Who Will U Vote 4 (if U Can Naturally)

[coda 1]

No Communism!

/agree

i'm curious as to your response to my statement camail.

[Readyakira 0]

America has a little bit of red in the flag...Conspiracy?anyways brb 100k a year

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/main.htm

[Anonymous Coward 0]

http://www.davidduke.com/general/obama-out...ebate_3717.html

[You suck and have no life 203]

If Mao didn't have communism, how the fuck did we kick all the white people out of China? It ain't their piece of the pie, GTFO!

[Troispoint 0]

Communism is hardly a utopian society. It pivots on the idea of the suppression of individual free will in favor of the group. Anything that has such an anti-human basis is a bad idea.

Now, I must say much of what communists say- i agree with. The whole idea of religion being the opiate of the masses and the hatred of corporations working with the government- i agree with.

But communism is deeply flawed- humans naturally compete. Humans naturally try to be better than one another- it's the driving force behind evolution. So to say communism is even remotely a good idea is ridiculous.

The only way for communism to work is if humans suddenly transformed into ants. Being's who's sole purpose in life is the survival of the hive. When that day comes, I hope I'm not around.

There is 2 "stages" to get through to reach the real communist society according to Marx. The 2nd one as never been reached by any nation yet(and its likely it will never happen). The first stage as you may already know is a, in theory(but in practice it never really happened) there is supposed to be a temporary dictature of the people so that eventually the final stage can be reached. There's no more government in that final stage. So individuality is supposed to encouraged not repressed in a real commie society. But I don't know much else about Marxism.

So yeah, its an utopia

[coda 1]

There is 2 "stages" to get through to reach the real communist society according to Marx. The 2nd one as never been reached by any nation yet(and its likely it will never happen). The first stage as you may already know is a, in theory(but in practice it never really happened) there is supposed to be a temporary dictature of the people so that eventually the final stage can be reached. There's no more government in that final stage. So individuality is supposed to encouraged not repressed in a real commie society. But I don't know much else about Marxism.

So yeah, its an utopia

In the final stage, everyone is completely and utterly equal. There are no classes. There is no competition. You cannot advance yourself or your family. Everyone is the same

=no individuality

=not utopia

[Lomir 0]

It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.

Sir Winston Churchill

British politician (1874 - 1965)

Yay for internet quotes so I don't have to put forward original thoughts on my own!

-Lomir 'The Sigless"

[Rydawg 14]

Living in Colorado, this year has been 10 fold what it has been in the past when it comes to ads, I was going for Obama the McCain, then Obama. I see obama commercials every 5 mins, this has caused me to look up another source. Ron Paul 08!

[Camail 1]

In the final stage, everyone is completely and utterly equal. There are no classes. There is no competition. You cannot advance yourself or your family. Everyone is the same

=no individuality

=not utopia

Sigh, you obviously know nothing about communism and pretend you do. In communistic society you get what you need based on your state. And you have no right to decide what a utopia is or isn't. Communism has been a utopia for hundreds of millions who were crushed in the depression or simply are int he wrong place at the wrong time. In the communist society no one has any vices and everyone lives without oppression. It is a utopia, as well as the City on a Hill and the BOOK utopia. Please understand what a utopia is before you try and state a fact.

U·to·pi·a /yuˈtoʊpiə/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[yoo-toh-pee-uh] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation

–noun

1. an imaginary island described in Sir Thomas More's Utopia (1516) as enjoying perfection in law, politics, etc.

2. (usually lowercase) an ideal place or state.

And ideal meaning idea. Meaning opinion of what the best situation should be. You can't have an ideal be right or wrong, its intangible.

[silvio 0]

and this is a fruitopia,can I has one?

[coda 1]

Sigh, you obviously know nothing about communism and pretend you do. In communistic society you get what you need based on your state. And you have no right to decide what a utopia is or isn't. Communism has been a utopia for hundreds of millions who were crushed in the depression or simply are int he wrong place at the wrong time. In the communist society no one has any vices and everyone lives without oppression. It is a utopia, as well as the City on a Hill and the BOOK utopia. Please understand what a utopia is before you try and state a fact.

U·to·pi·a /yuˈtoʊpiə/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[yoo-toh-pee-uh] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation

–noun

1. an imaginary island described in Sir Thomas More's Utopia (1516) as enjoying perfection in law, politics, etc.

2. (usually lowercase) an ideal place or state.

And ideal meaning idea. Meaning opinion of what the best situation should be. You can't have an ideal be right or wrong, its intangible.

lovely.

