Crit Vote On Arena Servers?

[Ruby 9,039]

Hey,

lately I've been spending some time on the Arena servers, and the community there seems pretty nice. There's one thing there, though, that bugs those folks a lot, and after a few rounds it started to bug me as well, and that is, random criticals.

I've stumbled upon this nice plugin (unfortunately SourceMod forums are broken atm) which enables crit votes. Since Arena rounds are quick, it would be nice if the votecrit could be until map change (and map changes come fast anyway). I think this could also tie in nicely with our donation system (as more people would possibly be inclined to donate if they could votecrit on their arena server).

Since you can't get matchmaked into an Arena server via quickplay, it also eliminates the problem of nocrit servers being delisted from quickplay. Arena server regulars are usually skilled players who know what they are doing and they would likely appreciate this feature greatly.

Cheers

[James 279]

Yep this is a good idea I have spent far to long in the arena server listening to people questioning why the crits exist and there are some of the best players I have ever seen in that server and I know they would rather the quick matches are based on there skill rather then random crits and luck

Edited October 12, 2013 by revird163

[BloodRedWidow 3,508]

Skilled people in arenas? That's me out then =[

[-MW- 5]

A "crit-free" arena match is for cowards. Suck it up and learn to play the whole game, not just the parts you like.

If it would draw more people to Lotus servers I would vote yes. If it's just so people can avoid getting random crit killed then I vote no.

The major problem I see is that any plugin that alters the gameplay, including removing crits, would make the server unavailable for quick connect. This would make the server highly exclusive.

Show me a server full of people willing to play, without random crits, and you get my vote.

[Ruby 9,039]

The major problem I see is that any plugin that alters the gameplay, including removing crits, would make the server unavailable for quick connect. This would make the server highly exclusive.

Show me a server full of people willing to play, without random crits, and you get my vote.

Since you can't get matchmaked into an Arena server via quickplay, it also eliminates the problem of nocrit servers being delisted from quickplay. Arena server regulars are usually skilled players who know what they are doing and they would likely appreciate this feature greatly.

https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=2825-AFGJ-3513

How does the matchmaking work?

You need to be running a Valve map to be matched, except:

• Any arena map
• cp_manor_event
• cp_degrootkeep
• koth_harvest_event
• tc_hydro

See, reading isn't hard

[Kitten 1,813]

If it could be implemented it sounds like a great idea (also, how about no spread?).

[James 279]

A "crit-free" arena match is for cowards. Suck it up and learn to play the whole game, not just the parts you like.

If it would draw more people to Lotus servers I would vote yes. If it's just so people can avoid getting random crit killed then I vote no.

The major problem I see is that any plugin that alters the gameplay, including removing crits, would make the server unavailable for quick connect. This would make the server highly exclusive.

Show me a server full of people willing to play, without random crits, and you get my vote.

The server alot of the time does have alot of "regulars" in it and they do alot of the time make up the majority of the server and I think them regulars are the backbone of the server and it is them who are becoming more frustrated at the random crits BUT I have also seen people join the server and then leave and refuse to come back purely because of the random crits :/ If we push the regulars away and then deter the newcomers the server will die. Even if the case was it had to become "exclusive" - which I dont think it will. An exclusive server is far better then a dead one.

Also I dont think a "crit-free" arena match is for cowards :/ I think the rounds are meant to be quite intense and being killed by a lucky crit can frustrate skilled players. The MAIN objective of this gamemode is to stay alive and random crits affect your chances of this. It is like playing 2fort where the MAIN objective is capturing the intel and having some random chance that the intel will fly over and capture itself.

I am only speaking from a point of seeing others complaining about the crits personally it doesnt bother me because I am not a skilled player haha

[Barbaro 466]

Hey,

lately I've been spending some time on the Arena servers, and the community there seems pretty nice. There's one thing there, though, that bugs those folks a lot, and after a few rounds it started to bug me as well, and that is, random criticals.

I've stumbled upon this nice plugin (unfortunately SourceMod forums are broken atm) which enables crit votes. Since Arena rounds are quick, it would be nice if the votecrit could be until map change (and map changes come fast anyway). I think this could also tie in nicely with our donation system (as more people would possibly be inclined to donate if they could votecrit on their arena server).

Since you can't get matchmaked into an Arena server via quickplay, it also eliminates the problem of nocrit servers being delisted from quickplay. Arena server regulars are usually skilled players who know what they are doing and they would likely appreciate this feature greatly.

Cheers

http://forums.gamingterritory.com/topic/23356-no-crits/?p=158155

Over half of those threads are about the Arena Servers.

I've yet to see the twenty or more regulars that could keep the server alive with game mods installed.

[Ruby 9,039]

http://forums.gamingterritory.com/topic/23356-no-crits/?p=158155

Over half of those threads are about the Arena Servers.

