Looking for middleman

[LjubicaZubica 5,610]

nvm for now.

Edited January 20, 2014 by LjubicaZubica

[Ruby 9,039]

I have no problem holding the hat or whatever you wanna sell. However if someone here is marked as trusted on SteamRep, it'd be best if they did it.

[LjubicaZubica 5,610]

Thank you Darwin, but I just removed him. it was too suspicious. I talked to Alex, he agrees with me.

Guy was in such a hurry to overpay a hat that it screamed scammer.

 

Phew, this is more stressful than I thought it would be.

 

Any advice on PayPal - TF2 item transaction is more than welcome.

[Reisen 1,973]

- Screenshots

- Middleman

- Evidence whatsoever

 

And most important: check the user's profile. If it's someone who keeps his profile private or is WAY too new to steam, just don't do it. If someone with like 1000 hours of TF2 and something to lose wants to pay with paypal, it's a lot more trustable than with some random guy who's account is like 15 days old. I hope Steam will IP ban Accounts someday. It sucks that you can make an alt account to rip off people and then go back to your normal account as if nothing happened.

[Minia 1,211]

Rule No.1 Never go first unless a trusted SourceOP seller

Rule No.2 Try and avoid PayPal, paypal clearly states it is not responsible for scams/sharks and it runs like steam support, if you traded it is to late as someone else could have traded the item legitly and having paid the reasonable price. I'd try and go with WesternUnion if you can.

Rule No.3 Make sure the buyer has the following, clean reputation on steamrep, over 1 year activity on steam, more than 300 hours of tf2 and has no previous ban records on outpost, sourceOP or steam.

 

As Elise said you should try and record the entire conversation of the deal being made as this will provide vital proof if scammed or sharked.

Edited January 20, 2014 by Minia

[Wrecking Balls 2,507]

i would like to help you but I don't have much experience in trading. is better if you find someone with good Steam Rep.

[Barbaro 466]

Thank you Darwin, but I just removed him. it was too suspicious. I talked to Alex, he agrees with me.

Guy was in such a hurry to overpay a hat that it screamed scammer.

 

Phew, this is more stressful than I thought it would be.

 

Any advice on PayPal - TF2 item transaction is more than welcome.

http://forums.steamrep.com/threads/beginners-guide-to-trading-selling.677

http://forums.steamrep.com/threads/what-constitutes-reputation.12391

http://forums.steamrep.com/threads/paypal-cash-trading-best-practices.683

http://forums.steamrep.com/threads/background-check-what-you-should-see-when-you-look-at-someones-steam-profile.12972

http://virtualfaqs.com/forum/paypal/574-paypal-virtual-faq.html

 

Those should contain all the information one needs to know in order to do a minimal-risk transaction. Unfortunately, stress and risk are hand in hand in this business.

[LjubicaZubica 5,610]

Thank you a lot!

 

http://forums.steamrep.com/threads/beginners-guide-to-trading-selling.677

http://forums.steamrep.com/threads/what-constitutes-reputation.12391

http://forums.steamrep.com/threads/paypal-cash-trading-best-practices.683

http://forums.steamrep.com/threads/background-check-what-you-should-see-when-you-look-at-someones-steam-profile.12972

http://virtualfaqs.com/forum/paypal/574-paypal-virtual-faq.html

 

Those should contain all the information one needs to know in order to do a minimal-risk transaction. Unfortunately, stress and risk are hand in hand in this business.

 

These links are very handy, thank you!

 

Now I realized I have big problem if I´m going via PayPal. If I understand good, buyer can ask for money back any time?

So basically he pays, I give him hat, he asks money back and voila I have been scamed.

Is there any way to avoid this via PayPal?!

[Minia 1,211]

Thank you a lot!

 

 

These links are very handy, thank you!

 

Now I realized I have big problem if I´m going via PayPal. If I understand good, buyer can ask for money back any time?

So basically he pays, I give him hat, he asks money back and voila I have been scamed.

Is there any way to avoid this via PayPal?!

