Steak Wrapped Bacon

[arshaven 2]

I noticed I was banned after a map change a short while ago. Was wondering why? And would like to be unbanned. Your 2fort server is the only 2fort server, I really play on. Pretty much only server.

steam id: STEAM_0:0:35620235

[Simon982 2]

This is Simon. I am a regular to the server (Lotus 24/7 2fort east coast) that Steak Wrapped Bacon plays on. I vouch for him because he is consistently a team player and a supporter of Lotus clan. During the past year that I've played with him, he has played the game the way it should be. He has not hacked or "griefed" (in the most traditional sense of the word) on any Lotus Clan server. Some players who disagree with my statement may have personal differences with Steak Wrapped Bacon, and that should be taken into consideration. For every player who has a problem with him, he has many more players from Lotus who would support and vouch for him.

I do not know the reason for his ban but I come to his defense because he is an outstanding individual who should be allowed back onto the Lotus Clan servers. I thank you for your time and consideration.

[Taigos 183]

While I am no admin this doesn't appear to be the first time your name has cropped up here.

http://forums.gamingterritory.com/topic/13720-ban-request/

Granted that was a year ago but from my experience once a hacker always a hacker. One of your alt accounts seems to have been Vacced also which doesn't bode well from my perspective.

Again not an admin or anything just putting forth my 2 cents and bringing the prior incident to light.

[Mars 288]

Hmm....yes this is true. Need more staff/members to form an opinion though.

[totally not bees 0]

once a hacker always a hacker.

I take it you never play on the server in question then? In the almost 2 years I've played with Steak I've never once seen anything hacker-ish from him.

Also he is a lovely person and makes me smile and shits kittens and puppies.

[Taigos 183]

I take it you never play on the server in question then? In the almost 2 years I've played with Steak I've never once seen anything hacker-ish from him.

Also he is a lovely person and makes me smile and shits kittens and puppies.

I was merely stating my opinion, as I said I am not an admin, i merely was bringing to light the fact that this isnt his first time on the ban req forums.

[Simon982 2]

http://forums.gaming...20-ban-request/

Granted that was a year ago but from my experience once a hacker always a hacker.

And as stated by Krash from the thread you linked:

• You have no proof that he hacked (is there a demo of him?)
  
• Has he been caught hacking on Lotus? a VAC ban on a Steam account could apply to other games other than Team Fortress 2
  
• Don't make assumptions like "once a hacker always a hacker"
  

The takeaway point I'm trying to make is when you assume, you make an ass out of you and me.

[Taigos 183]

And as stated by Krash from the thread you linked:

• You have no proof that he hacked (is there a demo of him?)
  
• Has he been caught hacking on Lotus? a VAC ban on a Steam account could apply to other games other than Team Fortress 2
  
• Don't make assumptions like "once a hacker always a hacker"
  

The takeaway point I'm trying to make is when you assume, you make an ass out of you and me.

1. I never stated that he was caught hacking, i was merely pointing out that hes been on here before.

2. Yes a vac been can come from other engines, I've been playing steams for a long time i kinda know this stuff.

Which revolves into 3. I have rarely ever met a person who has been vacced from one engine that was not eventually vacced form others as well, And why after being vacced id he have to create a new account?

And finally, again as I have now said more then once in this thread, I am not an admin i am merely bringing a prior incident into light and stating my opinion. If that in some way makes me an ass, well quite frankly your not the kinda of person i really care about what you think about me.

But I'll digress and simply sit out now no point in arguing with people here over something so trivial.

[DEATH STRIKE 573]

I will say my past with Steak is good and bad. But he has been MUCH better with me and others. If he was "trolling" we as admins should issue a verbal or typed warning to ANYONE. There are times when that can't be done but we should make an attempt. A perm ban for this offence is like a death sentance for stealing candy from a store. Just too much. This would be the 2nd such ban I do not agree with in the past week. And I could not even respond because the thread was locked fast!!

I would say unban with time served. Along with Kimbo . UNBAN KIMBO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and Steak!!! LOL!!

