds, etc etc.

Anyway, I'm closing this thread. It keeps on going in circles here.