Ban Request - Yousuck

[KillerKeg 10]

What the fuck?

I didn't read this thread because it is irrelevant. Banning yousuck because he makes people rage is ridiculous. Hell just tonight I made the entire server on Stack 1 hate me (ask Spartan). Not like I give a shit but if making people who suck more at this game than me get angry is a reason to ban then shit, I should have been banned a year ago. I mean, I know everyone loves me, but I can sense some sort of sick, deranged hidden rage against me by some disturbed individuals because I have more skill than them. Of course they blame it on having a medic but no one listens to that bullshit because if they didn't suck cock they would have a medic for themselves (see how much I care about you and your complaints). Talk about circular logic. They are angry and can't think logically. Not my fault I'm better than them all at TF2, but I don't blame them, I barely have time for the game with things going on IRL. I would make up bullshit excuses if I got raped by someone as good as me, especially if I have never left mom's basement and got owned by some guy who has a life and is awesome. I would be screaming at the monitor all day, because TF2 is my whole life. I mean I totally care what happens on the internet.

So in closing I would just like to say, they all suck, and go ahead and ragequit because I don't care about you and no one else does.

Wait what's this thread about? Oh yeah, yousuck should be unbanned. Just because noobs get offended is no reason for someone to get banned.

[EagleEye 20]

Well... since you are so fond of facts and proof - explain to me why almost NO ONE wants to play with you

Now now dave... you accuse him of using a strawman logical fallacy, and yet you resort to hyperbole?

You can't honestly say that NO ONE wants to play with him... 99% sure... ALMOST all, yeah... but not "no one".

Had to bring you down to earth there before Suckboy picked that one little part to nitpick while ignoring the rest.

I'm glad your spelling was correct all the way through too, otherwise you would have given him other stuff to nitpick.

[You suck and have no life 203]

Well... since you are so fond of facts and proof - explain to me why almost NO ONE wants to play with you - ON YOUR TEAM - despite the fact that you are a top 10 player on the server? Why is it that we often see 4 or 5 people in spec with a lopsided team balance because they would rather wait than play on your team? Why is it that when people DO change teams away from you, the first thing they say is how glad they are to be away from your insults and rambling? Explain to me why people simply leave the server when they get the message you are coming in - with the parting comment that they are leaving because of you?

All 90% of the medics on dustbowl are on my flist. They also happen to be the top players.

*flip

*celes

*whiterhino

*teli

*lyse242

*neolyse

*najeroni

How do you think I beat you in the demo? You had 10 stacked ae members. One PM and two of my top medics joined (najeroni and teli) specifically came to help me out. Do you realize, you lost on stage 3 of dustbowl (defensive demo spam fest). How in the world did you let me get 80 points on round 3 while you were on defense is beyond my comprehension. Anybody can post a single screenshot of their best performances, 1 screenshot does not represent anything. I have screen shots of me getting 80-0 but that doesn't prove anything other than I am decent. You arent bad Dave, you're just bad for how much you talk. The only decent player on your team is

People are in spectate because they want to join the winning team. Not because they are running away from me. Its just a mic buddy. Its just a sound wave. Any body can mute me and I talk FAR less than you.

This thread is the first demo I have seen of me in it. I have never tried to be your friend (Eagle Eye and Dave). I only get mad when I have to hear Daves voice every 5 seconds. Its funny Dave was at a conference in LA and offered to drive 1 hour to my city to hang out with me, which I thought was extremely creepy.

[EagleEye 20]

What the fuck?

I didn't read this thread because it is irrelevant.

And, as Yoda said, "that is why you fail".

Had you read the thread you'd know the ban wasn't because of him causing people to rage, it was because of abuse of donation privs.

We have no problem with him being a good player. It's actually nice to be challenged by him, if I do say so myself. I *LIKE* beating him, because he's hard to beat!

This has absolutely NOTHING to do with his skill as a player. It has to do with his apparent lack of skill as a PERSON, to other PEOPLE. That and the fact that he was initiating votemutes on Dave every 60 seconds... spamming the server with it, and griefing... all in direct violation of the rules.

Its funny Dave was at a conference in LA and offered to drive 1 hour to my city to hang out with me, which I thought was extremely creepy.

No... I believe the reason he would have driven that 1 hour to see you is to see if you're as much of a "big tough man" in person, as you are over the internet...

