Do You Believe In God?

[Torch 0]

The question of why insinuates that there is a possibility that there is a god. The answer depends on whether or not you believe there is a god. You could very well answer that there is no reason why something happened, and that would be assuming that there is no god. Why is merely a question that people have been asking for as long as anyone can remember, whether they believe in a higher power or not. The point I'm trying to make is that humanity as a whole poses these questions that have no "provable" answer, forcing everyone to believe something, even if your belief is that there is no motive behind the world. As to you showing that I "contradicted myself in my own thesis", you are once again not understanding what I meant. I am not trying to "limit" our scientific understanding or prohibit people from discovering new things and coming up with new ideas. You seem to be caught up in the belief that religion's goal is to make people suffocate their curiosity and blindly follow dogma, and this is simply not true. What I am saying, and what I think teabag was saying, is that science and religion should coexist with each other, not compete with each other. Just as scientific methods will never be able to prove the existence(or non-existence) of a higher power, just reading the Bible will never show me something as simple as 2+2=4 or as complicated as the fact that Carbon will form sp2 hybridized bonds in carbon nanotubes. Also, religion is not stagnant, as I feel you think it is. I can't talk about other religions, but in Christianity we call it a "walk with Christ" because we are constantly discovering new things about what our relationship with God means. As you pointed out yourself, Christianity is not limited to one strict set defined rules, it is constantly evolving.

One more quick comment - "I'd be ecstatic if we discovered god," - you do realize what you are saying here right? You harp on the fact that you feel I contradicted myself, but that statement is the epitome of contradiction. You can't "discover" god, not in a scientific way at least. You can either believe or not believe in a god, but as teabag put it so succinctly "You can't put God in a test tube."

[Camail 1]

Within the confines of current science you might not be able to discover god, but you have failed to address my statement about science being a process. It is the discovery of everything. Religion and science are not two separate realms of thought. Christianity is not evolving, its taking a set of words and re-arranging them. Evolving implies something new. I'm not going to be able to convince you of this though, because you don't want to be convinced. Oh, and discovering god is not a contradiction at all, you assumed such an enormous amount of information from the word god that you could not understand what I was saying. If you think that some thoughts are protected from others then I guess I'll save my time and just end this.

[silvio 0]

The real question is what happens when you die.I firmly believe that there is no heaven or hell but could be a reincarnation..The concept of a mind and soul is weird to me.I really want to believe but cant support by fact the existence of a soul.I believe there is such thing as a mind with that being created by brain activity.When brain activity ceases to function so does the mind and sub conscious ....everything.Example of what this could be like when you die is falling asleep and waking up what FELT like an instant later but really 8 hours or so has gone by but it still FELT like an instant.I consider that when you are not having any dream or anything and your brain activity is shifted to an idle or bare minimum while still letting your body function(blood circulation etc).

So my two theories are when you die your mind and everything cease and you are basically in what felt like those couple seconds of when you sleep and wake up 8hours later.That is what ceasing to exist feels like (cant explain the feeling really cause its like an instant since time goes on) in my opinion,that would be all she wrote.You would never know you died you would not be able to think about where you are or the fact you are dead anything.You cease to exist and life goes on without you everywhere else.

My second theory involves all of the above except a new mind is born due to developing brain activity(fetus in the womb type thing) and you basically reincarnated but you would never know since you are a completely new and different mind and the old one ceased to exist.I have alot of trouble with this theory... I guess you can consider a soul a pilot of a mind and for it to be reincarnation the said soul would have to exist and move on to a new mind and that in no way would be genuine or unique.We would have the same souls since the start of time recycling to new minds unless the population of new minds beats out existing souls then new souls would come to be born with a new mind.

This was very hard to put into words and explain as they are just theories that I have pondered for a very long time and this was my first attempt to put them in to words and try to explain...

[You suck and have no life 203]

When you die. A dandelion grows on top of you. Then the horse eats it and now you just reincarnated in to poop.

