Sad Times

[Fatal Fox 10]

Hey Everyone,

In the last few weeks I have been playing on many of LotusClan servers to find them more empty more often due to constant hacker attacks without any admin support. Not because you wont as admins. Because there are far too few of you. This is NOT a dig on Lotus admins, members etc in any way. Though if you all want to stay around, be in the top again you have to recruit more admin, have more active members dedicated to each server, and so forth and so on.

The servers I see hit the most are 2fort East Coast and 2fort New Jersey. I am a regular on both and many times something happens fellow donators and myself are left to act and try to figure out how to fix things. Which is hardly a fix.

A few suggestions that I have used to help other game groups get back on their feet.

1. Get a teamspeak or vent. This will allow swift communication between members, admins and normal players.

2. Appoint more admin per region, and more global. I know you all are going through some changes admin wise, but this gap that is still there is whats killing yall

3. Actually get some of your recruits in to the clan. There are far too few of the L| running around. It would be amazing to play with more of you.

I thank you all for taking your time to read this. And I hope I can continue to support and help you all. If there is anything I can do please message me here or hit me up on my email.

Hope to see yall around

Fatal Fox

Roderick Rostas

[Vaginal Hubris 2,659]

Could you be a little more specific?

I guess you should specify servers. Some servers maybe empty due the time of day or a list of other factors.

If there are hackers on a server and you do not report them, it is hard for admins to do anything.

I suggest you check out the list of admins if you run into trouble again. Also, you can always contact a global admin as they can take care of problems on all servers.

[Rurumie 306]

1, if we had that, i'd be against having random people joining it, as not all lotus members / recruits / etc is admins. yet they would still be spammed for "need of an admin"

2, already suggested. so give it some time

3, why would getting more recruits be a benefital against hackers?

Another thing, i suggest uploading demos and do reports, instead of giving that bs above. i know a few admins (especially ProLoser) who deal with the reports quite fast. else add some of the admins and call them when a hacker appears.

TIRED AS HELL

BS = BULLSHIT (sorry for the word

nothing mean ment in this, just my view of things

Edited February 4, 2013 by ミク

[Climhazzard 654]

3. Actually get some of your recruits in to the clan. There are far too few of the L| running around. It would be amazing to play with more of you.

Anyone with L or L-r is in lotus. The difference being L's are full members and are by no means all admins. Members have their own special forums section and pitch in with votes or ideas to make Lotus a better place. You can still contact an L-r for a problem and in most cases, can get you in touch with someone with the power to do something...or make and post a demo

Edited February 4, 2013 by Climhazzard

[Possum 10,776]

http://forums.gamingterritory.com/topic/22761-lotus-server-admins/

There are usually admins online, if not in-game, don't be afraid to message someone if there are problems, we won't bite With regards to the servers you mentioned, Death Strike is the admin for 2fort East Coast, and Joined Senses for 2fort NJ.

One thing I will say is that a very large proportion of all the hackers I see are on 2fort servers, so your experience may be a little skewed. I'm not saying you're wrong, just that your perception of the situation may be worse than it is generally. Regardless, it is a problem that needs to be addressed, and there are ongoing plans to do so. I definitely think that allocating multiple admins to the 2fort servers would be a good idea. I know we have done that for some of the 2fort UK servers, perhaps we could look at doing the same for others as well.

Thanks very much for your input

[Climhazzard 654]

Death Strike is the admin for 2fort East Coast

If memory serves, which in most cases doesnt There is 3 East coast 24/7 2 fort servers DS is only admin on the (x33) so only a global admin can help in the other server

I definitely think that allocating multiple admins to the 2fort servers would be a good idea.

I like this idea, especially because I applied for admin on the x33, teehee

[-Tristan- 948]

I think that there does need to be a faster way to deal with hackers. What form that solution should take is hard to say. Initially, Possum is definitely right that there are more hackers on 2fort. I have no idea why.