But again you misrepresent things... all he ever said was that he would be an hour away from you and that he COULD easily drive to where you live... for what purpose, whether friendly or nefarious, was never said, to my knowledge.

[You suck and have no life 203]

Why is it that we often see 4 or 5 people in spec with a lopsided team balance because they would rather wait than play on your team? Why is it that when people DO change teams away from you

Amusing

All of your clan mates are on my team. Sgt Poop-a-lot (aka my friend, aka skilled player)is in spectate waiting to join MY team. Sub zero (aka my friend, aka skilled player) waiting to join MY team.

Here is you and your brother, both on my team. I was here first, you guys didn't seem very eager to switch teams.

Again

And Again (including every SINGLE one of your clan mates; allisa, coke, GJoob)

Seems like nobody wants to be on your team this time. Including your own team mates, you lying sack of shit.

Last pic. Nobody ever spectates to go to the other team. Funny thing is, I didnt even look hard for these screen shots. Its like the first 20 I saw. You are the reason I'm banned because you instigated a vote mute after joining MY TEAM. Within the first second of joining, you started yappin your mouth and you vote mute me for calling you annoying? FYI, people talk shit about you behind your back ALL THE TIME.

Slayer, the 2nd best player on the server ( http://www.gametracker.com/server_info/65.60.32.29:27015/top_players/ )

Hes default is Heavy. But why is he playing a medic? And who do you think he is healing / talking to?

If funny how you are such a blatant liar.

Edited July 7, 2009 by YouSuckAndYouHaveNoLife

[EagleEye 20]

Amazing how you just pick one thing to comment on, that you know you can use to obfuscate the issue, while completely ignoring the meat of what was said.

You seem to have no concept of a tertiary point, used to support other assertions, but by which none of those assertions relies upon to be considered valid.

Then, in your rebuttal, you not only nitpick the use of screenshots to prove any point, you then resort to the very same tactic you just decried as invalid in support of your rebuttal.

Fascinating.

[You suck and have no life 203]

What the fuck?

I didn't read this thread because it is irrelevant. Banning yousuck because he makes people rage is ridiculous. Hell just tonight I made the entire server on Stack 1 hate me (ask Spartan). Not like I give a shit but if making people who suck more at this game than me get angry is a reason to ban then shit, I should have been banned a year ago. I mean, I know everyone loves me, but I can sense some sort of sick, deranged hidden rage against me by some disturbed individuals because I have more skill than them. Of course they blame it on having a medic but no one listens to that bullshit because if they didn't suck cock they would have a medic for themselves (see how much I care about you and your complaints). Talk about circular logic. They are angry and can't think logically. Not my fault I'm better than them all at TF2, but I don't blame them, I barely have time for the game with things going on IRL. I would make up bullshit excuses if I got raped by someone as good as me, especially if I have never left mom's basement and got owned by some guy who has a life and is awesome. I would be screaming at the monitor all day, because TF2 is my whole life. I mean I totally care what happens on the internet.

So in closing I would just like to say, they all suck, and go ahead and ragequit because I don't care about you and no one else does.

Wait what's this thread about? Oh yeah, yousuck should be unbanned. Just because noobs get offended is no reason for someone to get banned.

Oh whats that? One of the best TF2 players on the server, and a medical student agrees with me? Whoa...

Dave and Eagle. Just give up. Those screen shots aren't cherry picked. They are the first 20 pictures I have looked at. I have yet to see a single screenshot of my team having more than 3 players less than the other team. The bottom line is, regardless of what people say, they always want to be on my team. Its the simple fact that people inherently want to win, and I am a good team player. This is not an attempt to brag, this is simply calling you out for lying (refer to original quote). I will gladly zip all 300+ screenshots if you want. Here is a challenge, post 1 screenshot of players spectating to join the other team, and Ill post 3 where everyone wants to join my team.

The sad thing is, you both have attempted to change to the other team in attempt to defeat me, but it almost never happens. Your new strategy is to join my team, vote mute me so I cant talk to my medic, and force me to join a the newb team. I still find it funny that in the demo, I defeated you with the worst team ever, and thanks to FunkyFresh for capturing it.

Edited July 7, 2009 by YouSuckAndYouHaveNoLife

[EagleEye 20]

Oh whats that? One of the best TF2 players on the server, and a medical student agrees with me? Whoa...

Hahaha, what is it with you referencing people's education to prop up their opinions?

