primarygunner 1 #51 Posted June 9, 2013 thats not the point the point is I got banned for avoiding a ban that should have never taken place y should i be punished with lost time because an admi dosen't like me as far as i'm concerned i pay my ban time the last time he banned me for no reason Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DEATH STRIKE 573 #52 Posted June 9, 2013 . thats not the point the point is I got banned for avoiding a ban that should have never taken place y should i be punished with lost time because an admi dosen't like me as far as i'm concerned i pay my ban time the last time he banned me for no reason Were is your proof I don't like you? Demo please. Unless you know me then in that case you can speak for me. But YOU don't. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ruby 9,039 #53 Posted June 9, 2013 thats not the point the point is I got banned for avoiding a ban that should have never taken place y should i be punished with lost time because an admi dosen't like me as far as i'm concerned i pay my ban time the last time he banned me for no reason Look at it this way. You are being taken into court for something you didn't do. You can make it easy on yourself and not resist arrest, get taken in, defend yourself and walk as a free man with an apology. Or you can punch the cops, run away, steal a car, drive across country and get involved in shootings just to have a very very bad time when you try to prove you're actually innocent at the court. same here. Thats what I thought too, however, the others are able to play on all Lotus Servers. Unless of course the unbann wasn't simultaneous, in which case, it's gonna be a long wait.Probably wasn't simultaneous. If you can't connect after 24 hours contact a staff member again. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
primarygunner 1 #54 Posted June 9, 2013 so u dont deny the fact the u have ban me before with out any proof.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DEATH STRIKE 573 #55 Posted June 9, 2013 In fact I have no problems with 99% of anyone I play with ....hell make that 100%. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
primarygunner 1 #56 Posted June 9, 2013 so your say despite me not breaking any laws for resisiting arrest i get life in jail? how dose that make any since! what is you'r problem with me death you have yet to answer my orangial question. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Adolf Critler 4 #57 Posted June 9, 2013 I appreciate your efforts in sorting this out. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
primarygunner 1 #58 Posted June 9, 2013 also i cased no trubble on my alt account i was even on Hazmats team multiple time who mutes me quickly and didn't bother him i was just playing the game like i wanted to do this whole time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ruby 9,039 #59 Posted June 9, 2013 so your say despite me not breaking any laws for resisiting arrest i get life in jail? how dose that make any since! what is you'r problem with me death you have yet to answer my orangial question. Was it that hard to wait? others did, why didn't you? This is still an open topic in admin lounge. I suggest you go take a nap, come back tomorrow and see what we've decided. All further arguing can just lead to shit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
primarygunner 1 #60 Posted June 9, 2013 vary well I will leave it at this thank you every one for your time 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Dr. Obvious 14,606 #61 Posted June 9, 2013 Could... could someone please lock this soap opera now? Pretty please? 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vaginal Hubris 2,659 #62 Posted June 9, 2013 Wow. This turned into a shit show really fast. I like how everyone is playing innocent like NOTHING has been going on. For the past week or so, Critler and Infinity and sometimes Dr. Orbit (while playing a very minor role, he continues to cheerlead) have been engaging in very aggressive behavior and just constant trolling (although admittedly they have moved to just passive aggressive inside joke at any thing I say or do). Personally, I have never had any real problems with anyone on East Coast (not sure what Nocturne is talking about, but okay?). This being said I have never had an issue with Infinity or Critler before this...casual joking but everyone does it. However, their "joking" has gone beyond being funny or cute or etc. I have politely and not so politely asked them to quit it because it is EXCESSIVE. Neither of these approaches have worked, but have instead resulted in further trolling and just being passive aggressive. Even when I don't say anything and play the game, they chose to continue their hijinks. Also, and I really SHOULDN'T have to address this, but Death and I are not the same person. Clearly, you haven't been playing enough on the server to hear that we have VERY distinctive voices. And I am pretty sure a simple IP check would solve this issue considering we live thousands of miles apart. Death has been witness to these things as well as other people on the servers (if you would like me to have some of them speak with another staff or admin, then just let me know). They not only were disrespecting me, but then began disrespecting Death as well. Considering other previous cases of admin disrespect land more serious penalties, I would not expect the resistance to Death's actions (i.e. the temp bans places). While checking the chat logs will be pointless because most of what occurred happened over voice chat, I welcome any other admins and staff to come play with us. Perhaps you will see the behavior described or maybe they will decide to be grown up adults and just play the game. So I will add my own demos...one recorded by me under my own account and one under my husbands this was recorded earlier this week (I believe that this was around the time of the first round of bans). This first demo was recorded by me under my account. Now, just so I will not be accused of "cherry picking" (see around 