I've yet to see the twenty or more regulars that could keep the server alive with game mods installed.

Arena server already IS kept alive by the regulars, since there's no matchmaking for arena.

[-MW- 5]

https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=2825-AFGJ-3513

See, reading isn't hard

Didn't know it wasn't part of quick connect.

Point still remains: show me a full server 7 days a week.

The server alot of the time does have alot of "regulars" in it and they do alot of the time make up the majority of the server and I think them regulars are the backbone of the server and it is them who are becoming more frustrated at the random crits BUT I have also seen people join the server and then leave and refuse to come back purely because of the random crits :/ If we push the regulars away and then deter the newcomers the server will die. Even if the case was it had to become "exclusive" - which I dont think it will. An exclusive server is far better then a dead one.

Also I dont think a "crit-free" arena match is for cowards :/ I think the rounds are meant to be quite intense and being killed by a lucky crit can frustrate skilled players. The MAIN objective of this gamemode is to stay alive and random crits affect your chances of this. It is like playing 2fort where the MAIN objective is capturing the intel and having some random chance that the intel will fly over and capture itself.

I am only speaking from a point of seeing others complaining about the crits personally it doesnt bother me because I am not a skilled player haha

It's cute how you say "being killed by a lucky crit can frustrate skilled players." There isn't one player who actually has any skill who would be pissed off because the game acted the way it always has and should.

Again; this petty nit-picking is pointless. Show me a server full of people asking for this that can keep the server full. Done.

[Ruby 9,039]

Didn't know it wasn't part of quick connect.

Point still remains: show me a full server 7 days a week.

I don't know why you have to be so frustrated. So, you want people talking about crits being bullshit seven days a week?

Sunday

Saturday

Friday

Thursday

Wednesday (Notice the guy asking me if I can remove crits from the server)

Tuesday

Monday

I hope this gets your recruit seal of approval. I assure you that I wouldn't have made this thread unless I knew for sure that the server actually wants such a feature, and that the server is decently filled every day - more decently than a lot of other servers, at least. Notice how people of all skill positions, be it #4 or #1000, complain about crits.

[Gotcha 6,307]

Barbaro has a point. This has been brought up a billion times and was declined a billion times. The Arena servers never died, except for the time random-crits were removed. Which is after multiple test runs a proven fact.

^ You're not thinking outside of your little box. You won't see those that don't mind the crits writing "random crits sure are terrific" every time they goal one. Sure there are complains and there will always be complains by people being frustrated over getting killed by random crits, but those remain a minority. Such is the nature of reviewing something, most people only bother doing so if something upsets them, the rest simply enjoy it.

[Ruby 9,039]

Barbaro has a point. This has been brought up a billion times and was declined a billion times. The Arena servers never died, except for the time random-crits were removed. Which is after multiple test runs a proven fact.

^ You're not thinking outside of your little box. You won't see those that don't mind the crits writing "random crits sure are terrific" every time they goal one. Sure there are complains and there will always be complains by people being frustrated over getting killed by random crits, but those remain a minority. Such is the nature of reviewing something, most people only bother doing so if something upsets them, the rest simply enjoy it.

The point of this post is not to remove crits completely, but to give an option for server to govern itself and vote on crits. As you can see from the title of the thread and then the multiple posts I wrote, the suggestion is crit vote, not flat-out removal of all random crits. This is ideal for when there's a lot of people on the server who would like to play without crits.

If the majority does want random crits enabled, then they won't have a problem with voting "no" on a vote for disabling random crits. We can even implement some sort of statistics to track how many times votes succeeded. With your whooping one minute and 49 seconds played on an Arena server, I am sure you know exactly what Arena players want.

[Gotcha 6,307]

The point of this post is not to remove crits completely, but to give an option for server to govern itself and vote on crits. As you can see from the title of the thread and then the multiple posts I wrote, the suggestion is crit vote, not flat-out removal of all random crits. This is ideal for when there's a lot of people on the server who would like to play without crits.

If the majority does want random crits enabled, then they won't have a problem with voting "no" on a vote for disabling random crits. We can even implement some sort of statistics to track how many times votes succeeded. With your whooping one minute and 49 seconds played on an Arena server, I am sure you know exactly what Arena players want.

Oh boy. It sure is annoying when a person doesn't pay attention to the title and OP of a thread at all, but posts irrelevant things anyway doesn't it?

Also, while we're at irrelevant things you write, I don't see how my connected time is relevant to the topic at all, as it is completely inaccurate. (Besides you're not even close to 2 hours yourself http://stats.lotusclan.com/playerinfo/456126) Mostly considering the stats are back for about a month, and purged any playtime achieved in 4 years, it's more like a ridiculously bad joke. But then again, why would I even expect you to figure that out yourself?