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-authority.html

Seriously, READ THAT... you're so fond of posting links to back up your assertions... there's one in return.

Dave and Eagle. Just give up. Those screen shots aren't cherry picked. They are the first 20 pictures I have looked at. I have yet to see a single screenshot of my team having more than 3 players less than the other team. The bottom line is, regardless of what people say, they always want to be on my team. Its the simple fact that people inherently want to win, and I am a good team player. I will gladly zip all 300+ screenshots if you want.

You really ARE a retard, aren't you?

The screenshot thing is not at all the argument... and yet you have conveniently attempted to shift the argument to MERELY THAT, and stand on it as your definitive proof that we're wrong while ignoring everything else that's been said.

Again I will state, for those not keeping track...

1) Dave uses a single screen shot to illustrate a point.

2) You decry his use of a screen shot as being irrelevant

3) You then post your own screenshots showing how he's wrong, not seeming to understand how you are contradicting yourself.

4) You ignore the rest of what he said, making the single point of people spectating so they won't have to be on your team the ONLY thing you are arguing against.

Dave made a fallacious argument using that screenshot... and you are making a fallacious rebuttal.

- Generally after a round is over (I could only see one of your screenshots, the first one, because the others wouldn't load, and I noted the time was 0:00), I will open console and just type "quit" rather quickly... win or lose (and it's "win" most of the time), because I'm done playing. Much of the team discrepancies could be due to such behavior en masse... We've all seen it before... either rage quitting, or people quitting before the game locks us in to a load cycle that we can't cancel out of (happens quite often).

- You are asking us to take your word that these are all of your screen shots representing all of your games. This is no way to validate the veracity of your statement... thus, it must be discarded as irrelevant.

The sad thing is, you both have attempted to change to the other team in attempt to defeat me, but it almost never happens. Your new strategy is to join my team, vote mute me so I cant talk to my medic, and force me to join a the newb team. I still find it funny that in the demo, I defeated you with the worst team ever, and thanks to FunkyFresh for capturing it.

And... your point is?

1) I change teams to be WITH my friends... not really to get away from you. Unlike most, I don't let you get to me, and rather enjoy listening to you make an ass of yourself... it's SO EASY to make innocuous comments, KNOWING that you'll jump on them with your inane responses. It's actually quite amusing to have little mini conversations while dead, so you can't hear, about how we're going to bait you to make MORE stupid statements. Half the fun of playing with you is winning, and the other half is seeing how EASY it is to bait you in to saying stupid things that make us laugh to each other in Friends chat.

2) You have no idea what our strategy is... and I think perhaps you're seeing goblins and ghosts where there are none. You're paranoid, man... we don't join your team to votemute you. I don't know if you'll believe me, but we in ae have pretty much decided to NOT votemute you, lest you feel persecuted by us. Captain Ron and Pissed Walrus actually caution us to take it easy and not BE like you in our attempts to squelch you... Instead, we just let the rest of the team do it for the most part.

That is... unless you're just obviously going overboard and need to be shut up... what's funny is, it usually only takes one votemute, and you get 75% of the server agreeing... if it fails on the first attempt, and it's obvious the rest of the team doesn't agree you should be muted, we just kinda shrug, sigh, and let it go.

You see, that's because we're actually this very difficult thing to become... we're MATURE. I know it's a difficult concept for you to grasp... maybe instead of flaunting your degree, and always trying to prove you're right, you could try to learn from not only your negative experiences damn near EVERYWHERE ELSE YOU FREQUENT on the net, you could try to see how other people treat each other and behave in civilized society, and attempt to emulate them.

Edited to add:

Seriously dude, what's with the rather homoerotic image in your sig? Seriously, do you like looking at overly-muscled dark-skinned men prancing around like a pansy? I mean, if you swing that way that's all wonderful and everything... to each his own... but could you at least keep pics like that private in your stash of gay porn, instead of using it as a forum sig?

PPS: Keg didn't even read the thread by his own admission, so he didn't understand WHY you got banned, and thus his opinion that you should be unbanned is pretty much irrelevant.

Edited July 7, 2009 by EagleEye

[You suck and have no life 203]

I gave you guys a chance, at this point, I really have to say TL;DR. Some of us have jobs where other people's lives depend on the quality of our products.

