Admin Abuse

[Bung 0]

Hi,

I wanted to report some poor behavior from an Admin on the East Coast TF2 2fort server around 3pm MDT on May 22 by an admin named Kijho.

First he attempted to afk votekick a non-afk player (see the screenshots) named <3 castor_troy two or three times, and then tried to voteban him for Hacking (after castor killed him), and finally he tried to voteban castor's medic (Uncle Harris) for Exploiting.

I've been a donating admin on these servers for a few months now, and have played with all these guys extensively, except Kijho, and have never had a problem with these two players, and would vouch for them easily. In fact I'm sure anyone who frequents the lotus servers knows Harris and me. Kojho threatened to perm ban some IPs before I left and I just wanted to post this in case he does try and have my friends banned. If he has an issue with them, there is a more appropriate way to talk to them about it.

This may or may not mean anything, but he also kept claiming to own the servers, and yet he was only using votekick/voteban, which doesn't make sense either, so if you've a rogue donating admin, you might want to talk to him.

Screenshots from my console are attached.

Thanks for your time,

Bung aka "Uncle`Bung" - Donating admin on TF2 servers

[Kerberos 3,170]

Donor abuse*

Wrong forum*

[Bung 0]

I'm not exactly looking to have the guy banned as much as just trying to post something if needed to help the other guys...

[Nano 7,892]

He isn't an admin. he is a donor. He is pretending to be an admin by saying he can do IP bans, which he certainly cannot. We'll put this in the ban forum.

[DEATH STRIKE 573]

I would ban him just for trying to prtend he is admin.

can we get a steam ID so that we can ban.

[Nano 7,892]

STEAM_0:0:19691450

[UncleHarris 5]

Hi Guys,

Thanks for looking into this. This guy was a complete jerkoff. I don't know if he was off his meds or if his bf just broke up with him, but kijho was raging like a tweener whose mom sold their console system for cigarette money.

Kijho started out with acceptably annoying taunts like "gtfo bung" (I guess he had impressed himself by killing bung -- which, trust me, is not that impressive (wink; bung)), but then he changed classes to spy because castor was going on a tear as heavy (10, 20 kill streaks). So he tried to backstab castor a few times, but castor quickly dominated him. I think I may have said "gtfo kijho" in reference to his earlier taunt (and bc it was clear he was targetting castor at this point, and failing at it), and this set him off.

Immediately after the domination, kijho starts a votekick against castor for "afk". Castor at this point is leading the scores on our team; he's not afk. The vote failed; he started another right afterward. When a second vote failed, kijho switched to our team (red) to troll castor some more and to inform us that he was going to keep votekicking him every 1 min until everyone voted castor off "his server". Kijho referred to the server as "his server" several times, and changed the color of his name twice to show-off his supposed server powers.

After 3 or 4 ban attempts, excessive harassment, I tried to votekick kijho for being disruptive, but as soon as I initiated that, he interrupted it with his own votekick of me for some b.s. reason and claimed I had no chance of kicking him (something like, "yeah, right, that'll never happen, it's my server").

Anyway, as the screenshots show, the guy was a giant douchebag. Maybe a permaban is excessive since he donated money, but meh, in my view, servers don't sell the right to be an asshole.

[Kijho 1]

In my instances I believed you were AFK.

Bung, you had kicked several players from the server whom were NOT afk prior to that while I was spec / talking with Mana.

I went into spec and did watch you several times appear to be using some sort of explotation with your healing, or perhaps you have some sort of mouse, it's impossible to tell.

The images you've posted are photoshopped, I never claimed to be able to "ip ban" any user, nor be an "admin" on the server.

If you check my Rank on the WestCoast, you'll notice I'm on the server's constantly, I've been a donor probably far longer than you have, and talk to Mana regularly (especially with the recent updates to the name color changes and the hex coding.)

So much dishonesty and lies in this thread, lmao.

The three of you were out on a rampage kicking random users as "afk"

There was two other users who questioned your kicking as those players were not afk, and you kicked them too.

This is merely half the entire story of everything that happened, and any reference as being "my server" was without any implications of me being an actual owner, we all know Mana already, so quit the bullshit.

[Nano 7,892]

Looking at Kijho's chat logs I didn't find anything with him declaring to be and admin or any mention of an IP ban.