You are able to force the buyer buying your items to agree not to scam or chargeback by making them agree to leave a message with the money or items they send to you which would imply that they agreed with you not to chargeback or ask for a refund and that a trade is final.

 

A message like this would force paypal and the law to take action: "I agree that I am buying virtual items with real, life money for the game of team fortress 2 published and developed by Valve from (Your steam profile page or paypal email) and that under no circumstance am I allowed to chargeback or request a refund and that I understand that a trade is final."

 

This will prevent most scam attempts and will force Paypal to take action if this trade alters from what the users have agreed to. Although there has been some very rare cases in the past where this has not prevented a scam entirely which is why I don't recommend Paypal unless it is with a secure system!

Edited January 20, 2014 by Minia

[Wrecking Balls 2,507]

Ask him to send you the money via Western Union or money gram. Even a bank transfer.

[fever 9,884]

A message like this would force paypal and the law to take action: "I agree that I am buying virtual items with real, life money for the game of team fortress 2 published and developed by Valve from (Your steam profile page or paypal email) and that under no circumstance am I allowed to chargeback or request a refund and that I understand that a trade is final."

 

When we talked about this recently Ljubica, I mentioned you could add some legal sounding notes on the bottom of the PP transfer and this is exactly the sort of message I meant.  Thanks for this Minia.  It should help with any disputes and also put off anyone trying anything stupid.

[Barbaro 466]

Thank you a lot!

 

 

These links are very handy, thank you!

 

Now I realized I have big problem if I´m going via PayPal. If I understand good, buyer can ask for money back any time?

So basically he pays, I give him hat, he asks money back and voila I have been scamed.

Is there any way to avoid this via PayPal?!

Yes there is, via MoneyPak. Have the buyer visit any Wal-Mart and obtain a MoneyPak that says for PayPal. This card can be loaded with any amount and then used on PayPal. If there's a dispute later, the person eating the loss is the company, not you.

 

However, that doesn't remove the risk of losing money, period. There is no 100% surefire way to not lose funds, every trade you do online has a risk involved in it. The only way to acquire funds and disregard scammers, is to sell your item via the Steam Market. Steam handles the problems, should any arise.

 

PayPal does not wish to be used for trading and will not hesitate to shut you down if they find out about it. It's one of those things that 'we don't talk about' round here with them.

~~~

To those suggesting legal notes aka warnings, PayPal has no obligation to honor them or bind them as per the updated User Agreement that 'intangible goods' are NOT allowed to be sold/bought on their service. 99.9% of the time, if there is a problem, the buyer will always get their money back.

 

Additionally, sending the money via Friends/Family...and putting a note about a payment or anything virtual goods related, automatically flags the transaction for a review. If PayPal chooses to take action on it, you could wind up with a negative balance due to their 'cut', as many traders try to use this method as a way to make chargebacks nearly impossible.

 

Sending it via Payments such as Goods/Services, the primary option, has a fee and if the seller does not include things such as a tracking number, then the payment will default if the buyer claims the item was not received. A lot of banks ask for tracking numbers and signatures, these things being absent make life very difficult for PayPal.

 

http://dota2traders.com/forum/thread/to-paypal-chargeback-limitations.90434/

https://www.paypal.com/webapps/mpp/security/chargeback-faq

https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=xpt/seller/ChargebackRisk-outside

https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/security/chargeback-guide

[LjubicaZubica 5,610]

Yes there is, via MoneyPak. Have the buyer visit any Wal-Mart and obtain a MoneyPak that says for PayPal. This card can be loaded with any amount and then used on PayPal. If there's a dispute later, the person eating the loss is the company, not you.

 

However, that doesn't remove the risk of losing money, period. There is no 100% surefire way to not lose funds, every trade you do online has a risk involved in it. The only way to acquire funds and disregard scammers, is to sell your item via the Steam Market. Steam handles the problems, should any arise.

 

PayPal does not wish to be used for trading and will not hesitate to shut you down if they find out about it. It's one of those things that 'we don't talk about' round here with them.