Every time the two of you write, its 1000 pages articles (you guys must be bored in Nebraska, trust me, I have lived there for 2 years, its boring as fuck). You both talk proportionally as much as you write on this forum. Nobody has the attention span to hear you talk non stop in the game. You guys are annoying man. Even your clan mates would rather play on my team. Id rather hear someone spend 2 seconds to cuz me out hardcore, than to hear a steaming sound of your brother's Homer Simpson voice ramble non stop for hours.

toodles, good night.

Have fun getting pissed of at stats:

http://www.gametracker.com/server_info/65.60.32.29:27015/top_players/

Dave: 135 hours; 7000 points; 0.96 points/min

Yousuck: 132 hours; 13000 points; 1.64 points/min

(thats a whopping 70% more kills, caps, assists, dominations per minute than you)

[+Henry Spencer 117]

I don't understand why you guys are still arguing. He's gone for good, so who gives a shit what his stats are?

[-Mermaid Balls-limp_cheese 0]

If i could throw my opinion in as a regular on the Dustbowl server, i say he should be unbanned. For the most part, he is a good player, and from when i played with him, rarely goes on rants. We usually just have fun playing, regardless of our teams. Think the server would be alot better if people stopped taking stuff like this so personnaly.

[EagleEye 20]

I don't understand why you guys are still arguing. He's gone for good, so who gives a shit what his stats are?

Hehehe, I was just baiting him again to get him to waste more time on this, and provide us with more of this priceless entertainment.

I love deconstructing people like this, as well as their arguments.

And for us it was never about his stats... he's the one fixating on stats, while we're trying to be a TAD more grounded in the realities of life as social creatures, and tell him that his stats mean jack squat; it was his personality and lack of social skills that got him in to this mess.

[You suck and have no life 203]

Hehehe, I was just baiting him again to get him to waste more time on this, and provide us with more of this priceless entertainment.

I love deconstructing people like this, as well as their arguments.

And for us it was never about his stats... he's the one fixating on stats, while we're trying to be a TAD more grounded in the realities of life as social creatures, and tell him that his stats mean jack squat; it was his personality and lack of social skills that got him in to this mess.

You sure showed me with your baiting! Fully grown man with wife and kids, writing a 10 page thread at 4 am in the morning.

Stats dont mean EVERYTHING, but it sure is fun way to piss of a newb who thinks hes good. Can you teach me some of your social skills? What is the internet site where you found your wife? Hook it up bro. Did you woo her with your 10 page essays?

Edited July 7, 2009 by YouSuckAndYouHaveNoLife

[EagleEye 20]

You sure showed me with your baiting! Fully grown man with wife and kids, writing a 10 page thread at 4 am in the morning.

Stats dont mean EVERYTHING, but it sure is fun way to piss of a newb who thinks hes good. Can you teach me some of your social skills? What is the internet site where you found your wife? Hook it up bro. Did you woo her with your 10 page essays?

Annnnnnd with this, I declare victory.

Verily a winner is me!

[The Lorax 25]

This thread is still going?

[Victoreem the V of doom 30]

I'll share my melon with you yousuck

next one who posts is a trany

[SogaCal 22]

I've noticed that if you look at Dave's scores, you will see that he has a lot less than a 2:1 k/d ratio. However if you look at Yousuck's he has better than a 2:1 k/d ratio most of the time.

Edit: I CANT HELP IT IF GOD MADE ME WRONG!

[Game AI Dev (Dave) 17]

I've noticed that if you look at Dave's scores, you will see that he has a lot less than a 2:1 k/d ratio. However if you look at Yousuck's he has better than a 2:1 k/d ratio most of the time.

Edit: I CANT HELP IT IF GOD MADE ME WRONG!

I'm trying to figure out why you bothered to post this? While I accept that Suckboy is never going to quit trying to use his stats as a distraction from his real problem, why would this be relevant for the rest of us? I have NEVER said that I was better than him. In fact, he is an excellent player. I have never claimed to have a >2:1 k/d on a regular basis. I usually hit about 1.5:1 k/d and about a 2.5/1 points/deaths (a lot of destructions and blocked captures). Suckboy owns me as a TF2 player. (Just for good measure, he probably owns me at weightlifting, cycling, and chemical engineering. I needed to mention that lest he get his panties in a wad again.)