Anectdotal evidence points to the fact that the screenshots above are photoshopped. For the most part they correspond with the logs, but the line about "getting off my server", according to the logs anyway, never occured.

And oh yes, we do certainly keep chat logs.

http://stats.lotuscl...ange=2&server=6

That being said you are far from being a model citizen yourself Kijho. But being a general ass is certainly allowed on servers whereas admin impersonation is not. Without any proof of admin impersonation...

My concern would be donor abuse. You obviously initiated an afk kick on someone as soon as they killed you out of anger. That's immature but much less of an issue than impersonation.

Lying to get someone else banned... I hope Gotcha bans the lot of ya.

[Kijho 1]

Can you not see in the logs the two voteban's bung commenced prior to the whole incident then? He's also a donor and seemed to have been abusing his powers.

Never once did I claim to be an owner, admin, or have any power in creating IP bans on any user, anytime, on any server.

From viewing in spec. for a while I felt with what I saw, harris was using some sort of 3rd party application with healing.

From the time that I initiated the first kick, the three of them erupted a furry of user set (3/3) !votekick's / !votebans, to which I replied with disruptive behaviour vote's on one of the members.

None of the vote's were passing and it just kept evolving until I eventually left the childish mess and went back to Westcoast and joined Mana as I was experiencing issues with my black ^7000000 hex not working properly.

Perhaps not necessary without 100% absolute proof, (But really, there's zero way to be 100%)

On the greater side of my instinct I felt better safe than sorry, and wasn't enjoying the unfair advantage that being deployed, therefor took the first call in attempting to remove him for the hacks I suspected.

After that it just went downhill with foul language, attacks, and just general disruptive behaviour, which is again, all I had originally been opposed to.

[Willerms 1,794]

Hi Guys,

Thanks for looking into this. This guy was a complete jerkoff. I don't know if he was off his meds or if his bf just broke up with him, but kijho was raging like a tweener whose mom sold their console system for cigarette money.

Kijho started out with acceptably annoying taunts like "gtfo bung" (I guess he had impressed himself by killing bung -- which, trust me, is not that impressive (wink; bung)), but then he changed classes to spy because castor was going on a tear as heavy (10, 20 kill streaks). So he tried to backstab castor a few times, but castor quickly dominated him. I think I may have said "gtfo kijho" in reference to his earlier taunt (and bc it was clear he was targetting castor at this point, and failing at it), and this set him off.

Immediately after the domination, kijho starts a votekick against castor for "afk". Castor at this point is leading the scores on our team; he's not afk. The vote failed; he started another right afterward. When a second vote failed, kijho switched to our team (red) to troll castor some more and to inform us that he was going to keep votekicking him every 1 min until everyone voted castor off "his server". Kijho referred to the server as "his server" several times, and changed the color of his name twice to show-off his supposed server powers.

After 3 or 4 ban attempts, excessive harassment, I tried to votekick kijho for being disruptive, but as soon as I initiated that, he interrupted it with his own votekick of me for some b.s. reason and claimed I had no chance of kicking him (something like, "yeah, right, that'll never happen, it's my server").

Anyway, as the screenshots show, the guy was a giant douchebag. Maybe a permaban is excessive since he donated money, but meh, in my view, servers don't sell the right to be an asshole.

Grow up, kid.

[Kijho 1]

I'm just going to begin posting Videos of user's causing issue's.

The same thing happens every single time I log on, it's starting to become something that turns me away from Lotus in general, but sadly majority

of my friends / donor friends enjoy the later evening Westcoast plays.

Anyways, just a video of today, I questioned the user(s) multiple multiple multiple times, various other players were complaining about them

being annoying, hitting engineer's while they were building etc. and just being general idiot's for 90% of the time I was online, and while spectating the two of them.

Then of course, JUST LIKE WITH THIS SCENARIO - when I initiate the first votekick, a storm of rants, language, cussing, spamming and general disruption of the game ensues...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBojO4bQm24

[- Mike - 2,728]

The plot thickens.

[Willerms 1,794]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBojO4bQm24

Doesn't seem like that big of a deal. You're being no more productive than the people seen in this video.