I am saying that a communist "utopia" would not be a utopia at all. The ideal of a society where "each according to his ability, each according to his need" removes any and all competition- it removes individuality. Yes, this may be appealing to the hundreds of millions who are currently destitute. But given the chance between a communists "utopia" and simply living in a modern Western country- I assure you many would choose the Western country.

You say that an ideal cannot be "right" or "wrong"- but it can. Was Hitler not trying to reach his own utopia? And what gives you the right to define utopia?

My utopia would be a world where everyone's rights were respected equally, and the government gave no bias towards any particular group. In other words, a free society. A society where a person could rise up and make a name for himself- instead of a society where the only aspirations a man can have is to survive.

[Camail 1]

That's your opinion, its an opinion, opinion.

Utopia is an opinion, opinion.

You can't denounce an opinion with an opinion.

You.

Fail.

I may not agree with hitler, or agree with communism, or democracy, or a republic. But none of them are wrong, you can see them as distasteful and would fight against them. But they can't be wrong, to deny an idea with an idea is ignorance.

[Nket 16]

lovely.

I am saying that a communist "utopia" would not be a utopia at all. The ideal of a society where "each according to his ability, each according to his need" removes any and all competition- it removes individuality. Yes, this may be appealing to the hundreds of millions who are currently destitute. But given the chance between a communists "utopia" and simply living in a modern Western country- I assure you many would choose the Western country.

You say that an ideal cannot be "right" or "wrong"- but it can. Was Hitler not trying to reach his own utopia? And what gives you the right to define utopia?

My utopia would be a world where everyone's rights were respected equally, and the government gave no bias towards any particular group. In other words, a free society. A society where a person could rise up and make a name for himself- instead of a society where the only aspirations a man can have is to survive.

i like how i added the utopia idea and i have not be responding to all this. Utopia would be a perfect society Coda. There would be no competition because everyone would do their job, like doing it, and be happy. Utopia is unreachable by what you talk about, Human nature is the only limitation to communism.

[KillerKeg 10]

True Communism would never work because as soon as you get your little utopia I would immediately conquer it and enslave everyone.

[Anonymous Coward 0]

If Mao didn't have communism, how the fuck did we kick all the white people out of China? It ain't their piece of the pie, GTFO!

Yes this is the best thing i have ever heard.

The reason why China is so successful because China is the only major country FREE OF JEW INFLUENCES.

U.S.A. has turned Z.O.G. (Zionist occupied Government). It is a cancer that only a military dictatorship will cure.

And OBAMA is anti-China.

http://www.chinalawblog.com/2007/12/obama_...it_aint_so.html

HEIL HITLER! SIEG HEIL!

[coda 1]

That's your opinion, its an opinion, opinion.

Utopia is an opinion, opinion.

You can't denounce an opinion with an opinion.

You.

Fail.

I may not agree with hitler, or agree with communism, or democracy, or a republic. But none of them are wrong, you can see them as distasteful and would fight against them. But they can't be wrong, to deny an idea with an idea is ignorance.

Alotta hostility there. Alotta bullshit there too. You can't deny an idea with an idea?

Idea #1: Gay people go to hell.

Idea #2: There is no hell.

Idea #1 denied.

This doesn't absolutely disprove Idea 1, but for anyone who believes Idea 2, it does. In my case, if you believe freedom and the right to individuality are basic human rights, then that shows communism is not utopia.

But I see your point. You're saying that utopia is whatever each person believes would be perfect.

Your version of utopia is communism- alright. But as you said earlier America should try communism- you're the one trying to force your own version of utopia on others.

The brilliance behind a free society is that each person can live the way they want. It doesn't force any overbearing rules onto anyone. If someone wants to live on a communal farm without interference, they can. On the other hand, if they want to strive for their ambitions in the market place, they can. A free society allows people to create what they each believe to be a perfect version of the world. Communism forces it's own special world on everyone. If you don't like it, well fuck you (sent off to the gulag)

Your problem, camail, is that you cannot argue with the fact that communism removes individuality, so you simply cover your ears and sing insults. You make arguments about the method of the debate, not the content of the debate.

[precurser 0]

America isn't a free society therefore your argument fails.

[coda 1]

America isn't a free society therefore your argument fails.

Pro-freedom != pro-America.

Therefore you fail.

I'm not saying that American "freedom" is good - in fact we're going into the fascist direction.

[KillerKeg 10]

Yes this is the best thing i have ever heard.

The reason why China is so successful because China is the only major country FREE OF JEW INFLUENCES.

U.S.A. has turned Z.O.G. (Zionist occupied Government). It is a cancer that only a military dictatorship will cure.