Making demos isn't onerous, but it does take 5-10 minutes, plus the time required for a response and a ban. A hacker can make 10-20 people leave a server easily in 10 minutes. Now when it's completely flagrant, they'll usually get votebanned pretty quick, and that can solve the problem. Would it be possible to lower the voteban threshold (or is that a bad idea?). I'm trying to think of a way to efficiently ban hackers without requiring admins to be on call 24/7.

[Rurumie 306]

I think that there does need to be a faster way to deal with hackers. What form that solution should take is hard to say. Initially, Possum is definitely right that there are more hackers on 2fort. I have no idea why.

Making demos isn't onerous, but it does take 5-10 minutes, plus the time required for a response and a ban. A hacker can make 10-20 people leave a server easily in 10 minutes. Now when it's completely flagrant, they'll usually get votebanned pretty quick, and that can solve the problem. Would it be possible to lower the voteban threshold (or is that a bad idea?). I'm trying to think of a way to efficiently ban hackers without requiring admins to be on call 24/7.

a suggestion. decrease the damm voteban ratio..

i've experienced having 79 out of 80 required to succeed a voteban..

lowering it abit, would be more efficiant imo

[Nano 7,892]

The number of admins on the servers had tripled in the last month. It's something that being worked on. That being said the numbers do not show a decline in the amount of players on our servers total. Of course sometimes some servers die, but others grow at an equal rate.

[Fatal Fox 10]

As stated this was no dig on any of you all. But it is showing the US servers specifically the more used East Coast and Jersey servers are fading. More admins would take the weight of one or two people who have normal lives like we all do. They cant be on 24/7. No one could ((well I could be wrong there lol)).

The suggestion to have more members comes from this idea. Instead of listing to some random person like me, waiting for a demo, etc etc you would have people you trust more with dealing with this. Thought that is what members of a clan do, besides be friends and play with each other. They should be the first line of d-fence.

The vote ban ratio is a problem as well. Its always that one damn percent

As also stated in my first message here I know you are implementing new admins and the such. It takes time, got it. These where just a few things that other regulars and myself wanted to bring up.

There was no reason to attack me for this post either. This place is awesome. We just don't want to see it start to crumble beneath our feet, that's all.

[Rurumie 306]

As stated this was no dig on any of you all. But it is showing the US servers specifically the more used East Coast and Jersey servers are fading. More admins would take the weight of one or two people who have normal lives like we all do. They cant be on 24/7. No one could ((well I could be wrong there lol)).

The suggestion to have more members comes from this idea. Instead of listing to some random person like me, waiting for a demo, etc etc you would have people you trust more with dealing with this. Thought that is what members of a clan do, besides be friends and play with each other. They should be the first line of d-fence.

The vote ban ratio is a problem as well. Its always that one damn percent

As also stated in my first message here I know you are implementing new admins and the such. It takes time, got it. These where just a few things that other regulars and myself wanted to bring up.

There was no reason to attack me for this post either. This place is awesome. We just don't want to see it start to crumble beneath our feet, that's all.

Lotus is awesome we know that..

anywya.. theres probably more admin on the way and if not - missing people for it. i wouldn't mind being a east / west coast admin (eventho im from europe, my sleeping schedule is fucked up and my ping is great).. on another note, it's better to have staff picking the admins, over what we actually could offer. i'm still a recruit and i wont ask to be 1 either.. if i do get picked. it would be good, i guess?. idk.. would it?

meeeh. randomness aside. go add some of the admins for east / west servers, then spam them to death when hackers appears. my best advice i can give atm.. else -> demo and forum

[Taigos 183]

Sadly this was kind of what killed my interest in tf2. The server me and alot of my friends played on EC goldrush x33 got over run with hackers and griefers. I couldnt get them banned fast enough and the server became a ghost town. Most now play on other clans server like Skial.

So I can see where this kinda thing came from.

Basically lotus has or had a lack of an active admin presence. Dont take it wrong I have alot of respect for the admins, but when you have this many servers and only a few admins on at a time. Makes for alot of open water.