17:28 for the reference), this is all 22 minutes after much of said behavior took place (because I had to figure out how to record a demo). While it is very boring (and kudos to you if you can make it through all 22 minutes and the boring conversation), let me provide some context. Earlier in the night, I had been playing medic and I had said something about not trusting someone with kritz. This was not said in a mean way, but I don't usually krit pryos. Again it was just some random comment. I guess that is neither here nor there. However, Critler and Infinity go on and on for 22 minutes passive aggressively trolling me about it. I am not sure why my voice wasn't recorded on the demo, but around 13:34 I had asked them to stop and they go on about how I am the only one with the problem with this and that the server agrees with them. However, they comment many times about how I am making a demo and how "the ban hammer is going to come down" and this is their "last game on Lotus". While this is circumstantial evidence, it does show that something did occur earlier in the evening. This is something they had been warned about and they clearly knew that something they were doing might not look too good depending on what was recorded and when. This second demo was created after I had left the server (you can see my husband's account joining the server before I leave on my demo). Of course, again, there is a lot of conversation that is random and not related to this. But they go on to call me a cunt and how my name is "offensive" (because I forgot that the word "vagina" is a bad, naughty word). And then go on to mock Lotus and the entire admining process...little jabs here and there, but again, it supports that an "interaction" had occurred. They were aware of their behavior and they continued (albeit passive aggressively and kudos because it is harder to ban for that). I would be more than happy to just let this be water under the bridge, but I really don't appreciate people trying to throw Death under the bus on this. First of all, this wasn't the first instance. He had warned them before. Other people besides myself had complained on occasions besides this current one. So I appreciate everyone's opinion being thrown in, but if you weren't playing on the server, you really don't know what happened regardless if you believe my account or theirs. Death does a good job dealing with East Coast and I feel like he is fair. Sometimes he is too tolerant, but he generally keeps the peace in an otherwise crazy server (again, unless you have played there, you don't really know how it is). I guess if a staff or admin has any more questions would like to speak with me regarding this issue since I have spoken to Death and he has been there to witness their behavior on multiple occasions, then I would be happy to discuss. Really regardless whether they are banned or not, I am going to keep playing there. If they are there, I am just going to start recording demos. Even it kills my computer, then you know, I have all the proof and the staff and admins can watch hours of video at their leisure to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt. If the behavior stops, then it still achieves what I wanted which was for all of this to stop. However since my previous attempts to extend an olive branch to the other parties involved have fallen on deaf ears, then what else am I do to? I asked them to stop. I talked to Death (the admin of the server). He witnessed the behavior on multiple occasions and it continued. Again, I will just start demoing every time I play to avoid shit storms like this. Clearly, this was my fault for not posting directly to the forums and letting the Lotus community to weigh in on it all. Death was just doing his job based on a player complaint and from what he witnessed, so no need to throw someone under the bus for my mistake. P.S. Let me know if the demo links don't work or you need it in a different format or whatever. I will be happy to provide. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reisen 1,973 #63 Posted June 9, 2013 What I get from this all: Don't mess with Hubris or Deathstrike. Especially not with Hubris, she lives in Canada. Shit goes down there, bears pooping on your lawn, she has a resistance against trolling in any way, no mercy. minor trolling or not doesn't matter anymore. xD Jokes aside, if you know you might could offend someone with your pranks, don't do it. especially not with admins. That entire "I cover you in your crimes and you cover me" thing doesn't work on TF2, especially not on our servers. We'll find out what we need to find out. Hubris might not be in the best all the time and I can't judge over what Deathstrike does because I don't know him. But 99% of the time our admins do the right thing. The staff doesn't pick admins that will abuse their powers and thus the chance of your Accusation to be true is pretty low. Both sides have arguments and evidence, going to pick over who is right is not my job anyway. I just needed to point out that we don't have admins like on UberPirates (UP), that believes the word of an 11 years old crybaby and puts unjustified bans on innocent people because the kid tells them lies. (True Story there, it was me who got banned from there for like 1 year xD) 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
primarygunner 1 #64 Posted June 9, 2013 Oh good videos so maybe now some one can explain to me what I have done wrong witch is the only thing I've been asking this hole time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
castor_troy 0 #65 Posted June 9, 2013 I tried to understand what this is all about so I watched the demos. Still no change at all. Well I for my part like to trash talk. You shouldn't take it too serious... Not much love in here </3 What happened to you guys... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nano 7,892 #66 Posted June 9, 2013 Another staff member is welcome to review the new information if they wish. I'm locking this in the meantime. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