[Bung 0]

I'm surprised how quickly this became a "my word vs your word." I would ask the admin to double-check the logs because the logs I posted were not doctored, and the lines are all in there, easy enough to check the logs again, I have full confidence in them so check again if you need. My afk kicks were actual real afk kicks, go figure, easy enough to check: look at who i kicked and check to see if they have _any_ activity for the 5 minutes prior.

@Khijo, did you go spectator at all during this votekick rampage? You just watched me for a few seconds when you were dead? Do you have any demos or screens? In most communities you should make a demo when you see someone you think is hacking. You need evidence to call someone a cheater, so please have it before labelling me that.

In terms of credibility, I'm glad you talk to other admins here and are well known. I would hope you feel the need to hold yourself to a high standard in that case. I personally run my own online gaming community for an Axis&Allies clone, and was an admin for the counter-strike AFN Admin federation for years online as well. I'm only new to TF2 for the last few months.

As I said earlier, my goal was not to have this individual banned, but merely notify the people in charge about an incident. Whether or not Khijo or Harris or Castor were being "immature" (the logs speak for themselves) there's no cause to start vote_kicking for exploiting and cheating without proof. Furthermore, when you read those logs, you wont find me "shit talking" at all either.

Hope that helps,

Bung.

[UncleHarris 5]

Looking at Kijho's chat logs I didn't find anything with him declaring to be and admin or any mention of an IP ban.

Anectdotal evidence points to the fact that the screenshots above are photoshopped. For the most part they correspond with the logs, but the line about "getting off my server", according to the logs anyway, never occured.

And oh yes, we do certainly keep chat logs.

http://stats.lotuscl...ange=2&server=6

That being said you are far from being a model citizen yourself Kijho. But being a general ass is certainly allowed on servers whereas admin impersonation is not. Without any proof of admin impersonation...

My concern would be donor abuse. You obviously initiated an afk kick on someone as soon as they killed you out of anger. That's immature but much less of an issue than impersonation.

Lying to get someone else banned... I hope Gotcha bans the lot of ya.

I've known Bung for years as the lead admin on another gaming site, and he's nothing but honest and reputable. He would never photoshop something like this -- in his second post, he even noted that he wasn't trying to get anyone banned, but trying to bring this to the other admin's attention, because Bung thought Kijho was an admin.

I checked your chat logs, and they've clearly been edited to delete the time this all took place. I don't know who has access to your chat logs, but if you look at the East Coast server for 5/22 at 3:59pm, you'll see that Kijho changed teams. It's after that that kijho started votekicks against castor and kept saying "leave my server" and several things like it. However, the chat logs are missing large chunks of time around this point -- while some chat is posted nearly every minute of the day, there's nothing in the logs from 4:00 to 4:08, and again from 4:08 to 4:33 pm. These 25 minutes were not silent. Someone changed the logs to cover up kijho's misconduct.

Edit: I forgot about the assinine "Harris appeared to be using some third party healing app" claim, but hopefully this is as patently ridiculous as it sounds. What would a healing app do? Lol.

[Gotcha 6,307]

I'll have a look when I'm back home.

[I Karnt Speel 1,242]

I sometimes abuse admins, it's my fetish. I join the server DEATH STRIKE admins and hit on him openly.

[Mars 288]

I sometimes abuse admins, it's my fetish. I join the server DEATH STRIKE admins and hit on him openly.

Wanna come over to my house and play?

[Kijho 1]

Seriously.. this is a bunch of nonsense.

Bung: Member Since: May 22, 2012

Harris: Member Since: May 23, 2012

Kijho: Member Since 10 Apr 2009

Waste of time, I won't be posting here attempting to prove anything any longer, if I log on tomorrow and find I'm off the server, then I would have zero desire to participate, nor continue to donate my money for the further development of the general community as a whole in hopes of a more enjoyable experience, as this will become far from enjoyable, absolute nonsense.

I hope the right decesions are made in respect to the Lotus servers and community as an entire.

[Kerberos 3,170]

Calm your self. Gotcha said he would take a look when he got home.

