Server Regulars

[Robert Kuusk 1]

Hello.

I've been playing on Lotus Servers for about 2 weeks now, and I had the impression from my first week that it was for low-mid skilled people to do matches in a balanced environment. Sadly this came to an abrupt stop today.

I first joined the server into a random team. I saw that our team was holding the BLU team back in their spawn. I immediately called a scramble vote. These didn't go trough. Twice. Finally, when autoscramble kicked in, I finally taught that I could enjoy a nice round of TF2. Oh boy how wrong I was.

One by one, the server regulars started moving over to the enemy team. BLU was again being held back in spawn. All my efforts to push trough the spawn were crushed. All my efforts trying to votescramble were denied. When I tried to suggest that stacking teams was wrong, I was mocked.

Did I get lucky the first two weeks? Everyone who's a more serious TF2 player says that the Lotus servers are "a fucking asshole of the TF2 community." I was defending you guys 2 days ago. Now - I kind-of see where these comments are coming from.

So, do you guys have some sort of anti-asshat policy, or am I just forced to swap servers every time someone decides it's cool to stomp players who are better than them.

Thanks,

A rustled player.

[HeadSh0tBrent 2,156]

We try to encourage freedom of speech.

[Nano 7,892]

Team stacking occurs on every server, Lotus or not. Head over to Skial or a Valve server, it's the exact same thing.

Douchebaggery and game disruption are against the rules, but are usually moderated by those in game. Grievous offenses can be posted in the ban forum and will be addressed promptly.

I'm just curious, but did you have any suggestions on how to fix the issue of team stacking or were you just commenting that it sucks (which is does).

[Robert Kuusk 1]

Lock out team swapping completely for people who have been autoscrambled (this doesn't include the votescramble)

Yes, they can reconnect, but at least it would take some effort to stacking the teams.

Well, the biggest problem is that I have 400 hours of gametime in TF2 and I've never seen anyone be such a jerk about stacking the teams.

Edit: Also, how should I react to an asshattish player when the regulars side with him? Votekick/voteban won't help there.

[HeadSh0tBrent 2,156]

Edit: Also, how should I react to an asshattish player when the regulars side with him? Votekick/voteban won't help there.

Not all regulars are kind, most are really rude, I could suggest switching servers.

[DutchKev 425]

imo having several "members" on the same team does not stack a team - ive seen many a random side steamroll what i consider a very good and experienced side.

typical example on dustbowl - map 2 - the entrance to blu is spammed by at LEAST 4 demos, and kritz medics this can go on for as long as 6-7 mins before blu make an appearance - but this can easily be counterd if the blu team have the right amount of medics and counter class.

if blu have 3 scouts and 4 spies trying to scout and spycap, then your gonna be there a LONG time.

i hate people who scream for scramble because their side that sonsists of 3 snipers, 4 spies 2 scout 2 demo an engi and 3 soldiers and NO medics. they wonder why theyre getting steamrolled by a team that has 2 medics. ask yourself - whos fault is that? is that because the team are stacked or is it because the other team know what class is most effective for each senario?

now dont get me wrong, somehwere like 2fort have completely different rules and playing styles than dustbowl or goldrush - but to me the same rules apply

dont change teams - change tactics

[Possum 10,776]

Wise words from Kev. Team builds are very important. A team with no medics is bound to lose, as is one with tons of useless snipers or spies.

Team stacking occurs on pretty much all pub servers, or at least most of the ones I've been on, and not just in TF2, I have bed memories of team stacking in Black Ops (though looking back, I have bad memories of Black Ops anyway). Not that I'm advocating it, but you can understand why people do it, winning is usually fun. Personally I usually prefer to stick with the losing team, go medic, assume the role of team captain, order the team about down my mic, and lick the team into shape. Its a much more rewarding way of playing.

" low-mid skilled people to do matches in a balanced environment." May I politely ask which servers you played on? Certainly we welcome new players, but there are plenty of good players on Lotus servers, as well as newer ones (and not just those affiliated with the clan).

Thank-you for your input though

[DEATH STRIKE 573]

It's only a game...have fun

[Willerms 1,794]

Thanks,

A rustled player.

I fucking love this closer. 10000 suns to you my friend

[- Mike - 2,728]

Did your team bother to get a medic and an uber ready?

[Barbaro 466]

Hello.

I've been playing on Lotus Servers for about 2 weeks now, and I had the impression from my first week that it was for low-mid skilled people to do matches in a balanced environment. Sadly this came to an abrupt stop today.

I first joined the server into a random team. I saw that our team was holding the BLU team back in their spawn. I immediately called a scramble vote. These didn't go trough. Twice. Finally, when autoscramble kicked in, I finally taught that I could enjoy a nice round of TF2. Oh boy how wrong I was.

One by one, the server regulars started moving over to the enemy team. BLU was again being held back in spawn. All my efforts to push trough the spawn were crushed. All my efforts trying to votescramble were denied. When I tried to suggest that stacking teams was wrong, I was mocked.

