Melissia 7 #151 Posted February 26, 2009 Usually from noobs that have no clue how to spycheck though. There would also be a consensus about demomen, too-- but they'd also be noobs (I for one would hate to see the Demoman gone, I just think he needs to be balanced a bit better). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LunchBox 10 #152 Posted February 26, 2009 Usually from noobs that have no clue how to spycheck though. There would also be a consensus about demomen, too-- but they'd also be noobs (I for one would hate to see the Demoman gone, I just think he needs to be balanced a bit better). Yeah, Spys need to return. It's too easy to snipe without them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Lorax 25 #153 Posted February 26, 2009 Well I think the reason most are happy spy is locked is simply because they aren't getting backstabbed. most people tend to think spies are a 'cheap' kill. Also the spy isn't really central to the balance of the game. With spies locked people are realizing that you don't really need them to be successful at any map. You can really only say that for maybe one other class. So, mostly it just gives people a rest from watching their backs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rydawg 14 #154 Posted February 26, 2009 You could win any map in the game with 7 demo and 7 medic on a team, almost could do it with Heavy/medic. Hell lots times a team wins that has no medics No class is more valuable than the other on a team, its the player. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gringothegamer 0 #155 Posted February 26, 2009 Well I think the reason most are happy spy is locked is simply because they aren't getting backstabbed. most people tend to think spies are a 'cheap' kill. Also the spy isn't really central to the balance of the game. With spies locked people are realizing that you don't really need them to be successful at any map. You can really only say that for maybe one other class. So, mostly it just gives people a rest from watching their backs. By this logic, there are a few classes that aren't really central to the balance of the game. The spy is there to add balance. There are plenty of classes that are easiest to take out with a spy. A medic/heavy combo for one is really hard to take out without a sniper or a spy. Also, without the spy, sentries are really only vulnerable to an uber. Why should there only be one way to do something. Each class has a responsibility that they are better at than other classes as well as responsibilities that they share with other classes. Sure other classes can do the spies job but not as well in some areas. Mainly, the ability to cause havoc amongst engies and other classes. If not for the spy, a pyro would lose a lot of it's use and if there is not threat of spy, there is not need for a pyro to stay around and spy check giving a team one more little bit of offense. Also, the best way to deal with and uber is to kill the medic before he can release it. Who better to do that than a spy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Lorax 25 #156 Posted February 26, 2009 You could win any map in the game with 7 demo and 7 medic on a team, almost could do it with Heavy/medic. Hell lots times a team wins that has no medics No class is more valuable than the other on a team, its the player. What i mean is that this game is like one giant game of rock, paper, scissors. Almost every class has a counter. The spy, although he is supposed to be the engie counter, has never really been the master of SG removal. Demos can take out sgs a hell of a lot easier than a spy can (except if it is a skilled spy) I am not saying they aren't useful, because they most definitely are, but in terms of the class balance, they aren't necessary. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Repoman 0 #157 Posted February 26, 2009 I think the Spy should actually be able to spy on the other team. Tell everyone where they are held up and whatnot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TF2guy 1 #158 Posted February 26, 2009 Every game I've been in sense the spy has been locked, All I've heard is "Thank god the spy is broken". And that goes for regulars and L members a like. Must be everyones a noob(well almost everyone). Personaly I find it hard to call.....spawn, cloak, back stab, die, repeat... skill. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
friedrice 8 #159 Posted February 26, 2009 Every game I've been in sense the spy has been locked, All I've heard is "Thank god the spy is broken". And that goes for regulars and L members a like. Must be everyones a noob(well almost everyone). Personaly I find it hard to call.....spawn, cloak, back stab, die, repeat... skill. For someone who is apparently a self proclaimed professional at being a spy, one would think you could figure out how to set your avatar Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Plasma Waffle 0 #160 Posted February 26, 2009 A good spy can backstab the engineer and place a sapper on the sentry gun fast enough that he won't get hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