[My_Time 0]

Just my two cents here but I have to say something I have seen playing DODs in Lotus servers. I have been donating off and on for a few years in the Dods servers. When I have donator rights there have been lots of times my chat does not save in chat logs. When the server was well populated(I miss that ) I would always look at the game chat logs after I would leave for the night just to see who was saying what. Something I seen was that a lot of times it would not save what I typed. Or only save some of what I type. Now I know this is not about Dods servers and all but it is what it is. I don't know if the other servers do this but I know for a fact I used to see it alot in the Dods server. Not sure why. So dont blow off the chat screen shots as fake as this would explain it not being in the logs but in the screen shots.. I know none of the people in this discussion and I have nothing to gain by posting. I am just saying what I have seen in the past as to chat logs. It would never happen while i did not have donator rights, just when I did. If I have stepped out of line here then I will shut up and fade back into the wood work.

[Willerms 1,794]

Edit: I forgot about the assinine "Harris appeared to be using some third party healing app" claim, but hopefully this is as patently ridiculous as it sounds. What would a healing app do? Lol.

Does he mean like a macro, because there's no rules against that.

[UncleHarris 5]

I don't use any macros, I just heal everyone I can as fast as possible. I don't think Kijho even spectated, half of what he said was a complete lie. The first votekick was against Coad, a friend of Castor's. Castor asked who votekicked his friend (who was not afk). I don't know who votekicked him. Kijho was apparently angry bc Castor started owning the other base. Kijho went spy to get revenge, but Castor killed him 3 more times in a row. Kijho switched teams to harass castor with voice (and to avoid dying, I guess). Right after he switched teams, maybe 2 min later, Kijho tried to kick Castor. The vote failed. Castor said something about the votekick being abusive. Kijho started saying "then leave my server". Kijho started another votekick. It failed. Castor and Kijho kept arguing, with Kijho insisting that Castor "leave my server in 1 min" (when kijho would start the next votekick). After 2-3 votekick attempts on Castor, I voted to kick Kijho (he was abusing the server and harassing Castor for no reason but his superior play). Before I could get the 5 initiations needed for a votekick, Kijho said someting like "yeah right, like that's gonna happen," and interrupted the vote with a votekick against me.

That's the truth. That's the only reason I ever posed here. Don't do anything about it if you don't want; I don't care. I hope Kijho keeps giving you money. The only reason Bung posted anything is because he thought Kijho was abusing his admin powers, and that other admins should know about it. If he's not an admin, and just an asshole, whatever, the internet is full of them. Just look at this thread and all the retarded picture posts. I only responded to clear Bung and myself of any accusations of wrongdoing. We don't cheat, we don't photoshop logs, and we never lied. I won't be posting here again. GL and HF.

[Willerms 1,794]

I don't use any macros, I just heal everyone I can as fast as possible. I don't think Kijho even spectated, half of what he said was a complete lie. The first votekick was against Coad, a friend of Castor's. Castor asked who votekicked his friend (who was not afk). I don't know who votekicked him. Kijho was apparently angry bc Castor started owning the other base. Kijho went spy to get revenge, but Castor killed him 3 more times in a row. Kijho switched teams to harass castor with voice (and to avoid dying, I guess). Right after he switched teams, maybe 2 min later, Kijho tried to kick Castor. The vote failed. Castor said something about the votekick being abusive. Kijho started saying "then leave my server". Kijho started another votekick. It failed. Castor and Kijho kept arguing, with Kijho insisting that Castor "leave my server in 1 min" (when kijho would start the next votekick). After 2-3 votekick attempts on Castor, I voted to kick Kijho (he was abusing the server and harassing Castor for no reason but his superior play). Before I could get the 5 initiations needed for a votekick, Kijho said someting like "yeah right, like that's gonna happen," and interrupted the vote with a votekick against me.

That's the truth. That's the only reason I ever posed here. Don't do anything about it if you don't want; I don't care. I hope Kijho keeps giving you money. The only reason Bung posted anything is because he thought Kijho was abusing his admin powers, and that other admins should know about it. If he's not an admin, and just an asshole, whatever, the internet is full of them. Just look at this thread and all the retarded picture posts. I only responded to clear Bung and myself of any accusations of wrongdoing. We don't cheat, we don't photoshop logs, and we never lied. I won't be posting here again. GL and HF.

I appreciate the thorough response. This will help the admins come to a decision. It seems that there are a lot of people raging.