Did I get lucky the first two weeks? Everyone who's a more serious TF2 player says that the Lotus servers are "a fucking asshole of the TF2 community." I was defending you guys 2 days ago. Now - I kind-of see where these comments are coming from.

So, do you guys have some sort of anti-asshat policy, or am I just forced to swap servers every time someone decides it's cool to stomp players who are better than them.

Thanks,

A rustled player.

Unfortunately, you'll find this sort of behavior across ALL TF2 servers, the ones that tend to enforce this with zero-tolerance, tend NOT to last too long. Face it, community majority is full of people who'll take their online benefits and cash them in for the most shits and giggles they can. A certain group I was in tried to enforce the no ass-hat policy, well, server doesn't look too healthy at this point. (Which is why I'm stuck in Lotus LOL)

The Vote Scramble is more of a nuisance than a real help actually, instead of trying to scramble things up, focus on survival. You'll be surprised at how many people you'll take with you when you truly fight back, even against all odds.

Mocked? Welcome to Team Fortress 2! We're all psychotic DOUCHE-BAGS HERE!

Actually, the "Serious Players" don't know shit what they're talking about if they're saying things like that, either they're having a hard time "Having Fun" or have their heads so far up their asses that you're tasting what you had for breakfast that day before it's fully digested! I'm quite serious, I RAGE a lot, but if they're going to crawl over and CRY about it, they've lost sight on the true objective of the servers, which is to HAVE FUN. (Your experience may vary)

My suggestion, and I'm not affiliated with Lotus btw, is to Donate to your favorite server, and simply use the Team Change when things start getting that heated up, if people are going to start trashing you for trying to have a fair game, the least you can do is deny them killing you with invulnerability. (Plus, if the teams start getting stacked like that, the Auto-balance kicks in faster than waiting for someone to join)

Lock out team swapping completely for people who have been autoscrambled (this doesn't include the votescramble)

Yes, they can reconnect, but at least it would take some effort to stacking the teams.

Well, the biggest problem is that I have 400 hours of gametime in TF2 and I've never seen anyone be such a jerk about stacking the teams.

Edit: Also, how should I react to an asshattish player when the regulars side with him? Votekick/voteban won't help there.

Unsure why that's been happening, I find it more annoying is players who go into Spec once their team starts failing.

If he's really being THAT abusive, maybe make a Ban Request? http://forums.gaming...3-ban-requests/

I've had people swear and annoy up to the holy bull shit and never once felt like I should stop playing, honestly, I'm here to play and cook maggots. If someone's got a problem with that, (According to a user on the forums here) you're SOL because you're the one suffering. (And again, it's Summer, the kiddies are out to play and troll, like these for example. http://ca.news.yahoo...r-29755955.html Here, online, you can get away with anything apparently, if you're smart. )

[Asjo 90]

Personally, I always prefer to be on the losing team. It's more exciting and gives you something to fight for. And I always think things are more interesting when both teams are actively trying to make a difference, with play not being too predictable. I play on 2Fort normally, and often I will join a team if it's losing too badly, even if the team I'm on has some players that I was really enjoying playing with.

I think it's important that you don't just let yourself get frustrated and give up if the odds are tough. Adjust and fight back. Of course, that's easy for me, being an experienced player (I played TF2 reguarly for four months now), but trust me, there's always something you can do in TF2. Yes, sticky camping with well-placed sentries and better defenders in Dustbowl can be almost impossible to break for a bad team at the starting choke points, but even then you still have the über and spies to make a difference. From experience, I know that the worse team can always fight back on 2Fort, since getting to the intel is such a long process and a lot can happen underway. Whenever a team is losing badly and I join them, I always feel that, even as one player, I can make enough difference to get them on a decent footing to fight back. It's all about getting those critical kills (like killing sentries or medics) and keeping your opponents from getting in certain positions.

Also, I hope you will keep in mind that it's more likely that these players are not trying to stack the team, but simply, as you mention, are regulars and know each other. If they have good chemistry on a team and many of them used microphones to communicate, it's not so strange that they would prefer to play together. Of course, balance is always a consideration, but even I have found myself in situations where I couldn't make myself join the losing team becasue I was in the middle of something good with someone. In such cases, if I get autobalanced, as it frequently happens, I will rejoin "my" team after 5-10 minutes.

[Possum 10,776]

[Asjo 90]

Ehm, even thought that post was 1,5 months ago, it's still very relevant. I hope as many people as possible read this so that they have a better understanding of what's going on and don't get frustrated based on assumptions about the other players

[Richmix 0]

I'm a server regular and a donor. I call for a scramble whenever I feel one is needed, regardless of whether I'm on the winning team or not. I also try to balance my scramble decisions by imagining whether I think it would be fun to be on the opposing team. Obviously, it's not good for the server for people to ragequit (as often happens when the teams get stacked--all the sudden population's down to 12 from 32), and Lotus is not a competitive server. Getting roflostomped isn't fun, and I don't find steamrolling others too terribly entertaining, either.

[Wampa Stompa 40]

fucking regulars, i hate them