Do You Believe In God?

[LuckyLidirt 0]

You're all idiots. I'm one too. How can a poll like this be so black and white as to have only two options. This post was trash from the get go. On top of that, these posts only create more and more trash over such a opinionated and controversial subject. I'm going to bed.

[You suck and have no life 203]

You're all idiots. I'm one too. How can a poll like this be so black and white as to have only two options. This post was trash from the get go. On top of that, these posts only create more and more trash over such a opinionated and controversial subject. I'm going to bed.

Its as black as my pubic hair, and as white as michael jackson as you can get. Science/Evolution is right. Creationism and Religion is wrong and everything else is wrong.

Science and scientists gave us clean water, food, shelter, technology, computers, medicine, knowledge, space research, cities, agriculture. Religion didnt give us shit. They think they can force their made up shit into peoples minds with out research and evidence? Bullshit.

In another 1000 years, we will figured out completely our past and our universe, by then nobody is going to believe in religion. The problem is, religion is hindering technological advancements right now because they try to force it into schools wasting our curriculums, and scientists are wasting their time disproving their stupid shit rather than doing real research and bettering humankind.

[LuckyLidirt 0]

Still don't see how it can be so black and white. I can see your perspective however.

[Oww My Nose 19]

kind of funny how religion didn't give us shit...

now, it's useless, before, for thousands of years, it provided an explanation of why we're here, and a way to live our lives. you could even compare it to science now.

also, to some extent, you can trace some laws back to the ten commandments made up thousands of years ago, back when there were no laws.

[TeaBag 0]

Still don't see how it can be so black and white. I can see your perspective however.

Could not agree more. What about Buddha, Hinduism, Muslim, Jewish and many more. The fact is this is too black and white, Not everyone believes in the same religion around the world.

When you think of it this way. Christianity can link to Muslim and so can Jewish. I don't really want to look for the detail but it does.

[Camail 1]

There is a reason evolution spread so rapidly through the world. It appeals to a sense of logic that religion does not, therefor many people believe it. For the people who believe in creationism, let them believe. I guarantee you that no intellectual is a creationist, and those are the people who really matter. Let the creationists hold on to an outdated theory, but science is about going forward, for all we know we could go full circle and end up proving god's existence, but evolution is a sign of progress, while creationism currently is a sign of extreme apathy.

But I think we have gone off on a tangent.

[silvio 0]

What I think about this topic in general....I will quote Bruce Wayne from Batman Forever , "it just raises too many questions."

[Torch 0]

Evolution. Things were made gradually over time because conditions were right. If god created Humans and animals and earth and plants in 7 days then why are there fossils of creatures that existed before this time and why would the universe be so unimaginably massive if earth is where life is? Why would the bible depict god as a vengeful smiter that ends everyone who stands agaist him without a second thought then in the new testament change his outlook completely differently? if he is god then how come there are religions killing each other in his name? I find it difficult to believe this god is around, science explains things far too well besides just saying "god did it" and we have physical evidence of evidence and that earth and life has been around for millions of years, not a few thousand. the only evidence of god is written in books made by many different people and translated into different languages, making each language different. Im sorry you believers, but i find hard evidence is much more convincing than faith and a book. (also no scientists or evolutionists have ever murdered anyone for believing in god, yet god has been the reason for murder and death on a grand scale.)

It doesn't have to be God OR Evolution, why do people always make it seem like it has to be one or the other with no middle ground? I believe in both and I haven't been hit by lightning(yet lol). You have to understand that the first books of the bible were written for the most part by Moses. Was he there when all that stuff happened? No, he wrote down the oral traditions of his people along with some help from God talking to him. I wouldn't be surprised if there were a few things that didn't happen EXACTLY they way it is depicted in the Bible. For example one can argue that God exists outside of time, therefore the whole 7 days thing is the best way the author could convey the meaning behind the creation story.

[Nket 16]

don't worry, you are very unlikely to be hit by lightning, and yes you can argue that god exists outside of time all you want, because we have no way to disprove you, but also you have no way of proving it, and did you just say the 7 days was the best way the author could convey the meaning? If you actually read the bible (I Have not) but there is no author, it is made up of different books, by different people, at different times. and is "supposedly" the direct word of god.. so if god was unable to convey the meaning properly then..