[silvio 0]

When you die. A dandelion grows on top of you. Then the horse eats it and now you just reincarnated in to poop.

great educated response.I put a lot of effort in to putting that idea in words so thanks for replying to it like a 10 year old.Not like it matters though because I still cant figure out who created or how that concept of living and dying (my last post) even came to be.This is why I hated this topic was because I have no answer or even good guess to who or what created the whole system of what happens when you die or are born with your mind.Too many unanswerable questions are a buzzkill.

[You suck and have no life 203]

great educated response.I put a lot of effort in to putting that idea in words so thanks for replying to it like a 10 year old.Not like it matters though because I still cant figure out who created or how that concept of living and dying (my last post) even came to be.This is why I hated this topic was because I have no answer or even good guess to who or what created the whole system of what happens when you die or are born with your mind.Too many unanswerable questions are a buzzkill.

My response is VERY educated and so am I. U herd thermodynamics?

[Oww My Nose 19]

My response is VERY educated and so am I. U herd [of]? thermodynamics?

sorry, had to emphasize a few things.

[You suck and have no life 203]

Done purposely, Mr. 0.77 Kdr

[Oww My Nose 19]

Done purposely, Mr. 0.77 Kdr

of course. jw, how does my kdr relate to ANYTHING that's been said in this whole topic?

[Nket 16]

I think (think) that when you die you are done, people have been brought back from being dead after minutes or even hours. which in its self, disproves heaven or hell, because you would be there, your soul would have left your body, making bringing the body back to life impossible.

[Mr Pain 0]

here's an answer that might annoy some ppl, you can't disprove an atheist until u prove god actually exists, and not just theoretically.

i know this one put the hurt on some ppl.

PS: don't even bother responding, i'm jus doin this 4 fun.

[Torch 0]

Within the confines of current science you might not be able to discover god, but you have failed to address my statement about science being a process. It is the discovery of everything. Religion and science are not two separate realms of thought. Christianity is not evolving, its taking a set of words and re-arranging them. Evolving implies something new. I'm not going to be able to convince you of this though, because you don't want to be convinced. Oh, and discovering god is not a contradiction at all, you assumed such an enormous amount of information from the word god that you could not understand what I was saying. If you think that some thoughts are protected from others then I guess I'll save my time and just end this.

obviously we are a a disconnect, because what I want to convey is apparently not coming through in the words that I write, and you are not making much sense to me either.

1) "Religion are science are not two separate realms of thought" - You are both right and wrong with this statement. Science seeks to discover and explain the mechanics of the universe, and religious beliefs(or lack thereof) seeks to provide an explanation for the meaning(or lack of meaning) behind these mechanics. So they are intertwined but definitely distinct from one another.

2) "you assumed such an enormous amount of information from the word god that you could not understand what I was saying" - You have the same problem with your view of science. From what I gather in your posts, you feel that science is a process by which every question that could possibly be asked by anyone can be answered. In this way you are as blinded as you accuse me of being. If you truly felt that no thoughts should be protected from others then you would have to admit that the thought that the scientific process does not hold all the answers is also a valid thought/argument. You have put your faith and belief in science. You can not prove that the "discovery of everything" is possible through the process of science, yet you write as if this statement is a fact. In this way science is your religion. You believe it to be above questioning because it is the process of questioning things.

3) "Evolving implies something new" - When Newton first put forth the idea of gravity, you would call that a great achievement/ evolution in science, right? Yet gravity was there all along...it wasn't anything new, Newton just rearranged the facts he knew into a more unified theory. Ideas are always new, whether they come from words written thousands of years ago or from something scientists discovered yesterday.

4) "you don't want to be convinced" - oh man i lol'd at this one big time. Let me give you a brief background on myself. I'm a Materials Science and Engineering major at Carnegie Mellon University, which has one of the top 10 undergraduate engineering programs in the world. Science is my passion, and I'm constantly desiring to learn new things. This summer I'll be doing research on carbon nanotubes, which supposedly could not possibly exist until they were discovered 30 or so years ago. This debate between what I want to do for a living and what I believe in is central to my life. oh and I just disproved what you were trying to convince me of in the first place, my bad.

[silvio 0]

Can Jesus bowl?The answer is YES

[Mr Pain 0]

this movie was sick î