Be that as it may, this thread is about his ban. His ban is not about being a bad player... or even being a good player. His ban is because he is a social cancer that ruins the environment for the people he is with. It's the same reason he has been banned from the other forums that I listed above. His sole goal (or effect, anyway) is to destroy others verbally. The Lotus world finally got tired of it (except for those of you whom he recruited into posting in his defense).

The bottom line is, he wins in the realm of TF2 but fails in the realm of people. It's not a surprise to him. He's probably well aware of the wake he leaves behind him and either doesn't care or has found himself incapable of stopping. Either way, I'm sure that he will find somewhere else to terrorize - and subsequently get banned from.

[You suck and have no life 203]

In fact, he is an excellent player. I have never claimed to have a >2:1 k/d on a regular basis. I usually hit about 1.5:1 k/d and about a 2.5/1 points/deaths (a lot of destructions and blocked captures). Suckboy owns me as a TF2 player. (Just for good measure, he probably owns me at weightlifting, cycling, and chemical engineering.

He finally gets it. Maybe some day he will realize I have cooler TF2 friends as well.

[SogaCal 22]

But to confirm, I am still better than you with my points and k/d? Yes?

*Note: I've played against ae before, with mine. I just can't say the name because we're supposed to be classy when we steamroll noobs.

Yours forever,

Celes

[LunchBox 10]

It seems that every time I go on a trip, something happens.

Though, I have to agree with Keg on this, I've personally never had any problems with Yousuck, he's just brutally honest. If you're doing something wrong, he'll call you out on it.

[Angry Mugi 23]

I thought this thread was originally locked. Why hasn't it been locked after the ban has been implemented? I figured that it would since it seemed so obvious that there was going to be a flame later on if it was open.

Regardless, I will say that there has been certain instances where you switched toward our side for some odd reason. And there has been certain instances where I joined your team since I wanted to play against the rest of the AE clan--that or I became impatient and decided to play on your side instead of being in spec for a good half-an hour to join my buds again. I can imagine that my comrades felt the same way from those screenshots Take either of these statements with a grain of salt, since I can't prove either of these. These are my sole observations and experiences.

I'll say it again, I have nothing against "You Suck and You Have No Life;" I learned to deal with egotistical individuals in the past and that's to ignore them and move on. I've done so already when it comes to "You Suck..." before this ban was initiated and I'll continue to do so afterward. There was nothing lost and gained from his banned except for a few bruised egos. There are better players than "You Suck...," and it's pretty evident since his departure (after all he isn't taking all of the glory now).

Trash-talking is a part of the game and I see what KillerKeg is coming from. There's nothing you can do to combat a character with better skills and a very big mouth (I often hope that karma will somehow balance this out in the end). You can either walk away from it or continue to get pounded (tempered) to the ground until your skills is comparable to them--it will happen in time. I can't say that either party is innocent, since both parties have goaded each other at one time or another; that's a fairly obvious observation from the past two pages. Has "You Suck..." trash-talked to us? No doubt. Have we, myself included, provoked "You Suck..." to interact with us? You bet! What I can't stand from "You Suck...'s" behavior, hence my motivate to vote against him, is that he takes advantages of certain perks attributed to him from donating or, more importantly, being a member of the clan's server. I haven't "whined" about it now, since there wasn't an opportunity to voice my opinion about it without someone replying back to me, "...suck my eggs you pussy! If you can't stand the heat, then get out of the kitchen 'n00b'." So I didn't bothered with it and moved on, as I said before in my previous post."

I dunno what else to say but to try to move on--for either parties (ban or unban).

[Miyari 33]

This just in: having a higher KDR than another player may not make you any less of a douche.

Can this thread just shut the fuck up and die already?

[insert smartass meme image here]

[You suck and have no life 203]

This just in: having a higher KDR than another player may not make you any less of a douche.

Can this thread just shut the fuck up and die already?

[insert smartass meme image here]

Thats true, but being a douche with low KDR, thats just lame.

[SogaCal 22]

This just in: having a higher KDR than another player may not make you any less of a douche.

Can this thread just shut the fuck up and die already?

[insert smartass meme image here]

Having watched you play myself, and watched him play. The only difference is that he's a bit more vocal with people when they are doing poorly. I've seen and heard you bitch people out in game to an extraordinary amount. I'm not saying that I don't like you, not even saying that I disapprove of your bitching at people. Just don't be such a hypocrite, you can't point a finger at someone while calling them a douche. It just makes no sense, and has no class.

Also, no one loves /b/tards. Grow up.