Lotus Strategies And tactics

[K-DaSh 0]

I just dont give a damn about getting beated by lotus, since they are bugged and overpowered as hell, its just unfair, so i dont care about it

[Sinophile 41]

Hey Aramids back.

Theres no strategy that cannot be defeated by another. Quit your complaining. -.-

[K-DaSh 0]

Hey Aramids back.

Theres no strategy that cannot be defeated by another. Quit your complaining. -.-

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Ok, then tell me if ur dragon how u beat a lotus player who has about 5 DC, 6 DS, 8 SC 5 channelers, 4 diseased with DW and the rest master warlocks with soul tresher BG; how u beat him uh?

[[LOT]rundown 3]

I want to know too. Futsalfred why don't you tell us since you say all strategies can be beaten. Also, if he adds Issyl then the chances go from zero to negative.

[Izaak 3]

I learned something while playing as the Lotus: is that whenever you win, the loser always makes up some kind of excuse that you cheated.

-Izaak, Lord of the Lotus Clan.

[IndominusRex 13]

I guess Futsalfred just want to let you guys know that Lotus can be beaten. It doesn't mean that lotus can be beaten by dragon.

[[LOT]rundown 3]

I learned something while playing as the Lotus: is that whenever you win, the loser always makes up some kind of excuse that you cheated.

-Izaak, Lord of the Lotus Clan.

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Yea, I have seen this too. They say something like they weren't paying attention or something. How could you not be paying attention? The point of the game is to fight and kill people. You never know when your enemy might surprise attack you.

[{HeRo}GeneralDS 4]

hmm i do believe that lotus is overpowered, but they all have one major weakness, excluding master warlocks...ever heard of piercing attacks? piercing attacks deal a good amount of damage, and if u can rush a lotus with dragon archers quickly enough, then you dont have to worry about them SCing or Soul Threshing you or even DS or DW if you kill them quickly...so maybe try rushing with archers before they can build their crypt so you wont have to worry about DC or if they do build fast, then mass spearmen...they also attack with piercing as well so dragon has 2 first tier units with piercing.. try it out, it just might work..

i cant believe no one has thought of this...i have fought lotus using everything, and piercing and sometimes slashing do the heaviest damage to lotus...i recommend trying to hit lotus with a rush of piercing units...wolf clan has little chance of taking out lotus with their first tier units (Brawler, Mauler, and Hurler are all crushing attack type units, which lotus take very little damage to, Druidess hits with magic which lotus are extremely resistant to but the entangle is very helpful against DC by stopping it mid spin hehe) unless they can build and train like the wind and can rush like a river of quicksilver...

i have always lost with lotus except the rare instance where i won with massed leaves or staffs..but usually they hit me with piercing units before i can get going really fast...(Serpent best unit against lotus= Swordsman or Crossbowman depending on which first tier unit u think is better...Dragon best unit against lotus= Archer or Spearman, depending on whether they get DC or not...Wolf Best unit against lotus= none just hope for the best...lotus best unit against self= leaves or blades depending on whether they get DC before u ready to rush..)

best units used were based on first tier units..if u can buy time to make 2nd tier units, then use the best piercing unit each clan has...(Dragon= Kabuki with Stardust/Flash powder, Serpent= Bandit attacking with his crossbow, Wolf= Ballistaman, Lotus= none they have no units with piercing at second tier)

third tier...(Dragon= Samurai attacking with his bow, Serpent= Ronin if escorted by fan geisha to heal against magic damage, Wolf= Beserker with shale due to their claws that do piercing damage to my knowledge, Lotus= only unit that has piercing damage is leaf disciple with this clan.... so no third tier unit is good unless u want to abuse SC and slay the enemy instantly...)