And OBAMA is anti-China.

http://www.chinalawblog.com/2007/12/obama_...it_aint_so.html

HEIL HITLER! SIEG HEIL!

So are you a Chinese Nazi or just a troll?

[Rydawg 14]

I like to eat chocolate

[silvio 0]

"Stupid people overestimate their abilities. I always knew this."

QFT for this thread and a few others.

[Camail 1]

The problem with your argument is that you thought I was actually saying that America should be communist. I'd prefer the Utopia that started it all, imo. And whats wrong with arguing methods if content only is supported by the method, arguing the method is the same as arguing to the content in this case. You are saying communism is wrong, I'm saying that nothing is wrong, its that simple.

[coda 1]

The problem with your argument is that you thought I was actually saying that America should be communist. I'd prefer the Utopia that started it all, imo. And whats wrong with arguing methods if content only is supported by the method, arguing the method is the same as arguing to the content in this case. You are saying communism is wrong, I'm saying that nothing is wrong, its that simple.

ok that's cool *hugs and kisses for all*

no homo

[Anonymous Coward 0]

So are you a Chinese Nazi or just a troll?

No I am Chinese, but I am not a Nazi. I am a National Socialist.

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External enemies we have Islamic extremists( not terrorists, and I shall explain later), Socialists and communists...Russia...., Iran,

Friends?...are you kidding? They just want to take a free ride with us.

Can we make nice with our enemies and adversaries to reduce chances of confrontations?....Yes and no...Yes if they are reasonable and has nothing to gain from destroying us..Like in the case of China and some small Muslim countries that count of us to defend them...even if they hate us guts.

Take a look at Europe. They are facing a profound change of cultures that they do not know how to handle. Instead of making the proper correction they force themselves to be dragged down with it...This change is profoundly dividing Europe into old Europe and new Europe...Illegals and Muslim populations are permanently changing their legal structures.

Instead of making a stand, they blame us and drag us down with them. They go so far as influencing our election to elect a candidate of their choice.

When Iranian has nuclear weapons and missiles having the range to hit England, the balance of power will shift. Million of Muslims inside EU will make all sort of demand from the Europeans. Not that they are not doing that now, but comparing to what they are asking now, the future demands will be detrimental the the sovereignty of EU countries. With potential of nuclear war and threats from Iran, EU will succumb to every demands.

Can our missile shields help Europe? NO!....Because...nukes can be delivered in many ways other than by missiles.

Can we stop Iran from having a bomb? No. You would be a fool to think that their centrifuges are for building bombs...They can get their nukes by other means. You would be too if you were Iranian. Pakistanis of course will be standng side by side with the Iranian...Ahmadinajad would be a damn fool to build a huge centrifuge plant so you can bomb it.

Russia, in the other side, has taken advantage of the perestroika to strengthen their KGB network. Before the elites can make any adjustment, the KGB has extended their influence to our backyard and we are now facing a much worse situation then in Reagan's time....or Kennedy!

Because of the demand of open trade and border...we have now over 10 million illegals running in our country. They are not documented and we have no idea where they are from or what their objectives are staying here. In this 10 million illegals, almost half are not Mexicans.

How about China? China has their own problems. However, since they are more of less a country of one dominant ethnic...they do not have the problems we have. They currently feel secure enough to engage in peaceful diplomacy with the countries around them. However, if situation in India and Pakistan deteriorates...and Russia go hawkish on them...anything can happen. Therefore, it is the worst diplomacy option for us if we are to damage the relationship between us and China. There is no way for us to fight the Islam expansion without China in the middle...not by our side...but in the middle..

Internally, we have these Jews controlling a lot of money and power ready to tear us apart politically and economically.

After 40 years of experiment of the New World Order, this is what we are having today....The evidences speak louder than rhetoric.

My warning is....This is time to call for Nationalism....Be American...If the top dogs insist to go the other way...we shall be doomed. Just take a look what those Jews can do and will do for their objectives to succeed. Do you know how close is the world to a major stock market meltdown?

If Americans fail, the world fail. Ideology can wait...Don't listen to the advises from the Jews...They are our enemies. Trusting them to assist to build a New World Order is like giving the Jews a free pass into the chicken coop. Their loyalty is not to America, but to Russia.

Evidence that Jews loyalty to Russia:

http://www.catholicvoice.co.uk/khazar.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosenbergs

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morris_Cohen_(Soviet_spy)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morton_Sobell

No wonder why Hitler invade Russia in the winter. He knows the Russians use the Jews trying to take over Deutschland.

[LunchBox 10]

Where the hell does this guy come from?