Over 600 game creators call for an end to "Hateful, Harassing Speech"

[Ruby 9,039]

Article on Kotaku

The open letter has been signed by hundreds of game developers, from Sony, EA, Ubisoft, Blizzard, Microsoft, indies and more.

The letter reads:

We believe that everyone, no matter what gender, sexual orientation, ethnicity, or religion has the right to play games, criticize games and make games without getting harassed or threatened. It is the diversity of our community that allows games to flourish.

If you see threats of violence or harm in comments on Steam, YouTube, Twitch, Twitter, Facebook or reddit, please take a minute to report them on the respective sites.

If you see hateful, harassing speech, take a public stand against it and make the gaming community a more enjoyable space to be in.

Discuss.

[Se7en 10,762]

It's the Internet, what did they expect.

[No longer a Sexy King:^) 5,592]

Haha.

[- Mike - 2,728]

Kotaku is shit and so is gaming journalism

[D-Bee 3,448]

[+Skaila 5,462]

Tell that to the people with Youtube accounts whose reviews were closed because the developers didn't agree with their opinion.

 

Then again.... it *is* the internet. Welcome to both the shittiest and happiest place on earth >>

[Domino 3,168]

There's a world of difference between telling me to get back to the kitchen and a prolonged and relentless tirade of rape/death threats and sexist comments.

Where is the line drawn between banter and abuse? Everyone has a different skin thickness. I sometimes cross that line, we all do. We learn what people can and can't take. I personally respond badly to people talking about my weight and my glasses for example. I've learnt other people in lotus respond badly to other areas.

I think on the whole the average decent human being upon discovering they hurt someone's feelings would apologise and attempt to a reasonably high degree to not do it again to someone. Learning is how we grow and mistakes are made.

Unfortunately there are other humans out there who are malicious and cruel. That's why block buttons and bans are made. Each community and group online have admins responsible for removing people who intentional inflict repeated emotional harm to someone, no different to the police doing the same for someone offline.

Tldr: some people need thicker skins and others need to stop being a massive %~#%

[Canti 386]

 

 

We believe that everyone, no matter what gender, sexual orientation, ethnicity, or religion has the right to play games, criticize games and make games without getting harassed or threatened. It is the diversity of our community that allows games to flourish.

 

I think I may just be far too set in my ways, but I really don't understand what's going on lately.

 

Minority groups and feminists complaining about exclusion or misrepresentation in video games, followed by psychopaths sending death threats in response. How do either of these sides affect me? This is just the tiniest fraction of people being very noisy.

[+Dr. Obvious 14,606]

*peeks in*

*rolls eyes*

"Same shit, different source."

*strolls out*

[AIex 1,292]

phil fish save us plox

[+Dr. Obvious 14,606]

[Ruby 9,039]

Fez creator is a bit of a douchebag, but he is being kinda right here, at least from his POV - http://kotaku.com/twitter-blowup-leads-to-sudden-cancellation-of-fez-ii-934548588

[AIex 1,292]

that man is a saint amongst commoners

[Se7en 10,762]

Fez creator is a bit of a douchebag, but he is being kinda right here, at least from his POV - http://kotaku.com/twitter-blowup-leads-to-sudden-cancellation-of-fez-ii-934548588

Eats poop at least 3 meals a day. Confirmed.

[fever 9,884]

Yawn, like...what is to discuss?

[Senor 280]

Does this have something to do with Zoe Quinn ? Not every game developer is an innocent person. Zoe Quinn did tell lots of shit to get her game on Steam (Depression Quest) which is just a text game ! (Wow, back to the old school) and then made up a story about internet getting her phone number and harassing her. Kobra Studio (the creator of the biggest sh*t you will ever see on steam, Island Light) threatened Jim Sterling for his bad review of Island Light. Innocent ? I don't think so. Developer of Air Control and Day One: Garrys Incident tried to pull the same sh*t. All of those devs deserve humiliation for their behaviour.

 

More about the Quinnspiracy: http://imgur.com/a/4VOcx

Jim Sterling about corrupt Indie Devs:

Edited September 2, 2014 by Señor

[ultr@BUNNY 8,565]

[Canti 386]

Does this have something to do with Zoe Quinn ?