Heroes...(Dragon= Garrin on horse or Arah, Serpent= any except Budo...shinja utara and vetkin hit with slashing piercing and piercing respectively, Wolf=Grayback only other character with piercing damage in wolf clan, Lotus= Issyl due to the spikes on his hourglass that cause piercing damage...)

sorry about the absurdly long post, had to list the non WOTW characters that could easily handle lotus by hitting their weakness, just try to hit them before they can get DC with ur piercing first tier units..werewolf and master warlocks were not included because i feel they dont rank on the tier chart unless u like to consider both of them as fourth tier, in which they are the only ones in it, and all of the healers were excluded because of their extremely low health and the only healer that hits with piercing is channeler after she fires her birds at the enemy..and none of the WOTW units were included for my own reason..(mainly that some if not most people dont have WOTW and i feel that i would make them feel like they are missing out if i listed them..)

[Sinophile 41]

Wow, you know your stuff Knight!

[{HeRo}GeneralDS 4]

hehe thanks, and if i wanted to include WOTW units, it would be like this...

WOTW best units against lotus..

Dragon= Battle Maiden guarded by geisha

Serpent= Demoness and Enforcer i think both hit with crushing so neither one would be good unless u mass demonesses (send witches to metal shop to get demon amulets that allow them to become demonesses as long as they have stamina, after the stamina runs out the battlegear disappears)

Wolf= Diggers en masse being that they use piercing claws but have low (and i mean LOW) health...

Lotus= Reaper due to his scythe, i dont remember if it causes piercing or slashing, but keep an eye on their health, they dont last long on their own...

WOTW best Keep Hero against lotus...

the only hero that hits with piercing in the WOTW hero list is Taro so if ur serpent and have a keep and WOTW then bring him into the fray after using his battlegear to make the enemies weaker to his katanas(they are magic and piercing combined into one)(Teppo hits with explosion from a distance which will help with unshaled wolf heroes, Wildeye hits with crushing so he isnt useful against lotus unless u like spirit wolves, and yvaine hits with magic from a distance and up close so she would be better for a battle of attrition against herself, unless u can use Prison of Ice to trap and hurt ur enemies so they cant counter...i think yvaine's innate might be the ability to use bonuses that enemies use with battlegears that help them so it will help her as well, need to verify it...)

(Stat bonus battlegears are ones like battle cry and wolf howl, i think these will give yvaine stat bonuses based on what i know from grayback's journey, altho that was in the final fight that she did it, so maybe she might not have one...)

P.S. plz correct me if taro uses slashing instead of piercing, i never used him to fight yet so i cant verify it to make sure...and sorry again about the very long post...

[Morok 0]

I hate rushing! This game have been completely made like that, to stop rushes! So the players started rushing by an another way -.-...

I don't know how is it possible, that serpent enemies know everything of the type of units that I will use... and then they send counterunits...

Zymeth on the tower rules! I take zymeth and 3 healers up the towers. Sometimes nearby to entrance I place Senkh on the tower, I know how to do it ^^. And then he fast gains stamina, I still run with him to warlocks, then again go fighting . So I have twenty warlocks with Soul Chill. And I make two Unclean - one with Death Sentry, second with Goo. Then when the enemy attacks, I see him from the towers, throw DS, when he is close enough to attack with missile weaps, I throw Goo, if he is still alive to come closer, I use Chills.

[Moo Moo Cow 1]

Iam useless playing lotus i tried about army with 30 warlocks and it was beaten with ease.

iam much better playing with serpent or wolf

[Speedy 11]

I think it is wrong to say that a clan is weak to any one type of damage, as each unit has it's own strengths and weaknesses.

(Brawler, Mauler, and Hurler are all crushing attack type units)

Wrong, Brawlers do cutting type damage.

Serpent= Bandit attacking with his crossbow

Bandits do piercing damage in melee aswell.

Lotus= none they have no units with piercing at second tier)

Wrong, Infested Ones inflict area effect piercing damage.

Wolf= Beserker with shale due to their claws that do piercing damage

Wrong, Berzerkers do cutting type damage.

the only hero that hits with piercing in the WOTW hero list is Taro

Wrong, Taro does Magic damage.

