Mr Pain 0 #1 Posted September 24, 2008 I'm an atheist. Plz answer this if u do believe in god: Have u ever heard of the valley of gehenna?; Why do u believe in god? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doxt 1 #2 Posted September 24, 2008 "god" is a human word and a human concept. I believe "god" is something beyond our comprehension. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Pain 0 #3 Posted September 24, 2008 yet u believe in him and u haven't said why?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doxt 1 #4 Posted September 24, 2008 yet u believe in him and u haven't said why?? not "him" him implies that it is a person or a being Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rydawg 14 #5 Posted September 24, 2008 Aliens are the higher power! TF2 is their Vessel Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Oww My Nose 19 #6 Posted September 24, 2008 lol rydawg i'm agnostic, but i do believe in evolution, contrary to what i posted to piss off yousuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rydawg 14 #7 Posted September 24, 2008 Evolution, where to get started! I have the neighboor who whole heartedly thinks evolution is bunk, and I'm not just talking Human evolution I'm talking anything. He is such a religious crackhead that his eyes wont open to any other views, not even his Priest/pastor ( whatever they are called) says this guy is nuts for not having an open mind. Hell humans have evolved in the last 3 years! though its not a huge amoutn but its true. Look how much bigger we are now than then and i'm not talkign fat. You only have to look at a current movie vs an old one to notice the differences, Womens breast size, mens shoe size. etc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anonymous Coward 0 #8 Posted September 24, 2008 You think this universe is randomly created? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Camail 1 #9 Posted September 24, 2008 If you believe in god then god exists. If you believe in the lack of god then god does not exist. All and all I think threads like these phail. As for me, I choose to follow my own created beliefs that don't fit into any religion. So in the sense most people know god, god does not exist for me. The mind is god. I do have to say one thing though, atheism is a belief also. Anything that can be changed once can be changed an infinite amount of times. The diference of mainstream and science is the science observe, even though theoretically every single discovery ever made could be wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Troispoint 0 #10 Posted September 24, 2008 Im atheist Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rydawg 14 #11 Posted September 24, 2008 I dont argue with people about religion. Having not been to church in 17 years I side with no religion and think for myself and believe whatever i believe. I find agruing with people and their beliefs is retarded, you won't change their mind no matter how logical your thoughts are. In my eyes Science > Religion. I base my thoughts on logic, fact and actual happenings. Science tells me something is true then gives me cold hard undisputable evidence to show why it is so. Religion gives you an idea and a book. Hardly enough for me to base my thoughts, life and actions on. But that isnt for everyone and I realize this and will never call someone stupid etc for believing in the Bible or God or Whatever. Do I think there is a higher power? Sure, what form is realy up in the air. I dont think in the traditional sense of 'God'. I dont see something, feel something... then it cannot be. I feel people have it within them to rise in low times and overcome great obstacles. Do what makes you happy, believe what makes you happy and you will be happy. Noone can take that from you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Pain 0 #12 Posted September 25, 2008 i didn't plan on arguing this subject with anyone, nor will i do it, yet i think every catholic/christian should know about the valley of gehenna. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rydawg 14 #13 Posted September 25, 2008 Oh Pain, I wasnt saying we were agruing I was just saying in general I wont about religion. It makes the worst come out of people when you attack their believes. I do love a good conversation though! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
silvio 0 #14 Posted September 25, 2008 omg grow a backbone and stand by what you say, right? laugh Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
You suck and have no life 203 #15 Posted September 25, 2008 http://www.youtube.com/user/Thunderf00t Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rydawg 14 #16 Posted September 25, 2008 omg grow a backbone and stand by what you say, right? laugh I stated in my post that 'i dont argue with people about religion' Pain came back with 'im not trying to argue' and i was letting him know i meant in general ( that i wasnt arguing with him), not pertaining to this thread :/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TeaBag 0 #17 Posted September 25, 2008 It was the Romans who created the idea that "God" created everything. That's within the Christian religion however, around the time of 1209 in the UK The University of Cambridge was set up to rival the views of the religious University of Oxford. Greek and Muslim material on science was making its way around Europe to great objection to the Christian leaders of the churches. It was Albertus Magnus who completely changed this for the churches and allowed the church to accept such views on science. Human Nature has always perceived there to be a higher power, no matter what period of time no matter what religion. The fact is that man needs his believe in a higher power and in the past things that were not understood were explained simply as 'The work of the Gods'. Today the need for a higher power imo isn't needed, many things can now be explained with leaps and bounds in science. I would like to believe in a higher power however I feel that most things can be explained. So with that being said I do not believe in God simply because there is no evidence to back this believe up. That's not to say religion is bad. Religion has been a great source of Laws and Morals, with such things its hard to imagine what the world would have been without them. With this being said, religion to date is still a source of wars and hate within the world. Any religion can be interpolated to mean whatever you want it to mean. Even the Bible, those who contradict this should read a little history. I guess my views are