Point remains though, that there won't be a no-crit arena server. You're pretty much asking hundreds of arena players that don't even have a forum account to come here and vote. Good luck with that.

[Ruby 9,039]

Oh boy. It sure is annoying when a person doesn't pay attention to the title and OP of a thread at all, but posts irrelevant things anyway doesn't it?

Also, while we're at irrelevant things you write, I don't see how my connected time is relevant to the topic at all, as it is completely inaccurate. Mostly considering the stats are back for about a month, and purged any playtime achieved in 4 years, it's more like a ridiculously bad joke. But then again, why would I even expect you to figure that out yourself?

Point remains though, that there won't be a no-crit arena server. You're pretty much asking hundreds of arena players that don't even have a forum account to come here and vote. Good luck with that.

If the first part of the post is supposed to be some kind of a personal attack, I'm afraid I don't get it and that it doesn't belong in this thread. I'm sure there are plenty of places where you can voice your displeasure with my existence, but as far as I recall you locked all of them. Now please stay on topic.

If you had interest in Arena or its players, you would have probably connected for more than one minute in the past 45 days.

The point is to install a plugin, similar to votescramble, votekick or voteban which would serve for the purpose of enabling or disabling crits in a round, or until map change. I noted your concerns that the minority could somehow influence the vote, and I await comments of people who can offer me solid answers (Mana) or people who are Arena regulars.

[Gotcha 6,307]

If the first part of the post is supposed to be some kind of a personal attack, I'm afraid I don't get it and that it doesn't belong in this thread. I'm sure there are plenty of places where you can voice your displeasure with my existence, but as far as I recall you locked all of them. Now please stay on topic.

If you had interest in Arena or its players, you would have probably connected for more than one minute in the past 45 days.

The point is to install a plugin, similar to votescramble, votekick or voteban which would serve for the purpose of enabling or disabling crits in a round, or until map change. I noted your concerns that the minority could somehow influence the vote, and I await comments of people who can offer me solid answers (Mana) or people who are Arena regulars.

If the second part of your post is supposed to be some kind of personal attack, it's failing badly as you continue to argue with stats of the past month, while this is about years of experience. Your stats only show about an hour yourself, and you're arguing with play time? I know fairly more than you do about Arena. If you would have read my posts, you would have seen that we ran multiple test s in the past years about this, and they all gave the same output. But okay, since you're going to stay stubborn, immature and disrespectful as always, once again waiting for Mana it is. So he can tell you exactly what I told you already, though I'm afraid you your inflated ego won't even accept his response anymore, like last time.

[Ruby 9,039]

If the second part of your post is supposed to be some kind of personal attack, it's failing badly as you continue to argue with stats of the past month, while this is about years of experience. I know fairly more than you do about Arena. If you would have read my posts, you would have seen that we ran multiple test s in the past years about this, and they all gave the same output. But okay, since you're going to stay stubborn, immature and disrespectful as always, once again waiting for Mana it is. So he can tell you exactly what I told you already, though I'm afraid you your inflated ego won't even accept his response anymore, like last time.

I appreciate the fact that you allow me to wait for someone competent to answer. The only other thread like this ( http://forums.gamingterritory.com/topic/18535-implement-a-crit-vote-on-arena-servers/page-2?hl=+crit%20+arena) got caught up in the same thing you, MW and Barbaro are catching it up in, and that's the fact that you somehow think crit vote will disable crits forever. Arena maps go for no longer than 15 - 20 minutes, so people can get to voice whether they want RANDOM crits or not very often.

[Gotcha 6,307]

I appreciate the fact that you allow me to wait for someone competent to answer. The only other thread like this ( http://forums.gamingterritory.com/topic/18535-implement-a-crit-vote-on-arena-servers/page-2?hl=+crit%20+arena) got caught up in the same thing you, MW and Barbaro are catching it up in, and that's the fact that you somehow think crit vote will disable crits forever. Arena maps go for no longer than 15 - 20 minutes, so people can get to voice whether they want RANDOM crits or not very often.

That doesn't neglect the fact you chose to ignore. That you're asking a handful of people that mostly don't even play arena to vote on this, while the hundred of people that should decide it won't even be here. And on the other hand, you're labeling my solid answer as invalid because according to the stats I never play arena, but neither do people that will vote, who you consider legit. That is highly contradictive and continues to prove that you ignore my answer because of personal reasons.

[Ruby 9,039]

That doesn't neglect the fact you chose to ignore. That you're asking a handful of people that mostly don't even play arena to vote on this, while the hundred of people that should decide it won't even be here. And on the other hand, you're labeling my solid answer as invalid because according to the stats I never play arena, but neither do people that will vote, who you consider legit. That is highly contradictive and continues to prove that you ignore my answer because of personal reasons.