[Torch 0]

don't worry, you are very unlikely to be hit by lightning, and yes you can argue that god exists outside of time all you want, because we have no way to disprove you, but also you have no way of proving it, and did you just say the 7 days was the best way the author could convey the meaning? If you actually read the bible (I Have not) but there is no author, it is made up of different books, by different people, at different times. and is "supposedly" the direct word of god.. so if god was unable to convey the meaning properly then..

I have read the bible so excuse me for my slips when I assume things that I say are clear. When I say the author I mean the author of the book of Genesis (the book at the beginning with the creation story in it) who as I stated was Moses. The Bible also is the direct word of God, written down by humans....I have no doubt that God conveyed his meaning perfectly clear - my point is that there was so many places where human error could be introduced: The interpretation and writing style of each individual author who wrote down what God had told them, the countless translations of the text, the council that decided which books would be included in the new testament....the list goes on. Therefore it is more important to uncover the meaning behind the words. For example I could care less if God created the universe in 7 days or if he chose to evolve it over billions of years, that will not change the awe I feel every day when I look at this earth and know that He created it.

[silvio 0]

I have read the bible so excuse me for my slips when I assume things that I say are clear. When I say the author I mean the author of the book of Genesis (the book at the beginning with the creation story in it) who as I stated was Moses. The Bible also is the direct word of God, written down by humans....I have no doubt that God conveyed his meaning perfectly clear - my point is that there was so many places where human error could be introduced: The interpretation and writing style of each individual author who wrote down what God had told them, the countless translations of the text, the council that decided which books would be included in the new testament....the list goes on. Therefore it is more important to uncover the meaning behind the words. For example I could care less if God created the universe in 7 days or if he chose to evolve it over billions of years, that will not change the awe I feel every day when I look at this earth and know that He created it.

nice job reviving this topic, this is one that should have died.

[Rydawg 14]

I have read the bible so excuse me for my slips when I assume things that I say are clear. When I say the author I mean the author of the book of Genesis (the book at the beginning with the creation story in it) who as I stated was Moses. The Bible also is the direct word of God, written down by humans....I have no doubt that God conveyed his meaning perfectly clear - my point is that there was so many places where human error could be introduced: The interpretation and writing style of each individual author who wrote down what God had told them, the countless translations of the text, the council that decided which books would be included in the new testament....the list goes on. Therefore it is more important to uncover the meaning behind the words. For example I could care less if God created the universe in 7 days or if he chose to evolve it over billions of years, that will not change the awe I feel every day when I look at this earth and know that He created it.

Its still a book and an idea. No cold hard facts that what is said in the Bible is true.

I'll write a book about Unicorns and I'll tell everyone for years its true, soon enough they will belive me.....

[Mr Pain 0]

Moses wrote the Bible?!?!? since when? Like i said in my first post, plz look up the valley of gehenna and how it's related to hell.

[Torch 0]

@ Mr. Pain - let me say this for now the third time....Moses wrote the book of Genesis which is the first book in the bible. He also wrote a few of the other books but that's beside the point. as for the valley of gehenna, my understanding is that it is often referenced to in the bible, specifically by Jesus, as a place that resembles Hell, if Hell were to exist on Earth. if you are going at some other point I'd like to hear about it.

@Rydawg - and this is why it is called faith. If you could prove that God existed then He would cease to exist. I happen to believe that what is in the bible is true, if you choose to believe otherwise that is up to you and while I'll hope that one day you will change you mind I will still respect your personal beliefs

[Camail 1]

The bible is a limited avenue of discovery. There are specific things said then might be able to be taken in an infinite amount of ways, but there are only a finite amount of things to be interpreted. Science allows an infinite amount of possibilities with infinite interpretations. This is now a matter of being stagnant or progressive. If you view the bible as a truth that needs to be discovered than what you see as middle ground is of no value as you still stop the truth. Like I said before, I'm not saying god exists or doesn't, no one knows this, Moses didn't know, Jesus didn't know, no one knows. Science is the art of finding truth. I'd rather spend one million years in science and discovering that God exists rather than believing from day one.

[silvio 0]

I lol'd.