~~~

To those suggesting legal notes aka warnings, PayPal has no obligation to honor them or bind them as per the updated User Agreement that 'intangible goods' are NOT allowed to be sold/bought on their service. 99.9% of the time, if there is a problem, the buyer will always get their money back.

 

Additionally, sending the money via Friends/Family...and putting a note about a payment or anything virtual goods related, automatically flags the transaction for a review. If PayPal chooses to take action on it, you could wind up with a negative balance due to their 'cut', as many traders try to use this method as a way to make chargebacks nearly impossible.

 

Sending it via Payments such as Goods/Services, the primary option, has a fee and if the seller does not include things such as a tracking number, then the payment will default if the buyer claims the item was not received. A lot of banks ask for tracking numbers and signatures, these things being absent make life very difficult for PayPal.

 

http://dota2traders.com/forum/thread/to-paypal-chargeback-limitations.90434/

https://www.paypal.com/webapps/mpp/security/chargeback-faq

https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=xpt/seller/ChargebackRisk-outside

https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/security/chargeback-guide

 

Thank you so so SO much for all this! Definitely I won´t go via PayPal after reading this. 

I was suspicious how he is offering even more and wants to do it quickly and is in hurry... (when he said he is in hurry, that was my alarm to call it off). Now I´m 100% sure I would have trouble getting that money. 

 

I would sell it via Steam market, but bloody hat is worth too much, so I can´t sell it there. And what should I do with so much money on Steam... x)

Think I will check Western Union. They take pretty big fee, but it is safer. Thank you again!

[Minia 1,211]

Additionally, sending the money via Friends/Family...and putting a note about a payment or anything virtual goods related, automatically flags the transaction for a review. If PayPal chooses to take action on it, you could wind up with a negative balance due to their 'cut', as many traders try to use this method as a way to make chargebacks nearly impossible.

 

^^^

 

Thankfully in the the UK this is not Paypal's job to "review" these trades and the fact they would ignore the personal agreements would make their actions illegal.

 

Also please use the correct term of "trades involving virtual items" as a "trade" are any goods exchanged between 2 or more individuals or organisations. Including virtual items

 

Thank you so so SO much for all this! Definitely I won´t go via PayPal after reading this. 

I was suspicious how he is offering even more and wants to do it quickly and is in hurry... (when he said he is in hurry, that was my alarm to call it off). Now I´m 100% sure I would have trouble getting that money. 

 

I would sell it via Steam market, but bloody hat is worth too much, so I can´t sell it there. And what should I do with so much money on Steam... x)

Think I will check Western Union. They take pretty big fee, but it is safer. Thank you again!

Paypal still is a secure to move money around it's just there're too many gapholes for virtual item trading, I've done many paypal trades and all have been 100% successful but to sell an unusual as popular as yours, I suggest Western Union or as I personally recommended make the buyer exchange his money into buds using a service such as tf2shop.net.

Edited January 21, 2014 by Minia

[fever 9,884]

+1 for the buds approach IMO

[Wrecking Balls 2,507]

You should check with Death Strike.

[Minia 1,211]

You should check with Death Strike.

I checked Death Strike and most items in his backpack are just found by himself from being on steam for so long and he has no sourceOP page nor does he have any special reputation on steamrep.

 

He is a simple merchant, I doubt if someone makes a serious paypal offer on Ljubi's item they will accept to middleman with him, these days players want at least a page of rep on sourceOP or want the middleman to be listed on steamrep.

[LjubicaZubica 5,610]

Additionally, sending the money via Friends/Family...and putting a note about a payment or anything virtual goods related, automatically flags the transaction for a review. If PayPal chooses to take action on it, you could wind up with a negative balance due to their 'cut', as many traders try to use this method as a way to make chargebacks nearly impossible.

 

^^^

 

Thankfully in the the UK this is not Paypal's job to "review" these trades and the fact they would ignore the personal agreements would make their actions illegal.