[Simon982 2]

1. I never stated that he was caught hacking, i was merely pointing out that hes been on here before.

2. Yes a vac been can come from other engines, I've been playing steams for a long time i kinda know this stuff.

Which revolves into 3. I have rarely ever met a person who has been vacced from one engine that was not eventually vacced form others as well, And why after being vacced id he have to create a new account?

And finally, again as I have now said more then once in this thread, I am not an admin i am merely bringing a prior incident into light and stating my opinion. If that in some way makes me an ass, well quite frankly your not the kinda of person i really care about what you think about me.

But I'll digress and simply sit out now no point in arguing with people here over something so trivial.

You're justifying your assumption "once a hacker always a hacker." I really hope you never become a Lotus admin or vote in the US presidential election, because you are truly incapable of such responsibility.

So you've "rarely met a person who hasn't been eventually VAC banned from other engines." Do you play with a lot of hackers in order to make that assumption? Do you keep tabs on players who have been VAC banned? Do you have any proof of such VAC banned players that you know of?

Are you just trying to troll us?

[Nano 7,892]

I'm sure a staff member will be along to review. All replies in the unban forum should be directly related to the unban in question.

Also, the ban wasn't for hacking, it was for trolling.

[totally not bees 0]

Along with Kimbo . UNBAN KIMBO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

something so trivial.

... then why post in the first place...

[Vaginal Hubris 2,659]

May I ask a question? What is our ban policy? I don't really know who this person is and I don't really have an opinion whether he/she gets banned either way. Consider me a neutral party. This case is interesting though because it does test and question policy (which I am interested in).

We should be enforcing the ban policy uniformly. This means if our ban policy is to permaban people who have been VAC banned and their alternate accounts (regardless of the amount of time served), then this person should remained banned. VAC bans can only take place on certain games: Counter-Strike, Half-Life 2, Day of Defeat, and Team Fortress 2 (not the whole Steam catalog). Again, I don't have a soft spot for this person nor do I want to see someone unreasonably banned from playing on Lotus servers.

Special Note: People who play CoD: Modern Warfare 2 can also be VAC banned, but it doesn't affect a person's ability to play other Valve games such as the ones listed above.

I do think that this case is important because it is very public and does have an impact on how we enforce rules. If we violate our own procedure and policy, then what is the value of those procedures and policies? Why should anyone abide by the rules, if we do not enforce them or selectively enforce them for special people? I will stress yet again I am not sure if this is the case, but I think that whatever step that is taken here should be well-thought out and consider the implications beyond just this one person.

Edited September 26, 2012 by VaginalHubris

[Chez-Box 3,240]

I'm with hubris, it'd be nice to work something out, in written and posted form, offense vs. penalty for hacking, trolling, spamming, vac banned, etc. 1st offense, second offense, just so there is something concrete to refer to...

secondly, i agree with Taigos on once a hacker always a hacker, if you murder someone, it doesn't matter if you don't murder anyone else for 2 years, you are still a murderer... I would like to apply this to hacking as well

in this instance, since the ban was for trolling, I would move for an unban, with a firm message of "don't be a dick, dick" if you are such a supporter of the clan and the server, conduct yourself in a good manner while on the servers, and I think we can all move past this, and the world can begin to turn once more... the healing can begin

[Vaginal Hubris 2,659]

Let's do this elsewhere. This is an unban request, not a policy discussion.

Yes, but it is relevant to this ban request. No? And besides, there isn't anywhere else to do it. This way it is documented and on record. Transparency.

[Mariposa❧ 483]

So now murdering someone is on equal footing as hacking on tf2.

For once, I agree with Death Strike. I believe Steak should have been warned OR the ban should have been 2 weeks to a month. Not a permaban. True, he has been quite troll-y on 2fort though I am sure if you actually show him that there are consequences he will decrease this idiocy. He's been trolling Lotus East Coast for. . .how many months now? And no one reported him or recorded a demo. All of a sudden he is permabanned because a lotus recruit was targeted. I understand that you guys love your recruits and members, but I am pretty sure whatever steak did wasn't insanely offensive as to warrant a permaban.