as an Atheist, however I do not discount anyone who believes in God/s. Also arguing with a creationist who believes so strongly will do nothing other than to upset the both of you. People who have dead-set beliefs rarely change their views so willingly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nket 16 #18 Posted September 25, 2008 Evolution. Things were made gradually over time because conditions were right. If god created Humans and animals and earth and plants in 7 days then why are there fossils of creatures that existed before this time and why would the universe be so unimaginably massive if earth is where life is? Why would the bible depict god as a vengeful smiter that ends everyone who stands agaist him without a second thought then in the new testament change his outlook completely differently? if he is god then how come there are religions killing each other in his name? I find it difficult to believe this god is around, science explains things far too well besides just saying "god did it" and we have physical evidence of evidence and that earth and life has been around for millions of years, not a few thousand. the only evidence of god is written in books made by many different people and translated into different languages, making each language different. Im sorry you believers, but i find hard evidence is much more convincing than faith and a book. (also no scientists or evolutionists have ever murdered anyone for believing in god, yet god has been the reason for murder and death on a grand scale.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
You suck and have no life 203 #19 Posted September 25, 2008 Evolution. Things were made gradually over time because conditions were right. If god created Humans and animals and earth and plants in 7 days then why are there fossils of creatures that existed before this time and why would the universe be so unimaginably massive if earth is where life is? Why would the bible depict god as a vengeful smiter that ends everyone who stands agaist him without a second thought then in the new testament change his outlook completely differently? if he is god then how come there are religions killing each other in his name? I find it difficult to believe this god is around, science explains things far too well besides just saying "god did it" and we have physical evidence of evidence and that earth and life has been around for millions of years, not a few thousand. the only evidence of god is written in books made by many different people and translated into different languages, making each language different. Im sorry you believers, but i find hard evidence is much more convincing than faith and a book. (also no scientists or evolutionists have ever murdered anyone for believing in god, yet god has been the reason for murder and death on a grand scale.) Wow, you're pretty smart, and you have good kdr. Thats pretty hard to find! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TeaBag 0 #20 Posted September 26, 2008 I just want to add, its wrong to assume that people who believe in a God/s, that they also believe in Creationism. Here is a List of scientists with beliefs, many of them are well known. Many of them as you know DID NOT support creationism. YouSuckAndYouHaveNoLife, funny and some fact videos for you. This is extremely funny. A professor tries to debunk creationism. This is why FOX is junk sorry i can't put up the youtube video links, youtube doesn't like me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
You suck and have no life 203 #21 Posted September 26, 2008 Creationists are so dumb. This one is hilarious. Dont watch this if you havent taken biology. You are just going to confuse yourself like this idiot kent hovind. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nket 16 #22 Posted September 26, 2008 This is extremely funny. A professor tries to debunk creationism. This is why FOX is junk I can't watch debates like that, the Creationist always has his head in his ass and acts like a complete idiot while the evolutionist or the scientist sits there and gets yelled at or talked down at by the Creationist even though the science side of the argument makes far more sense, I really can't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alucard winrar 0 #23 Posted September 26, 2008 atheist. I take the same stance with religion as with everything else, pics or it didnt happen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TeaBag 0 #24 Posted September 26, 2008 I can't watch debates like that, the Creationist always has his head in his ass and acts like a complete idiot while the evolutionist or the scientist sits there and gets yelled at or talked down at by the Creationist even though the science side of the argument makes far more sense, I really can't. Its worth watching because it just shows how pointless and worthless the creationist argument is, this is a professor talking to O'Reilly on FOX news. Also like the videos that 'YouSuckAndYouHaveNoLife' have linked mock O'Reilly for his views. I haven't taken biology further then high school however I do understand the videos posted above. In all fairness, creationism is an extreme view of Christianity and/or any religion. I do not honestly feel that all Christians belief in Creationism as I stated before. The fact is their are people who exist that believe whole-heartedly everything they read in the bible, or any other religious book. The fact is all these book were written by men a great deal of time ago, if I was to believe what the Karrah said the world would be flat. We know this isn't the case so why do these people choose to believe in such things. I wish I could find a Albertus Magnus quote. I cannot find the right quote which funny enough I had seen in a Documentary only a week ago which was about the religion vs the church in medieval times. The fact that I am trying to make is that not all Christians although I am not one believe in Creationism. I had a PE teacher who said he found God when he woke up one morning he found a bible on his bedside cabinet, and this was out of the blue. He said he never owned a bible nor was there one in the house, yet one appeared before he when he woke up. He took this to mean after awhile that God must have spoke to him. He was a very smart man, and I did ask him and all the time he was so sure. Side note this man also taught History and Science (no, not wacky science). I also linked the wrong Izzard video I am an atheist, If I don't see it or can't explain it then it doesn't exist. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites