Scout Update Info

[h3gi 5]

Also, I hear it only protects you from bullets, not projectiles like rockets. So level 3 sentries will still be about as hard to deal with.

What's stopping you from going up to the sentry and blasting it point blank or batting it to death? You know, besides those pyros, wrenches, and stickies.

[You suck and have no life 203]

There is always going to be pros/cons and balance. They are never going to make any char too good. Dont get so excited that you are going to crap your pants.

[+Henry Spencer 117]

Classes with the ability to ascend rapidly (Soldiers, Demomen, and Scouts using the new scattergun unlockable )

Triple jump confirmed.

[Repoman 0]

The new Egypt map sounds really neato.

[Plasma Waffle 0]

Omfg Egypt looks awesome

[Rydawg 14]

Hey Mana, these new maps ( minus the arena one) will all go on the stock servers right ?

[Nket 16]

Classes with the ability to ascend rapidly (Soldiers, Demomen, and Scouts using the new scattergun unlockable )

Triple jump confirmed.

No not triple jump. if you had the gun and the bat unlocks both equipped and pressed space bar more than once your scout would explode. Most likely the alt fire will push you back, hence shooting it at the ground while jumping will launch you like a soldier.

[Plasma Waffle 0]

So is the update coming on Tuesday?

[+Henry Spencer 117]

No not triple jump. if you had the gun and the bat unlocks both equipped and pressed space bar more than once your scout would explode. Most likely the alt fire will push you back, hence shooting it at the ground while jumping will launch you like a soldier.

Oh, that actually makes a lot more sense. I wonder how high he'll be able to go...

[Repoman 0]

I sense flying scouts on maps when the update comes out.

[h3gi 5]

Huh. So maybe with it, the Sandman's disadvantage won't be so huge. This depends on how far and how fast you move, of course.

But it still won't take care of replacing the main utility of double-jumping: changing directions in mid-air.

Scattergun unlock is called Force-A-Nature. Has some knockback mechanism, supporting the from-the-ground high jump and not third jump theory, and seems to be effective from behind. Also, razor blades?

Edited February 21, 2009 by h3gi

[Nket 16]

one of the new maps must be an arena with a timbersaw in it that you can push people into, or you can push them off the cliff in lumberyard

[Mana 3,867]

I sense flying scouts on maps when the update comes out.

I already had this idea. Uncap multi jump. Make it work infinity times.

[Miyari 33]

Egypt is a strange map - good, but not "lol let's make it an offishul map teehee" good. I wonder if they ever took the absurd, slowly-opening stone doors out.

As for the Sandman, I'm getting real tired of the idea of charging an uber for at least a minute straight only to have it rendered completely pointless by some absurd force. Spoiler alert - stopping ubers wins games. A pyro with a working hand and a flamethrower can make defending final CPs on Dustbowl a joke if he spams the air-burst facing the right direction enough, even for some of the best ubers. Now I'm going to be getting air burst, and stunned? Or the ultimate - getting air bursted while stunned? Being stunned has to be one of the most frustrating things in any game. I better be able to dodge that shit. I hope their little bat and ball number requires a bit of standing still.

[Nket 16]

the new scout gun also does an airburst thing and so does the bat. have fun

[PuRe Style 0]

Here's some funny Scout stuff.

Since the Scout is pratically the vince guy from those shamwow commercials.

lol 2nd video, your gonna love my nuts...

[Miyari 33]

the new scout gun also does an airburst thing and so does the bat. have fun

The bat already had that absurd melee collision knockback so I doubt it's anything new or significant. And I don't know about the shotgun but I didn't get an airburst impression.

[Repoman 0]

Lots of people on the TF2 forums think the update is fake and its the spy.

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[+Henry Spencer 117]

Yeah, I was actually reading that thread on my laptop. I think I might resume...

[Nket 16]

from the evidence i see... It is possible that it MAY be the Spy update. OR since it took them forever it may be both the scout and the spy. that would be awesome

[Plasma Waffle 0]

from the evidence i see... It is possible that it MAY be the Spy update. OR since it took them forever it may be both the scout and the spy. that would be awesome

what evidence is there? im banned from steam forums

[LunchBox 10]

Copied from the Steam Forums

Spy sappin my Update!

Please note this is just a conspiracy that my friend Jaesaces mentioned to me while we were discussing the "Scout" Update.

We believe that the "Scout" Update is either a ploy or is hinting that the next update will actually be the spy, and we have evidence!

Case 1: The URL's to the updates themselves. First let us examine the Scout's update link.

http://www.teamfortress.com/scoutupdate/

This seems pretty legit and all, being on the teamfortress site but wait?! Now let us examine the Heavy/Pyro update links

http://steamgames.com/tf2/heavy/

http://steamgames.com/tf2/pyro/

http://steamgames.com/tf2/goldrush/

Notice anything strange? Different site perhaps, it contains tf2 before the name of the class, and it doesn't even say update in the link. Pretty suspicious I would say. Gentlemen?

NOTE: All the sublinks for heavy also redirect to steamgames and not teamfortress

Case 2: Copyright logos.

Sure they are all over the pages in footers and syrup and wherever else but, there is one in particular that caught our eye.

Reference the above Heavy/Pyro update pages. Take notice at the logo at the top, the Team Fortress 2 one. If you look closely between the last S and the 2 you will see a small copyright symbol. Now observe the "Scout update" page.

http://www.teamfortress.com/scoutupdate/

Missing something? Bet your ♥♥♥ it is.

Quote:

Originally Posted by j3w View Post

Here's proof the scout update is fake. Its missing the ® in the Team Fortress 2 logo.

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/522...esearchmy9.jpg

I guess Valve never really was on our side.

Case 3: Details, details, details, it's all about the details.

(I'm not going to keep posting links so just refer back to them)

I'm sure you have all noticed that the pyro update had all the new weapons mapped out, with what exactly they do and what they replace. Same with the heavy update, telling how long the crit on KGB lasts, how Natascha slows down enemies and is slightly weaker than Sasha, it also has the stats right on the picture in the update, come on now.

But what about Scout? We got pretty pictures sure, but no damage readouts, no lasting effects details, nothing. They just give pretty pictures and long winded paragraphs. For example, the energy drink doesn't even say that you run faster, only that you dodge bullets. This WILL be the last time you see them.

Case 4: Leakage and Images

Thought that I would put two.

Valve is pretty well known for not leaking things and keeping them under lock and key, but we already hear about Force-A-Nature? There is even a picture of it on the Energy Drink update. Is that like Valve at all? I don't think so, even like 4 achievements use its name exclusively, and that seems strange.

Now for my least credible piece of evidence. The picture of the Scout in the energy drink update. Most people assumed it was the next game mode and were all waaahmbulance and bored. But what if it is implying something. Two payload carts, one blu, one red? Sounds like an allusion to spy to me. Just saying.

Case 5:

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigred240588 View Post

there was also teh blog post where they first said they were done with l4d and starting teh next class update which was entitled "gentelmen", a spy quote...

http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=1823

Case 6: Contradicting Hypocrites!

Pretty much every update that has been shown for the Scout goes against what Valve has previously stated. The Sandman stuns people yet eliminates the double-jump, whereas Valve has said they doesn't want to decrease mobility in classes.

The energy drink gives the Scout the ability to dodge bullets (read above why I do NOT talk about speed). This would make the Scout superbly overpowered and would also negate its hard counter, the sentry.

Maybe Valve is taking our ideas at face value and showing why they don't want to use them.

Case 7: Map Choices

For one thing, they used two update slots for just maps? By update slots I mean of the six on the main page, two are dedicated solely to maps. Also, two of the maps are by the same person, and none of the maps are created by Valve. It seems strange that they would use entirely user made maps instead of creating their own, as they have usually done. Also, people have complained that the new maps are somewhat boring and/or terrible. (Personally I hate junction, and it doesn't seem to fit with scout update at all.)

Seems a little odd to me.

Case 8: This doesn't belong here

Quote:

Originally Posted by yakuza281 View Post

Umm, maybe a point to add?

From memory (I can't remember the pages and I can't check because the site won't load) but I don't think on any of the update pages (except scout?), the class getting updated was holding an unlockable weapon, but rather an existing weapon...

But remember, this is from memory I can't check it because the sites won't load

It is true enough, if you go to the main page of any of the updates, the Pryo/Heavy is wielding their main weapon, however; the Scout is handling the Sandman?

Thank you very much for your input.

Please remember these are our opinions, and are not proven facts or anything.

Thank you Jaesaces for the great idea and all the facts you found on it. Thanks to Hosain H for his equally wonderful thread analyzing the details of the Scout Updates,

found here http://forums.steampowered.com/forum...d.php?t=806084

[Plasma Waffle 0]

Lol thanks lunchbox

[Repoman 0]

There's a spy sappin my scout.

[Plasma Waffle 0]

I don't believe the spy thing lol