[Krash 1,040]

Why do people shit where they eat?

No sense made. Reduce his ban to a month. All in favor?

[Willerms 1,794]

Seems fair

[No longer a Sexy King:^) 5,592]

Has been told me that lotus bans every person that has been banned in lotus with other account or got a vac ban, this guy has been banned once already, therefore following the rules, he should be banned.

Correct me if i'm wrong but this was what have been told to me.

[+Cactus 4,948]

I noticed I was banned after a map change a short while ago. Was wondering why? And would like to be unbanned. Your 2fort server is the only 2fort server, I really play on. Pretty much only server.

steam id: STEAM_0:0:35620235

My understanding is also that you were banned from Lotus servers before, and that you are playing on this alternate account in order to avoid this ban - is this accurate?

[totally not bees 0]

secondly, i agree with Taigos on once a hacker always a hacker, if you murder someone, it doesn't matter if you don't murder anyone else for 2 years, you are still a murderer... I would like to apply this to hacking as well

That is incredibly stupid and actually has nothing to do with this ban, as I said previously, if any of you had actually played with Steak (and some of you in this thread have) you'd see he isn't a hacker and his trolling is generally directed towards one or two people, people that can usually take it and in some cases people that actually know Steak.

This just sounds like another case of a butthurt admin that can't handle the job properly at all.

[Taigos 183]

That is incredibly stupid and actually has nothing to do with this ban, as I said previously, if any of you had actually played with Steak (and some of you in this thread have) you'd see he isn't a hacker and his trolling is generally directed towards one or two people, people that can usually take it and in some cases people that actually know Steak.

This just sounds like another case of a butthurt admin that can't handle the job properly at all.

First off, insulting admins isnt the way to help your case. All of the admins I have seen here are level headed and seem to do a good job at what they do.

Secondly, just by looking at this players chat log, http://stats.lotusclan.com/player_histories/chat/897657, doesnt seem like the nice guy a few people claim him to be. Insults, bragging and votekicks for pointless reason(rageswitching/crying)

[Nano 7,892]

This is pretty simple. If this is an alt account of a banned account (which it sounds like it is), then he is permabanned on all servers on his alt as well (and should have been a year ago). Future alts may result in an IP ban.

If it's not an alt account, the ban will be reduced to 1 month for excessive trolling.

As for the policy on what items get what bans, that's not relevant to this discussion. It can be suggested in any of the number of open suggestion threads elsewhere on these forums. Also, it is something that has been recently reviewed by Mana/Staff/Council, so it's not like it's a new concept for us. The current system is set up the way it is now by design, not accident.

Any replies from here on should be directly related to the following topic:

1. OP explaining that this isn't an alt (and any proof they could provide against the outstanding statements).

There has been plenty of feedback both for and against steak, I'm not sure that someone coming in and repeating the same items again will make any difference.

[totally not bees 0]

First off, insulting admins isnt the way to help your case. All of the admins I have seen here are level headed and seem to do a good job at what they do.

Secondly, just by looking at this players chat log, http://stats.lotuscl...ies/chat/897657, doesnt seem like the nice guy a few people claim him to be. Insults, bragging and votekicks for pointless reason(rageswitching/crying)

Which admin did I insult? Also, saying a comment is stupid is not the same as calling the person that said it stupid. Also also (also) and also, Steak uses his mic more than he types, so that isn't exactly 100% accurate.

[arshaven 2]

My understanding is also that you were banned from Lotus servers before, and that you are playing on this alternate account in order to avoid this ban - is this accurate?

Previous account was used by multiple people, I didn't really have much control over it. And when it was vac banned, I decided to make a personal account and only use that. Firstly, I had no idea I was banned from lotus servers because I couldn't even enter them. Secondly, I saw no topic, evidence or not, that I was I banned from lotus.

Also you'll notice, I reported people for hacking multiple times. It's not as if, I don't care about the server I play on. If admins are interested they can talk to me on steam. If not, that's fine. I can continue replying here.