korbaton1 0 #161 Posted February 26, 2009 (edited) Back on topic... why are spies enabled on the Arena server but disabled on the 2fort server? As I write this, there are 7 engies in the BLU intel room, each with a lvl3 sentry. Without a spy to offer a distraction, we can't get in, and the BLU turtle has a failproof shell. I've played on other servers, played 2fort on other servers, and it's worked just fine. Maybe I'm missing something, if I am, could someone enlighten me so I don't have to keep explaining myself? EDIT: now there are 3 demos camping the Sniper roost. No spies = constant sticky spam. I know you don't know we exist, but we do, so we'd like a response, or else you'll have people asking for your server funding back. loldoublepost? Edited February 26, 2009 by korbaton1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Henry Spencer 117 #162 Posted February 27, 2009 Every game I've been in sense the spy has been locked, All I've heard is "Thank god the spy is broken". And that goes for regulars and L members a like. Must be everyones a noob(well almost everyone). Personaly I find it hard to call.....spawn, cloak, back stab, die, repeat... skill. Have you ever played with the /A/ guys? Most of them get multiple backstabs WITH ragepyros and ragespies up their asses after a few kills. I'll admit, I've done it myself a few times, just because I got sick of dying as soon as I focused on something else. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Lorax 25 #163 Posted February 27, 2009 Back on topic... why are spies enabled on the Arena server but disabled on the 2fort server? Although someone might know better than myself, I think the issue is not with all servers because the instability is with certain plug ins that are being used on different servers. Also I think I heard something about Mana experimenting with multiple servers to figure out exactly what is causing the issue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
korbaton1 0 #164 Posted February 27, 2009 Although someone might know better than myself, I think the issue is not with all servers because the instability is with certain plug ins that are being used on different servers. Also I think I heard something about Mana experimenting with multiple servers to figure out exactly what is causing the issue. Mana, which servers are the test dummy servers, so that we can know which servers to avoid? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Melissia 7 #165 Posted February 27, 2009 (edited) What i mean is that this game is like one giant game of rock, paper, scissors. Almost every class has a counter. The spy, although he is supposed to be the engie counter, has never really been the master of SG removal. Demos can take out sgs a hell of a lot easier than a spy can (except if it is a skilled spy) I am not saying they aren't useful, because they most definitely are, but in terms of the class balance, they aren't necessary. The spy counters everyone that is in front of her, as long as she is not also in front of them. The spy is the monkey wrench thrown in the enemy's plan. The instant death waiting for them because they weren't watching careful enough. The heavy may be the rock, and so the spy changes into paper, gets up behind his ass, and kills him. Because the spy defies the "rock paper scissors" mentality some other classes have. Edited February 27, 2009 by Melissia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Henry Spencer 117 #166 Posted February 27, 2009 The spy counters everyone that is in front of her, as long as she is not also in front of them. The spy is the monkey wrench thrown in the enemy's plan. The instant death waiting for them because they weren't watching careful enough.The heavy may be the rock, and so the spy changes into paper, gets up behind his ass, and kills him. Because the spy defies the "rock paper scissors" mentality some other classes have. Her? Pretty sure the Spy is male... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nket 16 #167 Posted February 27, 2009 she is talking about herself in the third person, durrr Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Lorax 25 #168 Posted February 27, 2009 The spy counters everyone that is in front of her, as long as she is not also in front of them. The spy is the monkey wrench thrown in the enemy's plan. The instant death waiting for them because they weren't watching careful enough.The heavy may be the rock, and so the spy changes into paper, gets up behind his ass, and kills him. Because the spy defies the "rock paper scissors" mentality some other classes have. Don't think I've ever seen anyone romanticize their favorite class in quite that way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
friedrice 8 #169 Posted February 27, 2009 The spy counters everyone that is in front of her, as long as she is not also in front of them. The spy is the monkey wrench thrown in the enemy's plan. The instant death waiting for them because they weren't watching careful enough.The heavy may be the rock, and so the spy changes into paper, gets up behind his ass, and kills him. Because the spy defies the "rock paper scissors" mentality some other classes have. The spy is a "he". The voice is clearly male Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LunchBox 10 #170 Posted February 27, 2009 The spy is a "he". The voice is clearly male You don't know what's under the mask! She uses a voice changer for security purposes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Melissia 7 #171 Posted February 27, 2009 she is talking about herself in the third person, durrr Hey look, we have a winner! So nket, how does it feel to be apparently the most intelligent person in this thread aside from myself? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kuttlewug 28 #172 Posted February 27, 2009 I really hate scout even more then before (I didn't know it was possible) Half the teams on the servers I was on more then half of the people were scouts and baseballs flying everywhere. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Repoman 0 #173 Posted February 27, 2009 I find it funny. I chuckle all the time. xD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Henry Spencer 117 #174 Posted February 27, 2009 Hey look, we have a winner! So nket, how does it feel to be apparently the most intelligent person in this thread aside from myself? No, more like, I do not care if you are female. The Spy as a character is a male. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nket 16 #175 Posted February 27, 2009 Hey look, we have a winner! So nket, how does it feel to be apparently the most intelligent person in this thread aside from myself? It's more of I notice you do it all the time, durr Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