Teppo hits with explosion from a distance which will help with unshaled wolf heroes

You can't shale Heroes.

[Moo Moo Cow 1]

I think it is wrong to say that a clan is weak to any one type of damage, as each unit has it's own strengths and weaknesses.

Wrong, Brawlers do cutting type damage.

Bandits do piercing damage in melee aswell.

Wrong, Infested Ones inflict area effect piercing damage.

Wrong, Berzerkers do cutting type damage.

Wrong, Taro does Magic damage.

You can't shale Heroes.

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oh many facts about br!

[{HeRo}GeneralDS 4]

i meant units not heroes, and i didnt know that stone slabs can cut things...oh and the reason i thought beserkers did piercing damage was because their claw thingies were bents at an angle and it looked like they pierced (i mean if u had those weapons on ur hands, what do u think they would do if u swung them like a beserker did?)

baxter, at least u could have been a tad bit nicer about it, my feelings are a little hurt at the tone u used when u typed...

moo moo cow, 30 warlocks dont stand a chance against most assaults, so if u want them to be of more use then get them SC so u can slay them...

I think it is wrong to say that a clan is weak to any one type of damage, as each unit has it's own strengths and weaknesses.

oh and if a clan wasnt weak to any one type of damage, then u havent looked at wolf, all of their units are weak to magic and explosive damage, the only clans i think are not weak to just one or two types of attacks are dragon and serpent. in fact i could probably own most lotus units using piercing damage...and the lotus have a common weakness to piercing, rushing them with archers spell doom if they dont have a crypt and DC.

[Speedy 11]

You state these things as facts, when you often don't know what you're talking about.

No clan has all it's units weak to one particular type of damage.

I am using my experience and knowledge of unit damage types, where you are just guessing from the appearance of the weapons.

[Aramid 2]

The greatest enemy of the lotus is the wolf clan because of their 3rd tier unit almost immune to any types of attack except blunt which lotus does not excell in.

(WOTW) My percentage distribution of power:

Dragon - 21%

Serpent- 20%%

Lotus- 24%

Wolf- 27%

It seems that lotus need some back-up hehehe

[{HeRo}GeneralDS 4]

bax i never said anything about wolf being weak to blunt, only magic and explosion...

[Speedy 11]

Ok sorry..

[{Dark}CoolGuy 1]

They made lotus too strong they can win against any clan if you mass any of there bg.

[IndominusRex 13]

Did anyone introduce the Haste SC to this topic yet? If not yet. Here is it

Haste your warlocks and SC them very fast lol, Vetkin wont stop, unless they have Utara.

[Aramid 2]

I believe even Utara cannot stop those warlocks. Utara can be killed instantly if those warlocks are aiming at her from the start. She has minimal resistance to explosives but I realized that the stun effects last longer to lotus clan compared to any other clans.

[{HeRo}GeneralDS 4]

hmm haste SC is virtually unstoppable, especially if its WOTW and the flesh crucible has the Issyl's Boon upgrade (speeds up Warlocks and Master Warlocks).

i only had it used against me once or twice, and that was very long ago, my forces were decimated...

Soul Chill i believe to be magic not explosive, maybe their ranged attack is explosive but soul chill isnt, samurai and ronin never last even against 2-4 Soul Chills...

also can someone verify for me that Powder Keg Cannoneers are weak to musketeer regular attacks and also verify that the musketeer regular attack (ranged attack without blast shot or sniper scope) does explosive...pm me with verification

[Speedy 11]

Musketeers do explosive, and yes, Keg Canno's are weak to Muskets. Soul Chill is neither Magic nor Explosive, it is in fact piercing.

[Morok 0]

Great job, Baxter!

Don't try to imagine, what are weaknesses and attack of units, look here!

And Snipers can do piercing damage. I love units with two, changable types of damage (Archers with Fire Arrows against werewolves... ^^).