 

Also please use the correct term of "trades involving virtual items" as a "trade" are any goods exchanged between 2 or more individuals or organisations. Including virtual items

Paypal still is a secure to move money around it's just there're too many gapholes for virtual item trading, I've done many paypal trades and all have been 100% successful but to sell an unusual as popular as yours, I suggest Western Union or as I personally recommended make the buyer exchange his money into buds using a service such as tf2shop.net.

 

I decided to go via Western Union. It is higher fee, but much safer and no one can ask money back. I got 2 offers for PayPal, those offers were so fishy that I had to say no. I bet in my lil finger they would do that shit with chargeback.

In the end if I don´t get serious offer, I´ll just keep hat an be fansy. This is so much stress. And that is reason why I don´t wanna bug with buds. That would mean even more money transactions and dealing with even more traders  

 

You should check with Death Strike.

 

Our Death Strike? 

Will ask him.

[Minia 1,211]

In the end if I don´t get serious offer, I´ll just keep hat an be fansy. This is so much stress. And that is reason why I don´t wanna bug with buds. That would mean even more money transactions and dealing with even more traders 

 

There are many secure ways of turning buds into cash, once again you could use TF2Shop.net or you are able to add common budvcash traders such as the retired admin of outpost Jon who will buy your buds for cash on paypal.

Edited January 21, 2014 by Minia

[LjubicaZubica 5,610]

There are many secure ways of turning buds into cash, once again you could use TF2Shop.net or you are able to add common budvcash traders such as the retired admin of outpost Jon who will buy your buds for cash on paypal.

 

What is this TF2Shop :/ 

I checked video there, but it shows how to buy stuff, not how to sell.

 

Getting overload with this.

[Se7en 10,762]

What is this TF2Shop :/ I checked video there, but it shows how to buy stuff, not how to sell. Getting overload with this.

How much?

[Asjo 90]

I would sell it via Steam market, but bloody hat is worth too much, so I can´t sell it there. And what should I do with so much money on Steam... x)

Think I will check Western Union. They take pretty big fee, but it is safer. Thank you again!

 

Assuming an average of four maps per tour:

 

65 tours x 4 x 0,69 Euro =

 

179 Euro

 

How much money is this hat worth?

 

I'm surprised that no one in the midst of all this has mentioned which hat we are talking about. Maybe Ljub could find a trusty buying about the forum members

[LjubicaZubica 5,610]

I don´t know how to use that TF2 shop. Minia said they changed their system and I can´t sell it there. Damn. Wonder how much would they offer... At this point I just want to sell it.

 

...

Edited January 21, 2014 by LjubicaZubica

[Minia 1,211]

I don´t know how to use that TF2 shop. Minia said they changed their system and I can´t sell it there. Damn. Wonder how much would they offer... At this point I just want to sell it.

To be able to sell the hat it looks to me like you now have to apply with the major help of a reputation system such as SourceOP which in this case is out of the question since you are not a major cash trader, you simply wish to cash out one hat.

 

As for SourceOP despite it being a great reputation website to buy or sell items through Paypal your choice of not using Paypal due to the risks puts SourceOP like TF2Shop.net, out of the question.

 

For now, I think you will have to do as you told me and will have to wait for a viable buyer to come along and purchase your hat using the secure system of your choice which is Western Union as I originally suggested Or go along some quickbuyers and quicksell your unusual for buds to a well reputated and verified user and then exchange your buds to cash.

 

Of course you are still able to come back to SourceOP if you choose so to be able to sell your unusual through Paypal to reputated and verified users, make sure that if you use SourceOP the buyer has a public steam profile and has a reasonable amount of cash trades. Also, many users try and act as if they are a SourceOP user and will impersonate all sorts of people such as Kayann, Katniss, Strife etc... Make sure that their profiles steamID64 matches their steamID64 shown on their SourceOP account.

 

Good luck out there in the field of trading!

 

P.S ~The situation you are in right now is exactly why I quite unusual trading 

Edited January 21, 2014 by Minia

[Se7en 10,762]

How much?