[Torch 0]

The bible is a limited avenue of discovery. There are specific things said then might be able to be taken in an infinite amount of ways, but there are only a finite amount of things to be interpreted. Science allows an infinite amount of possibilities with infinite interpretations. This is now a matter of being stagnant or progressive. If you view the bible as a truth that needs to be discovered than what you see as middle ground is of no value as you still stop the truth. Like I said before, I'm not saying god exists or doesn't, no one knows this, Moses didn't know, Jesus didn't know, no one knows. Science is the art of finding truth. I'd rather spend one million years in science and discovering that God exists rather than believing from day one.

that's a good point but I don't see my views as stopping the truth. I see the bible as the ultimate authority on truth and science as the authority on knowledge. there is a very fine distinction between truth and knowledge. with science one can determine if a statement is true or false, but the word truth implies more than just facts. truth implies a purpose or deeper meaning behind what we know to be factually accurate. Maybe i'm just mincing words and connotations but that's my take on it.

I lol'd.

ahaha that's freakin awesome

[Camail 1]

ultimate

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Ultimate authority would not be the best choice in words if you are trying to tell me why the bible does not limit thoughts.

Oh, and +1 for silvio even though I've seen it before.

Oh, and I definitely had something else in this post but it disappeared and I forgot what it was.....

[Torch 0]

Ultimate authority would not be the best choice in words if you are trying to tell me why the bible does not limit thoughts.

Oh, and +1 for silvio even though I've seen it before.

Oh, and I definitely had something else in this post but it disappeared and I forgot what it was.....

haha wow so did you read my post at all, or did you stop after the first sentence and a half? the entire point of my previous post, and most especially the sentence you are referring to, was that there is a distinction between the idea of truth and the idea of knowledge. Well anyways let me repeat myself and maybe you will get it this time. Science is the ULTIMATE authority on FACTS, however it is not so great on anything else. As humans we tend to postulate questions that can not be wholly answered by facts alone. If someone asked you why humans are on earth you could use science to show how the universe formed and how humans evolved, but you would not be answering the question in full. Even if you believe everything happened randomly and that the fact that we are here was an act of chance that is still a belief, you can't prove that. Science answers the "how?" of the universe but cannot answer the "why?". this is the difference between knowledge and truth.

edit - well that seems a bit aggressive in retrospect lol....I do not mean to offend but you did totally miss the point of my argument

[You suck and have no life 203]

Creationists Fail At Understanding:

*Transitional Forms

*Macro Evolution is Micro Evolution just over longer periods of time.

*Probability

*Phylogenetic Tree

*How wrong irreducible complexity is. One example, the bacterial flagellum.

[Mr Pain 0]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kF3L359yKjs...feature=related

i srsly lol'ed at this

[Nket 16]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kF3L359yKjs...feature=related

i srsly lol'ed at this

omg pain lol, he doesnt realize it also fits in gorillas hands as well which would more closely help the evolution point of view, also watching him slip a banana into his grip is just funny-gay.

[TeaBag 0]

YouSuckAndYouHaveNoLife, Creationist do fail... but why do you think all religious people are Creationists... Please watch this movie. This explains the difference, if you are religious or not please watch.

Science should be Methodical Materialism not Philosophical Materialism, one is a scientific view on material the other is a philosophical view. You cannot put God in a test tube, science cannot prove or disprove God. To use science to try and disprove God is wrong, we should use it explain the Natural World. There are many religious people who oppose the theory of creationists, science should be neutral to any beliefs. Yes I believe creationists are stupid and crazy.

Yes I am a Atheist, and I do have the view of Philosophical Materialism. However that is a Philosophical view and not a scientific one, and I will not use science as a tool to disprove God.

If you do what to watch more Sarah Palin, watch the Daily Show. Yes Sarah Palin beliefs in the Bible to the tee. I.E. Noah's Ark really happened!

[Camail 1]

The question of why insinuates that there must be a god. That is an assumption in every way when you ask why, because then there must be a motive. I read what you said, and it was all just little opinions to support the main idea that the first sentence states. I showed that you contradicted yourself in your own thesis. And to use teabag's post as a spring board, you can't use religion to disprove everything else. Science is not an object, its a process. Everything can be discovered with a form of science. I'm not saying we will ever know everything, but we advance in every way we can and to simply use an ancient culture's book to explain such a monumental question as to why we exist is setting us back. I'd be absolutely ecstatic if we discovered god, I was raised in a catholic church, but to leave such a finite amount of information unchecked leads to nothing. Hell, the reason there are so many christian religions is because there is such a small amount of information, people are forced to interpret the bible in different ways to give the sense of progression. I would never be able to just believe in something, that is the age old excuse people use to when they don't have a real answer. People as a race are starting to progress passed that.

[Nket 16]

camail fills his posts with fluffy big words to look smart!