 

The one I keep hearing about most often in this issue is this channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/feministfrequency

[Ruby 9,039]

Does this have something to do with Zoe Quinn ? Not every game developer is an innocent person. Zoe Quinn did tell lots of shit to get her game on Steam (Depression Quest) which is just a text game ! (Wow, back to the old school) and then made up a story about internet getting her phone number and harassing her. Kobra Studio (the creator of the biggest sh*t you will ever see on steam, Island Light) threatened Jim Sterling for his bad review of Island Light. Innocent ? I don't think so. Developer of Air Control and Day One: Garrys Incident tried to pull the same sh*t. All of those devs deserve humiliation for their behaviour.

 

More about the Quinnspiracy: http://imgur.com/a/4VOcx

Jim Sterling about corrupt Indie Devs:

I haven't heard much about the Zoe incident (except Kotaku writing a post about her not sleeping with anyone for the review, but for the dick, or that might have been someone else). But I've learned to ignore sjws and their "hurr durr" extremist rage because generally speaking, much like all extremists, 9 times out of 10 they're making shit up, and that one time that their words have some truth in them, they're generally greatly exaggerated.

Either way, it depends what game devs believe is "hateful, harassing speech". Surely this is good PR, but beyond that, does "I think Depression Quest is a shit game" (mentioning that game simply because of your comment) constitute as a 'hateful, harassing speech' or fair criticism? Surely saying something like "<insert name here> can go choke on a bag of dicks" is definitely a hateful comment, but as is evident from the imgur gallery you linked, hate goes both ways, and the more popular end usually gets their way.

Yawn, like...what is to discuss?

>18 replies in 12 hours

>what is there to discuss

Apparently this topic is interesting for some people and I want to encourage discussion on these forums - if you have topics you consider more interesting noone is stopping you from posting instead of being so dismissive

[+Dr. Obvious 14,606]

>18 replies in 12 hours

>what is there to discuss

Apparently this topic is interesting for some people and I want to encourage discussion on these forums - if you have topics you consider more interesting noone is stopping you from posting instead of being so dismissive

I'm sorry to interupt you here, but you are aware that this is the lotus forums where every thread gets spammed and derailed?

Also, half of these 18 posts were, mildly put, not really to the topic...

[Ruby 9,039]

I'm sorry to interupt you here, but you are aware that this is the lotus forums where every thread gets spammed and derailed?

Also, half of these 18 posts were, mildly put, not really to the topic...

Up until now, this hasn't been derailed, and a great majority of those posts were on topic (I'm sure you can scroll up instead of me linking them to you ) Either way, I'm posting threads for people to discuss, and if they don't want to, I'm okay with it, but that's also not a reason to be condescending about it and post bullshit

Either way, I'd be thankful if we could get back to topic and take this part to Lotus Direct or PMs. If anyone else feels like it after this interruption.

[No longer a Sexy King:^) 5,592]

The passive aggressiveness is real yo.

 

 

 

As long as the Internet remains a paradise for anons which can do whatever the fuck they want without consequences.... well, things like this will keep happening wether you want it or not.

[Domino 3,168]

The passive aggressiveness is real yo.

 

Agreed. Ironic really... people being dicks on the internet in a topic about protests against people being dicks on the internet...

 

As the age old saying goes... if you aint got anything nice to say, don't say anything. Yes fine we are all entitled to your opinions but yes, we get it, there are 4-5 people in this clan who hate each others fucking guts... but really, we are all adults, grow up and stop this constant tirade of bullshit. It's fast becoming 50% of the topics become a god damn fucking shit stiring, back stabbing set of BS. I, along with a huge % of people are fucking sick of it. so cut it out. 

 

I'm going to reiterate this again - you know who you are, just fucking stop - it's not even remotely interesting or amusing anymore, it's childish, pathetic, and quite honestly embarrassing to read.  You're adults, act like it. 

[Se7en 10,762]

The passive aggressiveness is real yo.

 

 

 

As long as the Internet remains a paradise for anons which can do whatever the fuck they want without consequences.... well, things like this will keep happening wether you want it or not.

 

 

 

I actually gave this some thought (did you see the smoke?) and I think it basically boils down to that; relative anonymity transforms people (or rather gives them enough confidence to be themselves and not act up) I'm thinking the KKK weren't wearing those trademark capirote as a fashion statement.

Edited September 2, 2014 by BigBadWoulf

[Domino 3,168]

I actually gave this some thought (did you see the smoke?) and I think it basically boils down to that; relative anonymity transforms people (or rather gives them enough confidence to be themselves and not act up) I'm thinking the KKK weren't wearing those trademark capirote as a fashion statement.

 

That is a serious apt comparison. This is why I like iSeries, Everyones nice as fucking pie at lan, cos all the shitfaced trolling fuckers are scared they're gunna get punched in the fact if they chat shit in person.