Edit: cant remember names for shit

Edited February 4, 2013 by Taigos

[Taigos 183]

Im confusing a name or something i guess but w/e

Skial lol i was close, but yea those servers.

im fucking terrible with names

[Possum 10,776]

I think that there does need to be a faster way to deal with hackers. What form that solution should take is hard to say. Initially, Possum is definitely right that there are more hackers on 2fort. I have no idea why.

Look at what most of the 2fort is notorious for: snipers. What are the majority of the 2fort hackers reported for? Aimbots, wallhack or similar. Sniper is the most obvious, and perhaps most immediately "rewarding" class to use such hacks on, and 2fort is the easiest place to implement those cheats. At least that is the way I interpret it.

There was no reason to attack me for this post either. This place is awesome. We just don't want to see it start to crumble beneath our feet, that's all.

I'm not sure if you're talking to me, but in case you are, can I say I never meant to sound like I was attacking you. Its good that you're producing input in a constructive non-aggressive manner, and it would be great if more people could do so. If you're not referring to me, then ignore this

[-Tristan- 948]

Sometimes possums just appear rabid.

[Mana 3,867]

As stated this was no dig on any of you all. But it is showing the US servers specifically the more used East Coast and Jersey servers are fading. More admins would take the weight of one or two people who have normal lives like we all do. They cant be on 24/7. No one could ((well I could be wrong there lol)).

Compare us to any other big TF2 community that is still around. You'll see the same everywhere.

There's other free to play games now, DOTA 2 is quite popular on Steam. TF2 will pick up again in Summer as it always does. We go through this every year.

Unless of course it's the new admins that we're adding that are causing this. Perhaps we need less admins then. We had way more players last summer (and practically no admins) than we did this winter. Is this it? Probably not because admin numbers do not correlate to server popularity.

I'm actually not aware of any other community that has more popular East Coast servers than we do. We could cut the number in half and still be at the top.

[Fatal Fox 10]

Though the other communities .eg, eGO, SKIAL or whatever have grown, many of them mention Lotus as to stringent with recruiting or what not. Not sure if I agree. BUT... The lack if admin is prevalent through all of your servers. And as posted many times before we know you are working on a fix.

Though one observation I have made is this. You are a tight knit group. Which is awesome, though it seems you have to win gold in the Olympics to even be looked at as a normal member recruit. ((idk thats how I see it))

But I would like to suggest you open your recruiting parameters up a little. As well as time frames that members are accepted.

You could take my situation for example. Which I will not delve in to the specifics. But If I dont even get a chance to try due to circumstances I cant help... Kinda crummy feeling XP

Any way that rant was as off topic as the rabid, and very scary looking possum. Kinda glad I ran over one at 70MPH that one time...

[Chez-Box 3,240]

Easy solution: let Chez-Box be admin, everyone is a winner, especially Chez-Box!

HAHAH, see what I did there? Made a joke of it, but on a serious note, really, make me admin >.< what do I have to do? write a song? don't test me

[Peter Griffin 70]

Well, I do agree that their is a lot of hackers lately on the east coast 2fort, and I don't know where death has been, I haven't seen him on the server in like 2 months, maybe I just have bad timing on when I go on. and same to me as chez

Edited February 5, 2013 by Peter Griffin

[Peter Griffin 70]

P.S. they also do ridiculous amounts of coca Colombiana pura.

I think thats only you 7....

[DEATH STRIKE 573]

Well, I do agree that their is a lot of hackers lately on the east coast 2fort, and I don't know where death has been, I haven't seen him on the server in like 2 months, maybe I just have bad timing on when I go on. and same to me as chez

I have been busy the last 2 weeks.....and play mainly at night. I guess with DEATH is at play it keeps the hackers away(well most of them) LOL!

[Vaginal Hubris 2,659]

I guess with DEATH is at play it keeps the hackers away(well most of them) LOL!

It is his big dick he swings around. Watch out or you will poke your eye out.

[You suck and have no life 203]

Maybe its time you step outside and enjoy some fresh air.

[Nano 7,892]

Maybe its time you step outside and enjoy some fresh air.

[Taigos 183]