Tf2 Stats Reset

[Mana 3,867]

Hi all,

With the troubles that we have with gameme keeping track of kills, perhaps it's a time to start over. Which would mean new stats would be tracked more accurately.

What do you guys think?

Also check this thread for more context:

[Based 189]

NOOOOOO, NOT MA STATS!

But...... It's hard to decide to be honest

Some people care about their stats, some people don't, but I'm right in between

[Mana 3,867]

NOOOOOO, NOT MA STATS!

But...... It's hard to decide to be honest

Some people care about their stats, some people don't, but I'm right in between

But there would be the possibility of much better tracking. I think so at least.

If not we could always revert to an older version (stats backup) and see what can be done to improve the situation from there.

[EggShell 1,102]

But there would be the possibility of much better tracking. I think so at least.

I think that's what I'd base my decision on. If the powers that be really believe this would iron out some of the issues, then I'm all for it. If it's just a shot in the dark, I don't know if I'd be as willing to support it.

[Se7en 10,762]

Sure, why not

[Based 189]

But there would be the possibility of much better tracking. I think so at least.

If not we could always revert to an older version (stats backup) and see what can be done to improve the situation from there.

True.... If this is the case then I guess I'm fine with it, but we should add a message in our servers like the ones saying that say Lotus is recruiting to let everybody know about it because not everyone keeps up with the fourms

[Vaginal Hubris 2,659]

I really like this idea.

[Parisienne 4]

Can you explain on what is actually wrong with the stats? I have not seen any problem. Sure they are slow to update, but generally all my kills and weapon stats do get updated.

Also by better stats recording what do you mean? What new things will they record?

[No longer a Sexy King:^) 5,592]

What about the stats whores, like me? lol

[- Oli - 1,121]

Well as mana said, if the stats aren't tracking as accurately then we can revert it to an older file of the backup. Just means we can try out resetting and improving them and if people don't like it then we can go back to the old stats?

Dayum, will have to re-eat many sandviches

p.s. if it didn't make sense, I'm all for it

[Wrecking Balls 2,507]

Sure,I`m in. I still carry the weight from my beginner days on Lotus and TF2(like my kpd).

[Vaginal Hubris 2,659]

Sure,I`m in. I still carry the weight from my beginner days on Lotus and TF2(like my kpd).

Me too...although I don't know if I am much better now.

[jayserp 1,911]

Nuke it boss.

[ultr@BUNNY 8,565]

[- Oli - 1,121]

Sure,I`m in. I still carry the weight from my beginner days on Lotus and TF2(like my kpd).

Same.

Maybe we should've used this and then it would've saved us the trouble

[Possum 10,776]

Cactus is gonna go ape. But yeah, go for a reset.

[Nano 7,892]

Can you explain on what is actually wrong with the stats? I have not seen any problem. Sure they are slow to update, but generally all my kills and weapon stats do get updated.

Also by better stats recording what do you mean? What new things will they record?

My experience (and that of many many others) has not been the same as yours. I can play for 4,5, or even 6 hours and the stats will register 14 kills and 6 deaths.

Also in-game stats (rank,place) stopped working as well. Not just delayed, but stopped altogether.

[+Cactus 4,948]

Cactus is gonna go ape. But yeah, go for a reset.

Actually, I advocated for a stats reset quite some time ago, back when I was #2 on x24 instead of #5:

Actually, maybe it's time for a stat reset. A reset would allow people who are newer to Lotus have a shot at getting to a decent rank, encouraging them to play on Lotus servers more and hopefully bringing new recruits/donators. As it stands, there is only 1 player in the top 20 with fewer than 10 days play time, so it's pretty hard for things to get shaken up.

Were there to be a reset on the x24, TryHard/Hackusation would probably still end up #1, but the rest of the rankings would be up in the air, which could be kind of cool.

Give someone else a chance to get to the top without needing ~30 days of playtime to do so.

Adding another quote from the February discussion:

Thought it would be interesting to have the top 5 for x24 and x33 side-by-side. I thought that new players would have a hard time reaching the top of x24 (top)...I had never looked at x33 (bottom).

Click picture for a clearer view.

[Nano 7,892]

Actually, I advocated for a stats reset quite some time ago, back when I was #2 on x24 instead of #5:

Give someone else a chance to get to the top without needing ~30 days of playtime to do so.

Awesome Attitude .

Hackusation has no right to be as good as he is. It's not human.

[Marcel the Shell 403]

Updated 32X details has Tomo with 79 days played and 806K points. These are the peeps that need consulting before this is done. It would be bad news if we saw these epic players leave Lotus servers because their stats had been wiped. Really need to consider the hard work these people have put in to get to their rank. No offense, but 24x has nothing on 32x, so those are the peeps IMO that need to be consulted.

[Nano 7,892]

Maybe we could have regular (annual?) stat resets with a historical posting of the top "10/50/100/500/whatever" That might be a nice balance between giving opportunities to newcomers and giving those who put a lot of time/effort/skill into their ranking the status they earned.

There are few competitions in life that don't end at some point and start fresh for the sake of fairness.

This way the top people are still top, for that time period.

(This is just my random thoughts, not anything that has been discussed by the Lotus leadership).

[jayserp 1,911]

Updated 32X details has Tomo with 79 days played and 806K points. These are the peeps that need consulting before this is done. It would be bad news if we saw these epic players leave Lotus servers because their stats had been wiped. Really need to consider the hard work these people have put in to get to their rank. No offense, but 24x has nothing on 32x, so those are the peeps IMO that need to be consulted.

If the stats are broken, and people can play for 4 hours at a time and only register a handful of kills and deaths, then those people at the top will always remain at the top. Kind of defeats the purpose of stats, aye?

Maybe we could have regular (annual?) stat resets with a historical posting of the top "10/50/100/500/whatever" That might be a nice balance between giving opportunities to newcomers and giving those who put a lot of time/effort/skill into their ranking the status they earned.

There are few competitions in life that don't end at some point and start fresh for the sake of fairness.

This way the top people are still top, for that time period.

(This is just my random thoughts, not anything that has been discussed by the Lotus leadership).

That sounds like a plan, but in addition to top 10/50.. of all time, we could do a year by year 1st place listing?

That's if TF2 does indeed last another few years of course.

Edited October 1, 2012 by jayserp

[Marcel the Shell 403]

I hear ya Jayserp, but this is a recent problem that was just fixed and now seems to have resurfaced:

And I mean top 100 is essentially impossible to crack on 32x due to everyone's activity at that level anyway. Historical data would be nice, but I still think we need to consult these players to see if they would leave lotus servers if their stats were wiped.

[jayserp 1,911]

In which case, I think we should go back to the reasoning behind this poll: stats are broken and a reset is needed to fix it.

I voted yes because it will fix it, and I prefer working stats.

If we want to keep existing stats, we'll need to ask Mana to see if he can indeed fix it without wiping or restoring the database, and whether such a bug can be prevented from occurring in the future.

[Nano 7,892]

I hear ya Jayserp, but this is a recent problem that was just fixed and now seems to have resurfaced:

http://forums.gaming...h-gameme-stats/

And I mean top 100 is essentially impossible to crack on 32x due to everyone's activity at that level anyway. Historical data would be nice, but I still think we need to consult these players to see if they would leave lotus servers if their stats were wiped.

I think you make a good point. I'll reach out to the top 10 on both sets of servers.