I have no personal reasons to ignore your answers, even so, I'm not ignoring them, I'm actively responding to any questions you have.

Putting a poll on this was probably a bad idea, and the poll itself has nothing to do with the suggestion, it's just to give people an option to say what they think without posting or involving too much. Again, I am asking about a votecrit command on the server similar to votescramble. You could say the same thing as an argument against scrambling - "it's meant to be played like that, nobody cares if teams are uneven" etc etc. But if over 50% (or 60%, or whatever) of the server would like to play a map without crits, then they should be allowed to have an option to do so. Nocrit would not be imposed on anyone - people could call votecrit the same way they call votescramble, and if enough people agree, random crits would be turned off for the rest of the map time, or for three-four next rounds. If people want to play with crits ("silent majority") then they won't call a vote. As simple as that.

any more questions?

[Gotcha 6,307]

I have no personal reasons to ignore your answers, even so, I'm not ignoring them, I'm actively responding to any questions you have.

Putting a poll on this was probably a bad idea, and the poll itself has nothing to do with the suggestion, it's just to give people an option to say what they think without posting or involving too much. Again, I am asking about a votecrit command on the server similar to votescramble. You could say the same thing as an argument against scrambling - "it's meant to be played like that, nobody cares if teams are uneven" etc etc. But if over 50% (or 60%, or whatever) of the server would like to play a map without crits, then they should be allowed to have an option to do so. Nocrit would not be imposed on anyone - people could call votecrit the same way they call votescramble, and if enough people agree, random crits would be turned off for the rest of the map time, or for three-four next rounds. If people want to play with crits ("silent majority") then they won't call a vote. As simple as that.

any more questions?

Nope. I will personally nudge Mana towards this thread.

[vin0 5]

Time for me to pipe in. I'd consider myself one of the regulars on the server and I can see why people who do not play arena think that crits are a minor inconvenience, especially when they play the other game modes with respawn timers.

When I play other game modes I don't really care if I die whether it be to crits or normal shots as I'll just respawn a few seconds later. In arena if you die at the start of a round your out for probably around a minute or more (I've seen whole teams be kicked into spectator because the round has gone on for so long), so when it's a crit people are generally even more annoyed because it feel's like a death you could have done nothing to avoid.

But the occasion when a player's anger really peaks is when it's a 1vs1 situation in arena, your whole team is speccing you, palms are getting sweaty, and then crit. That's when you see the rage burst into the chat, as you can see in darwin's post above, as the player has just been humiliated by some lucky crit, no skill involved.

If it's the servers population you're worried about I would honestly quit worrying, the vast majority of the people on the server I play on (lotus UK arena) are regulars and the community is quite tightly knit. Most of the regulars on there I use to play with on the GoV arena server which did have nocrits on it and the server was I believe one of the most populated standard arena servers at the time. (I dont actually know what happend to this server it just disappeared from my favourites list after I quit playing for a while, by that time everyone had moved to the lotus server.)

Well that's my rant over, if you would like more people to vote on this poll to persuade you i'm sure I can entice a few to these forums.

[-MW- 5]

This whole thread was super fun to read. It's the first time I've seen Darwin put on his ass-hat to stare reason in the face and yell, "No!"

All hilariousness aside: Don't want to get killed by crits? Play better!

Super Simple Stuff.

I know, however, that the lines are drawn and idiots will continue to be idiots, regardless of reason.

Let's all just wait till Mana weighs in

[Kitten 1,813]

I'm not sure you can "play better" to avoid the random deaths that crits cause. They're certainly part of the game, and they help level out skill differences (personally, I have a lot of fun going rambo as medic when I know I have max crit chance) - but while you said the best players would never complain about them because it's a game mechanic, I'm pretty sure they would. Unless we're talking pub stars, crits have no place in comp, with *the* best players.

Which, of course, is neither here nor there for the matter at hand (should this idea be implemented on a pub server with less than the best players). But a lot of the people who play arena are more interested in the DM, and any real DM server is no crit no spread - therefore Darwin's idea of giving people the option on a server that's already disallowed from quickplay seems reasonable to me.

The discussion that's devolved from this thread does not.

[LjubicaZubica 5,610]

Phew, after reading whole thread, I´m changing my vote from weirdos into yes and supporting Darwin´s idea.

Why?

Because it is giving option to vote do they want kritz or not. So it´s not just a server without kritz.

There is one non-kritz server on East Coast and it´s empty all the time, so I guess that is the reason why Gotcha is against it. Looks like those servers just can´t survive.

If it´s not to much problem (putting that plug-in) why not try and make arena regulars happy.

But yeah, look at the Kitten´s picture.

[fever 9,884]

It gives options, they don't have to be taken - it was a yes from me. Enjoyable reading the thread though...I think there are some other things going on though from reading the thread....get a room and sort it out or sort yourselves out ;-)